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Derelict Woolwich Catholic Club, Still got the signs up. Just before Woolwich Ferry1
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The Dublin Castle, Camden. Famous music venue and pub, built in 19th century to cater for the influx of, mostly railway, workers into the area.
"The workers hailed from Ireland, Wales, Scotland and England, and had a tendency to spar with one another after having too many drinks in the local pubs of an evening. The solution? To create a pub to accommodate each country, thus limiting the possibilities of confrontation. This reasoning wasn’t just about keeping the peace however, as less nightly fights also meant the men were in a better condition to work the next day. And so Edinboro Castle, Windsor Castle, Pembroke Castle and Dublin Castle were born, dotted around Primrose Hill and Camden, located close to, and in some cases directly above the railway tracks."
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Madness' first gig was at The Dublin Castle.YTS1978 said:The Dublin Castle, Camden. Famous music venue and pub, built in 19th century to cater for the influx of, mostly railway, workers into the area.
"The workers hailed from Ireland, Wales, Scotland and England, and had a tendency to spar with one another after having too many drinks in the local pubs of an evening. The solution? To create a pub to accommodate each country, thus limiting the possibilities of confrontation. This reasoning wasn’t just about keeping the peace however, as less nightly fights also meant the men were in a better condition to work the next day. And so Edinboro Castle, Windsor Castle, Pembroke Castle and Dublin Castle were born, dotted around Primrose Hill and Camden, located close to, and in some cases directly above the railway tracks."3 -
Charlton connection?
Paul Walsh.
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@guinnessaddick yeah, they have a plaque on the wall outside. Suggs used to drink in the Spread Eagle over the road in the early 2000's. Used to see him in there quite a lot, always talking loudly about Chelsea! Was lucky enough to be in there one day when the were playing a secret gig at the Castle as The Dangermen. Managed to bribe my way in and had a great night! A top band and a top bunch of lads.guinnessaddick said:
Madness' first gig was at The Dublin Castle.YTS1978 said:The Dublin Castle, Camden. Famous music venue and pub, built in 19th century to cater for the influx of, mostly railway, workers into the area.
"The workers hailed from Ireland, Wales, Scotland and England, and had a tendency to spar with one another after having too many drinks in the local pubs of an evening. The solution? To create a pub to accommodate each country, thus limiting the possibilities of confrontation. This reasoning wasn’t just about keeping the peace however, as less nightly fights also meant the men were in a better condition to work the next day. And so Edinboro Castle, Windsor Castle, Pembroke Castle and Dublin Castle were born, dotted around Primrose Hill and Camden, located close to, and in some cases directly above the railway tracks."1 -
Funny, I was in the Dublin Castle last week, decent pub and a cracking jukebox. Lot of framed gig posters on the wall, Madness to the fore not surprisingly.2
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The German Gymnasium at Kings Cross. It was Britain’s first purpose built gym and Michael Collins and other Republicans would meet there and practice drills ahead of the Easter Rising.Soho Square - home to St Patrick’s church, which was the first Irish Catholic Church in Britain in 1792. You’ve also got The Toucan which is one of the smallest boozers, but with a great pint of Guinness.St Giles in the Field church. The area was one of the first Irish districts as many emigrated to England to escape the famine. Oliver Plunkett, Archbishop of Armagh, was hung drawn & quartered at Tyburn and buried there, for being involved in a French invasion of Ireland in 1681. His body has since been moved several times, although his head ended up back in Drogheda.3
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iainment said:I’ve been tasked with organising a ride for my cycle club that celebrates Irish London. To be done for St Patrick’s next year.SoundAsa£ said:el-pietro is your man, he’ll know some venues I reckon or maybe his Irish dad will.
PM him…..he pops in and out of here from time to time.
I think he posts mostly on the politics thread.
He’s a good lad, intelligent too, was raised for a long while in Camberwell but speaks with a broad Irish accent and is now based permanently back in Ireland.
