Nigel Adkins - Bromley Addicks - Now 13th October

Valiantphil said:

He seems a nice guy, but I don't think he will ever win the fans back on his side.
We need 22 wins from 35 games to get a ticket for the play off lottery,  - so that's another season gone West.
LB was a hard act to follow, but getting beat 3-1 at home to Cheltenham in the league is a disgrace, and the buck stops with NADS.

I thought we lost 2-1? 

Somewhat selective to make the comparison based on one result isn't it? This is the same LB, after all, that managed a side last season that picked up just 23 out of 54 points from the 18 home games when he was in charge. Perhaps, just perhaps, we'd been that little bit better at home we might have picked up that one point needed to take us into the Play Offs.

But LB was a hard act to follow!

eaststandmike said:

Henry Irving said:

His comment on the make up of an league one team was interesting but I couldn't get in to ask the follow up which was "do you have it".
He said you need six "big 'uns" as a high percentage (he said what but I can't remember) of goals come from, for and against, set plays.

Then you need a left and a right footed set piece taker. You need a pacey player and a goalscorer (20 to 30 goals) as well as a captain.

The players need to be athletic, robust enough to play 40 games, warriors when things are hard, willing to learn and be coachable IE can improve, not set in their ways and have technical ability with 85% pass completion.

Now I know why we are 4th from bottom...............we have none of these.

Maybe NA was making the point that that was what he wanted but didn't get

But they didn't acknowledge he had Covid until that point, that was what he was saying. If the player himself is happy to announce it, that's one thing, but you don't do it for them.

aliwibble said:

But they didn't acknowledge he had Covid until that point, that was what he was saying. If the player himself is happy to announce it, that's one thing, but you don't do it for them.

You could get to the point where you have half the team missing from an ankle injury to Covid and Clubs just say they are indisposed. Can you imagine if that was said when Vennings, Dempsey, Davison etc were playing in the Championship when they were hardly ready for the U23, and we weren't told why Taylor, Cullen, Bauer etc were missing.

In the entertainment industry, and believe it or not Charlton are in that industry, people pay to watch players and want to know why they are not in the squad. If you pay £120 to watch a west end show with your partner and half the cast are missing then should you just be told their indisposed ? 

There is no shame in catching COVID-19 as 10 million( could be more from 1st wave) have in the UK. If we had more transparency in the first place with Covid from its source and the young Chinese doctor wasn't encouraged to stay silence then......

All players should be encouraged to share as I thought we needed to know who has Covid ?

Too many lives have been lost by suicide because families can't be told by Doctors a loved one is having a bad time. Many of us were good actors when our mental health sunk to a dangerous level.

Cafc are just following the national  guidelines which I understand but transparency really can stop a small problem shared becoming misery and guilt for families.

killerandflash said:

soapboxsam said:

aliwibble said:

But they didn't acknowledge he had Covid until that point, that was what he was saying. If the player himself is happy to announce it, that's one thing, but you don't do it for them.

You could get to the point where you have half the team missing from an ankle injury to Covid and Clubs just say they are indisposed. Can you imagine if that was said when Vennings, Dempsey, Davison etc were playing in the Championship when they were hardly ready for the U23, and we weren't told why Taylor, Cullen, Bauer etc were missing.

In the entertainment industry, and believe it or not Charlton are in that industry, people pay to watch players and want to know why they are not in the squad. If you pay £120 to watch a west end show with your partner and half the cast are missing then should you just be told their indisposed ? 

There is no shame in catching COVID-19 as 10 million( could be more from 1st wave) have in the UK. If we had more transparency in the first place with Covid from its source and the young Chinese doctor wasn't encouraged to stay silence then......

All players should be encouraged to share as I thought we needed to know who has Covid ?

Too many lives have been lost by suicide because families can't be told by Doctors a loved one is having a bad time. Many of us were good actors when our mental health sunk to a dangerous level.

Cafc are just following the national  guidelines which I understand but transparency really can stop a small problem shared becoming misery and guilt for families.

