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How many holes are there in a 'normal' drinking straw?
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All holes are infinite until they stop?0
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If a man is talking in a forest and there is no woman there to hear him - is he still wrong?Dave Rudd said:
A quite different metaphysical concept ... one makes a positive sound, the other is the absence of sound. And therein lies the conundrum ... the detection of what is missing.man_at_milletts said:Dave Rudd said:Was the previous thread in vain?
Next thing we'll be asking is 'Can you hear a clock stop?'.or a pin drop!
As a chemist I was always intrigued by the old school identification test for Nitrogen. When all the other tests for gases are found to be negative, you can conclude that you have Nitrogen. Much easier these days with spectroscopic/instrumental methods, but our forefathers were happy to rely on the detection of absence.
You might want to read up on the music of the spheres. People like Pythagorus and Johannes Kepler firmly believed in an inaudible music generated by the celestial bodies.
Indetectable ... unless it stops, of course. And then we'd all go quite mad.5 -
What about an abnormal straw? Why are these not considered?0
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If a consultancy invoice is emailed to me, but I never open it, does it really exist ?Dave Rudd said:
First one comes free.eastterrace6168 said:Dave Rudd said:
A quite different metaphysical concept ... one makes a positive sound, the other is the absence of sound. And therein lies the conundrum ... the detection of what is missing.man_at_milletts said:Dave Rudd said:Was the previous thread in vain?
Next thing we'll be asking is 'Can you hear a clock stop?'.or a pin drop!
As a chemist I was always intrigued by the old school identification test for Nitrogen. When all the other tests for gases are found to be negative, you can conclude that you have Nitrogen. Much easier these days with spectroscopic/instrumental methods, but our forefathers were happy to rely on the detection of absence.
You might want to read up on the music of the spheres. People like Pythagorus and Johannes Kepler firmly believed in an inaudible music generated by the celestial bodies.
Indetectable ... unless it stops, of course. And then we'd all go quite mad.
So endeth the first lesson...
It's consultancy rates after that.1 -
Abnormal straws are vanishingly rare. Focusing on them turns the whole issue into a freak show.thai malaysia addick said:What about an abnormal straw? Why are these not considered?1 -
Typical. Avoiding the difficult questions.SantaClaus said:
Abnormal straws are vanishingly rare. Focusing on them turns the whole issue into a freak show.thai malaysia addick said:What about an abnormal straw? Why are these not considered?1 -
If a tree falls over in an empty forest, does it make a sound?0
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Thought the answer to everything was 42?1
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Sadly, yes ... when the 'Total due on receipt' clause kicks in.MrOneLung said:
If a consultancy invoice is emailed to me, but I never open it, does it really exist ?Dave Rudd said:
First one comes free.eastterrace6168 said:Dave Rudd said:
A quite different metaphysical concept ... one makes a positive sound, the other is the absence of sound. And therein lies the conundrum ... the detection of what is missing.man_at_milletts said:Dave Rudd said:Was the previous thread in vain?
Next thing we'll be asking is 'Can you hear a clock stop?'.or a pin drop!
As a chemist I was always intrigued by the old school identification test for Nitrogen. When all the other tests for gases are found to be negative, you can conclude that you have Nitrogen. Much easier these days with spectroscopic/instrumental methods, but our forefathers were happy to rely on the detection of absence.
You might want to read up on the music of the spheres. People like Pythagorus and Johannes Kepler firmly believed in an inaudible music generated by the celestial bodies.
Indetectable ... unless it stops, of course. And then we'd all go quite mad.
So endeth the first lesson...
It's consultancy rates after that.
Nice try.0 - Sponsored links:
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Same number of holes as our defence.1
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This is classic, but quite easy to answer.SporadicAddick said:If a tree falls over in an empty forest, does it make a sound?
All human experience shows that, when a tree falls over, it will make a sound. There are no recorded situations in the dendrodeclination literature which show a tree falling and making no sound.
Therefore, the strong probability is that tree-falling incorporates a degree of audible output.
More interesting is to ask why a falling tree needs to make a sound. What purpose would it serve?
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Dave Rudd said:
This is classic, but quite easy to answer.SporadicAddick said:If a tree falls over in an empty forest, does it make a sound?
All human experience shows that, when a tree falls over, it will make a sound. There are no recorded situations in the dendrodeclination literature which show a tree falling and making no sound.