Can you suggest any cultural, political, sporting or other places we might incorporate into this and why.
I have quite a few ideas already but I’m looking for those things that might not be particularly well known.
As a hint to what I’m thinking about so far I’ve got Kittie O’Sheas house in Eltham, Danny LaRue, Arthur Wellesleys house, the site of the Park Royal brewery, Paul Nash, the first Irish church in London and so on. It needs to be an eclectic mix so I’d love input to help me
Hi @el-pietro any help appreciated.
I haven't lived in London since I was 5 so not much good there and while I visit London fairly regularly, (or at I did least pre covid and hope to do so again in the future), I'm not typically looking for Irish culture when I do visit. Usually I'm in London for Football and beer, spending most of my time along the Beer Mile. I'll see if my Dad has any suggestions. Sorry I couldn't be more help.
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Where is Kitty O' Sheas house.? ...know it was Wonersh Lodge, North Park but is it still there? I am Genuinely interested as have been reading a lot on Charles Stewart Parnell. Any info appreciated as scant on google.
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Also Our Lady of Grace Church on Charlton used to have an Irish centre bar until early 90's. There is still an old Irish congregation there including until recently the great Theo Foley. Talking to one of the Irish he said it got closed as the London Irish population declined. The Church congreation is largely Nigerian and Ghanian now ass the Priests are from.thise countries. A bit of trivia too is the great Sam Bartram got married there on a Saturday morning and then turned out for the Addicks at 3pm Might be worth looking into for the Irish connection.
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NM18 said:Where is Kitty O' Sheas house.? ...know it was Wonersh Lodge, North Park but is it still there? I am Genuinely interested as have been reading a lot on Charles Stewart Parnell. Any info appreciated as scant on google.I can find reference to this being 1880s.OS map of 1897 shows that North Park was only what's now the eastern end of the road, but does not put names to houses. Looks like all those houses were demolished for the Woodington Close / Greenacres (etc) flats.May be something lurking somewhere in Greenwich archives that puts names to the houses.1914 post office directory lists some occupants / houses, but no Wonersh Lodge (neither does 1904, and earlier directories don't do the street by street thing the same way)
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Oh, sorry about that…..for some reason I thought you’d lived in Camberwell until your late teens.🙄el-pietro said:iainment said:SoundAsa£ said:el-pietro is your man, he’ll know some venues I reckon or maybe his Irish dad will.
PM him…..he pops in and out of here from time to time.
I think he posts mostly on the politics thread.
He’s a good lad, intelligent too, was raised for a long while in Camberwell but speaks with a broad Irish accent and is now based permanently back in Ireland.I’ve been tasked with organising a ride for my cycle club that celebrates Irish London. To be done for St Patrick’s next year.
Can you suggest any cultural, political, sporting or other places we might incorporate into this and why.
I have quite a few ideas already but I’m looking for those things that might not be particularly well known.
As a hint to what I’m thinking about so far I’ve got Kittie O’Sheas house in Eltham, Danny LaRue, Arthur Wellesleys house, the site of the Park Royal brewery, Paul Nash, the first Irish church in London and so on. It needs to be an eclectic mix so I’d love input to help me
Hi @el-pietro any help appreciated.
I haven't lived in London since I was 5 so not much good there and while I visit London fairly regularly, (or at I did least pre covid and hope to do so again in the future), I'm not typically looking for Irish culture when I do visit. Usually I'm in London for Football and beer, spending most of my time along the Beer Mile. I'll see if my Dad has any suggestions. Sorry I couldn't be more help.0 -
Don't know if its been said but The Toucan Soho Square. Wonderful selection of Irish Whiskey in the downstairs bar.1
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I’ve identified Kitty O’Shea’s house in Eltham as Wonersh Lodge, North Park, Eltham. I’m in Ireland so can’t physically check the houses in North Park but does anyone know which one it is? I had thought the house to be in Court Road but was wrong.0
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SoundAsa£ said:
Oh, sorry about that…..for some reason I thought you’d lived in Camberwell until your late teens.🙄el-pietro said:iainment said:SoundAsa£ said:el-pietro is your man, he’ll know some venues I reckon or maybe his Irish dad will.