Yes, I don't understand why someone with Covid has to be kept secret, whereas if he had injured his calf, hamstring or knee, or indeed had chicken pox or flu, it would have been casually mentioned. For example with Purrington this summer

Adkins said: “Ben has got a hamstring injury. The diagnosis means he will miss the start of the season. How long he will actually be out for is another question but as I’ve said we’ve got excellent medical staff here.

Imagine if Adkins had said "Ben will be out for a while" without saying what it was, it would have created far more of a story

Probably because you can put hamstring or knee injuries into social media articles without risking starting an absolute shitshow of conspiracy theories and trolling about social distancing and vaccines.

Not so with Covid. 

it is not up to the employer to divulge details of an employee's illness, but should the employee do so that is their prerogative 

An extreme example would be is an employee contracted an STD, it would be wrong to tell everyone the nature of the indisposition but rather just say the employee is off sick, and so it should be with C19

For Gunter and Watson to have 15 and 18 years as  Professionals I have no doubt they are excellent on the training ground and will no doubt stay in football as coaches. Gunter is still a current Welsh International.

Watson is still decent on the ball but he can't cover quick enough when the other team counter attack. This is why Nigel Adkins told him and Jason Pearce a lot of their work would be at Sparrows lane this Season.

For various reasons Ben and Jason still get games in the first teams

golfaddick said:

aliwibble said:

Henry Irving said:

@aliwibble asked a good question about Covid19 which I'll let her talk about.

Ironically, as I have that stinking cold that's going round at the moment, so I wasn't sure if I was coming through clearly, as I'm a bit huskier than normal. Basically just commenting on Adkins, Gilbey etc having had Covid, hoping they weren't feeling any on-going effects, and given we had the issue of Andy Hunt having to retire due to CFS, wondering what sort of monitoring the physios etc do for players coming back from Covid.

Can't remember everything he said (I wasn't taking notes for this one), but he started off talking about the situation in the country with the on-going number of deaths etc, and then went into the specifics of how it affects the club. Apparently Gilbey's infection was probably a result of going to one of the Euro's games, and when asked why the club didn't explain why he was out and for how long, cited confidentiality, and said that given it was a new disease with extremely variable outcomes (eg long covid) they couldn't give an estimate of how long he was likely to be out. Was very complimentary about the club medical staff, but I can't remember any specifics about the kind of things he said they did in relation to this. Whether that's cos he didn't, or I'd just hit information overload for the night, I can't say.

Citing confidentially is a strange one seeing as Gilbey himself tweeted that he had Covid.

Oh well, if it fits the narrative I suppose they have to trot out the lies.

I see Gilbey has revealed that the the impact of Covid was more than the norm and that the Club had to get to the bottom of the issues. This would, perhaps, serve to explain why Adkins was reluctant to give a straightforward answer to his issues. You say Covid and then fans think that the player will be back in a matter of days. When that doesn't happen they then naturally speculate as to what is going on. That isn't helpful for the player especially when one reads what Gilbey was going through:

“I’d been to the gym and was doing a swimming session with one of the physios and I just didn’t feel myself,” he said. “As the days passed it progressively got worse.

“Then it absolutely knocked me for six. I literally couldn’t lift my head off the pillow. I was in bed for 12 or 14 days.

"You read up about it and people say it lasts for three or four days and then you start feeling like your normal self. But it really done me. I wasn’t eating and lost weight. I lost my taste and sense of smell early on.

"I never got any real issues with my breathing, it just felt like I had a really bad cold and really bad back.

“I was lying in bed trying to watch telly and take my mind off things but I couldn’t keep my eyes open – I was sleeping the whole time. It was really scary, I’m not afraid to admit that. I was scared.

“The breathing side only kicked in after I was back training. I was gradually coming back, because there is a protocol we had to stick to, but I just couldn’t do the basic stuff that I normally do every day without even realising it.

“Thankfully I had the right team around me, the physios and the doc, they sent me to the right people in London and we got to the bottom of it. I’ve got asthma, so I had to take steroids. A couple of weeks ago I had to go and see the specialist in London again and do all different lung-functioning tests – the results were really good.

“Thankfully I’m over it now and I’m feeling really fit and strong."

Gilbey is set to get his first Covid-19 vaccination this week. He had been told by specialists that he had to wait two months before he could get jabbed.