Therefore, the strong probability is that tree-falling incorporates a degree of audible output.
More interesting is to ask why a falling tree needs to make a sound. What purpose would it serve?
Take it @SporadicAddick is now due an online consultancy invoice for that.. 0 -
Sound is caused by vibrations in the air pressure reaching a sensor - in our case our ears. If there are no receptors within a distance from where the tree falls to where those changes in air pressure dissipate then it will not make a sound.Dave Rudd said:
This is classic, but quite easy to answer.SporadicAddick said:If a tree falls over in an empty forest, does it make a sound?
All human experience shows that, when a tree falls over, it will make a sound. There are no recorded situations in the dendrodeclination literature which show a tree falling and making no sound.
Therefore, the strong probability is that tree-falling incorporates a degree of audible output.
More interesting is to ask why a falling tree needs to make a sound. What purpose would it serve?3 -
Already sent....eastterrace6168 said:Dave Rudd said:
This is classic, but quite easy to answer.SporadicAddick said:If a tree falls over in an empty forest, does it make a sound?
All human experience shows that, when a tree falls over, it will make a sound. There are no recorded situations in the dendrodeclination literature which show a tree falling and making no sound.
Therefore, the strong probability is that tree-falling incorporates a degree of audible output.
More interesting is to ask why a falling tree needs to make a sound. What purpose would it serve?
Take it @SporadicAddick is now due an online consultancy invoice for that..
And I agree with Bob about the sound (this is a regular debate in my house - I am massively outnumbered by people with Dave's view..)0 -
Schoolboy error, @bobmunrobobmunro said:
Sound is caused by vibrations in the air pressure reaching a sensor - in our case our ears. If there are no receptors within a distance from where the tree falls to where those changes in air pressure dissipate then it will not make a sound.Dave Rudd said:
This is classic, but quite easy to answer.SporadicAddick said:If a tree falls over in an empty forest, does it make a sound?
All human experience shows that, when a tree falls over, it will make a sound. There are no recorded situations in the dendrodeclination literature which show a tree falling and making no sound.
Therefore, the strong probability is that tree-falling incorporates a degree of audible output.
More interesting is to ask why a falling tree needs to make a sound. What purpose would it serve?
I refer you once again to the music of the spheres. The sound is there, as is that of the falling tree. It doesn't need to be detected to exist.
Just like a hole. Detect that, if you will.
Invoice on the way.
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Bob beat me to it, but in a much more articulate way than I would have usedbobmunro said:
Sound is caused by vibrations in the air pressure reaching a sensor - in our case our ears. If there are no receptors within a distance from where the tree falls to where those changes in air pressure dissipate then it will not make a sound.Dave Rudd said:
This is classic, but quite easy to answer.SporadicAddick said:If a tree falls over in an empty forest, does it make a sound?
All human experience shows that, when a tree falls over, it will make a sound. There are no recorded situations in the dendrodeclination literature which show a tree falling and making no sound.
Therefore, the strong probability is that tree-falling incorporates a degree of audible output.
More interesting is to ask why a falling tree needs to make a sound. What purpose would it serve?0 -
All i know is, Millwall Stu would of passed out two posts into this thread...0
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Dave Rudd said:
Schoolboy error, @bobmunrobobmunro said:
Sound is caused by vibrations in the air pressure reaching a sensor - in our case our ears. If there are no receptors within a distance from where the tree falls to where those changes in air pressure dissipate then it will not make a sound.Dave Rudd said:
This is classic, but quite easy to answer.SporadicAddick said:If a tree falls over in an empty forest, does it make a sound?
All human experience shows that, when a tree falls over, it will make a sound. There are no recorded situations in the dendrodeclination literature which show a tree falling and making no sound.
Therefore, the strong probability is that tree-falling incorporates a degree of audible output.
More interesting is to ask why a falling tree needs to make a sound. What purpose would it serve?
I refer you once again to the music of the spheres. The sound is there, as is that of the falling tree. It doesn't need to be detected to exist.
Just like a hole. Detect that, if you will.
Invoice on the way.
If by sound we mean wave disturbances that propagate through the air at audio frequencies, then yes it does make a sound. But sound in the human experience will not be received/perceived if there are no receptors to receive it!