PM him…..he pops in and out of here from time to time.
I think he posts mostly on the politics thread.
He’s a good lad, intelligent too, was raised for a long while in Camberwell but speaks with a broad Irish accent and is now based permanently back in Ireland.I’ve been tasked with organising a ride for my cycle club that celebrates Irish London. To be done for St Patrick’s next year.
Can you suggest any cultural, political, sporting or other places we might incorporate into this and why.
I have quite a few ideas already but I’m looking for those things that might not be particularly well known.
As a hint to what I’m thinking about so far I’ve got Kittie O’Sheas house in Eltham, Danny LaRue, Arthur Wellesleys house, the site of the Park Royal brewery, Paul Nash, the first Irish church in London and so on. It needs to be an eclectic mix so I’d love input to help me
Hi @el-pietro any help appreciated.
I haven't lived in London since I was 5 so not much good there and while I visit London fairly regularly, (or at I did least pre covid and hope to do so again in the future), I'm not typically looking for Irish culture when I do visit. Usually I'm in London for Football and beer, spending most of my time along the Beer Mile. I'll see if my Dad has any suggestions. Sorry I couldn't be more help.
Born in Camberwell. Lived in Forest Hill, went to school in Dulwich until I was about 5. Only went to home games at Selhurst before we came home.
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https://irishculturalcentre.co.uk/contact/The Irish Cultural Centre is now in Hammersmith. Sadly not the stunning building they used to have just between Blackfriars & Fleet St.0
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Thanks again to all. I have enough now for several rides. Over the next week or two I’m going to sketch out a route and then write up my I forgot each stop. The ride will probably be no more than 30 miles and I need to work out the starting and finishing points. It’s almost certain to end in a pub! Probably the oldest Irish pub in London.1
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NM18 said:Where is Kitty O' Sheas house.? ...know it was Wonersh Lodge, North Park but is it still there? I am Genuinely interested as have been reading a lot on Charles Stewart Parnell. Any info appreciated as scant on google.iainment said:I’ve identified Kitty O’Shea’s house in Eltham as Wonersh Lodge, North Park, Eltham. I’m in Ireland so can’t physically check the houses in North Park but does anyone know which one it is? I had thought the house to be in Court Road but was wrong.Think I've found the site -There's a discussion on Flickr here which identifies Wonersh Lodge as 51 North Park (although I've not found anything else that puts it as a specific house.)1957 OS map here shows 51 as north side of the road.Which would put it on the site that's now Woodington Close. Street View here.0
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Somewhere to be kept off the itinerary....
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I negotiated the Heads of Terms of a merger in the actual room that Michael Collins met Churchill. That was Cadogen Gardens house. That's what we were told anywaysTelMc32 said:@iainment if your tour takes you to Knightsbridge, you have 15 Cadogan Gardens & 22 Hans Place which is where the Irish delegation stayed in 1921 when negotiating an Anglo-Irish peace.
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Blyth Hill Tavern on the S Circular in Forest Hill is your refreshment establishment of choice.1
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Of course there are many legendary and fantastic Irish pubs in London. The ride will only feature one at the end to socialise and chew the fat over the ride. It’s likely to be a pub near London Bridge as this offers the Brighton Clarion comrades an easy way home. I have one in mind.AddicksAddict said:Blyth Hill Tavern on the S Circular in Forest Hill is your refreshment establishment of choice.
London Clarion is a socialist cycling club so the ride will be more political and sociological stuff with some light stuff thrown in to balance things out. There have been fantastic suggestions on here and I hope there’ll be more but drinking holes (except near London Bridge aren’t needed).0