Of course, reality is an illusion, albeit a very persistent one!0 - Sponsored links:
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Correct ... not received or perceived ... but the sound exists nonetheless.bobmunro said:Dave Rudd said:
Schoolboy error, @bobmunrobobmunro said:
Sound is caused by vibrations in the air pressure reaching a sensor - in our case our ears. If there are no receptors within a distance from where the tree falls to where those changes in air pressure dissipate then it will not make a sound.Dave Rudd said:
This is classic, but quite easy to answer.SporadicAddick said:If a tree falls over in an empty forest, does it make a sound?
All human experience shows that, when a tree falls over, it will make a sound. There are no recorded situations in the dendrodeclination literature which show a tree falling and making no sound.
Therefore, the strong probability is that tree-falling incorporates a degree of audible output.
More interesting is to ask why a falling tree needs to make a sound. What purpose would it serve?
I refer you once again to the music of the spheres. The sound is there, as is that of the falling tree. It doesn't need to be detected to exist.
Just like a hole. Detect that, if you will.
Invoice on the way.
If by sound we mean wave disturbances that propagate through the air at audio frequencies, then yes it does make a sound. But sound in the human experience will not be received/perceived if there are no receptors to receive it!
Let me try another tack.
When you go on holiday, does your house cease to exist? Or when a family member is 100 miles away, do they also no longer exist?
You can't detect either. But I would hope that they are still there!
Or do you believe that a loved one simply flits between reality and non-existence based on whether you send them a text or not?
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Surely it's only a hole if you take something out of it to leave a hole there.0
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when are you planning on announcing i'm the winner chizz? i think we may have crossed swords in the past but id just get it over and done with if i were you - what's the prize?0
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Well done Doucher, the prize is the honour of paying off everyones consultancy fee invoices from @Dave Rudd...DOUCHER said:when are you planning on announcing i'm the winner chizz? i think we may have crossed swords in the past but id just get it over and done with if i were you - what's the prize? 1 -
We're all "winners", because we all support Charlton. But there is only one correct answer and no-one's posted it yet. There have been some very interesting responses. And, frankly, the interesting responses are better than the correct one. So, let's see if there are any more interesting ones; or even if someone posts the right answer...DOUCHER said:when are you planning on announcing i'm the winner chizz? i think we may have crossed swords in the past but id just get it over and done with if i were you - what's the prize?0 -
Anyone fancy a pint?
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( but does a pint exist if there’s no one there to drink it? )0 -
Just choose which team you are on.Team 1 holeProponents of the “one hole” theory argue that a straw is like a doughnut. It’s one piece of material with one connected hole all the way through. The “long plastic doughnut” theory. The Oxford English Dictionary defines a hole as a “hollow place in a solid body or surface,” which would seem to lend credence to Team One Hole.Team 2 Holes
Team “Two Holes” argues that a straw has an entrance and an exit, and thus has TWO holes. Imagine a pipe. If something goes in a pipe in your house, crosses town underground, and then comes out on the other end of town. The two ends of the pipe are part of the same system, but are two unique and distinct holes. Team Two Holes argues a straw is no differentTeam 0 holesNo holes
Enter, Team “No Holes.” This team of philosophers argues that the entire debate is completely wrong. Team No Holes argues a straw is just a rolled-up rectangle. An ideal straw, they say, would have no holes, otherwise it would leak. Others argue a straw can have infinite holes. Just keep cutting it in half…
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Three. I shan't explain0
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So you get out of the way on time.Dave Rudd said:
This is classic, but quite easy to answer.SporadicAddick said:If a tree falls over in an empty forest, does it make a sound?
All human experience shows that, when a tree falls over, it will make a sound. There are no recorded situations in the dendrodeclination literature which show a tree falling and making no sound.
Therefore, the strong probability is that tree-falling incorporates a degree of audible output.
More interesting is to ask why a falling tree needs to make a sound. What purpose would it serve?
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well, this will be interesting - a straw acts like a hose in reverse - a tunnel / conduit - if you put holes in it, it becomes a sprinklerChizz said:
We're all "winners", because we all support Charlton. But there is only one correct answer and no-one's posted it yet. There have been some very interesting responses. And, frankly, the interesting responses are better than the correct one. So, let's see if there are any more interesting ones; or even if someone posts the right answer...DOUCHER said:when are you planning on announcing i'm the winner chizz? i think we may have crossed swords in the past but id just get it over and done with if i were you - what's the prize?
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