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A diamond back four?

Been trying to work out how to describe our formation over the last two games and this is the best I’ve been able to come up with. 

I’m not clever enough to know how we’re not getting punished down our flanks (yet) but long may it continue.

—————-CMG
—————Pearce
———Gunter - Famewo
————- Dobson
Leko - Gilbey - Lee - Purrington
——Stockley - Washington

Does this look about right to anyone else or am I completely off? The typical 3-5-2 is probably closest and I might be overcomplicating but I feel as though the wide players have a lot more freedom that would be traditional whereas Dobson will rarely venture forward at all and help retain the tip of that diamond.

Comments

  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Leko/DJ and Purrington are definitely wing backs but attacking ones with plenty of freedom to get forward. It's not something I saw anyone predict but so far it's given us a much more balanced team than we saw under Adkins this season.

    Where Purrington lacks pace and skill he makes up for it with his energy. You wouldn't see Gunter or Matthews get up, down and into the box like he does. He's had at least three chances to score in two games and you could say he should have scored all of them. As ridiculous as it might sound he could score quite a few over a season getting himself into those positions and we keep creating chances.

    Leko/DJ on the right gives us a naturally attacking player with that ability to take defenders on. It helps to stop the formation from becoming too defensive, as we saw when Adkins played a similar formation but with Gunter at RWB.

    The three at the back aren't quite Chris Wilder's overlapping CBs but they do move wide and occasionally go forward with or without the ball, helping us keep possession. I think Gunter got forward enough to even put a cross in at one point.

    It'll be interesting to see what way it goes - does it get exploited, do we continue as we are or will we get more adventurous and eventually see the wider two support the attack even more.

    With a mobile and energetic DM in Dobson there's cover for the WBs and wider CBs. Ahead of them all you've got three more mobile and energetic players in Gilbey, Lee and Washington plus Stockley, a proper target man and at this level a goalscorer. Pressing higher up the pitch and more aggressively has made such a difference, with this 11 we have the players to do that.

    Like Bowyer's diamond it needs the right players to offer width going forward and to support out wide defensively. We've got that right in the last two games, if we can keep the intensity up we could go on a good run.

    If you consider a formation your defensive shape then I'd put it down as the below. In attack there's a lot of movement with players drifting wide or pushing forward.

                      CM

        Gunter Pearce Famewo

    Leko       Dobson       Purrington

            Gilbey       Lee

         Stockley  Washington
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    Looks about right - Washington even drops a bit behind Stockley sometimes too. 
  • Dave Rudd
    Dave Rudd Posts: 2,865
    edited October 2021
    Don't over-analyse it.

    We played a back three today (Gunter, Pearce and Famewo) with Purrington filling the left-midfield space, but with some defensive mentality.

    On the right, we had Leko, but with some attacking mentality.

    It's a sort of unbalanced 3-5-2.

    When Leko went off, DJ appeared (yaay) and our defensive right side got weaker.  It will be interesting to see if Rotherham exploit that.

    Totally off topic ... I thought that Dobson was superb today.
  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,499
    It's 3-1-4-2 which morphs into 4-4-2 if we are pressed back (which didn't happen much today). 
  • When Leko was replaced by DJ, it looked more like a 442 for much of the time, with Gunter playing wider as a RB rather than a CB

    The key for the system to work was Dobson dropping very deep so that he effectively became a 3rd defender
  • redman
    redman Posts: 5,285
    edited October 2021
    imo that's wrong. Leko was certainly futher forward than Purrington. The main point was it was flexible. Purrington did sometimes drop back to make it a back 4. 
    Lee generally was more forward than Gilbey but not in a rigid way. Most of this was allowed because Dobson was all over the middle. 
    I'm sure we don't get at this level but would have been interestested to the maps of players 
  • alicwkd
    alicwkd Posts: 374
    Simonsen said:
    It's 3-1-4-2 which morphs into 4-4-2 if we are pressed back (which didn't happen much today). 
    This. Seemed to me to be a hybrid system. In possession it was something like a 3-1-6 shape. We didn't have to do much work out of possession but it seemed like the plan was to fall into a 4-4-2ish shape, Purrington retreating from LWB to LB, and Gunter shuffling from RCB to RB.

    Very interesting and someting you mostly see at higher levels of the game. Interested to see how it works going forward when teams start to suss it out. 
  • Southbank
    Southbank Posts: 5,252
    The key change is the personnel rather than the system, although I like the flexibility of the system. With Lee and Gilbey in midfield we have 2 energetic ball carriers who find space to operate in and who can get forward fast. With Dobson we have an energetic midfielder who can protect the back 3/4.
    I may be wrong but I don't think those 3 players had been in the same 11 until Sunderland?

    Add the fact of having 2 strikers and with the movement of Lee and Gilbey we also have more players in their penalty area when we attack.

    If any of those 3 get injured we may struggle again.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Southbank said:
    The key change is the personnel rather than the system, although I like the flexibility of the system. With Lee and Gilbey in midfield we have 2 energetic ball carriers who find space to operate in and who can get forward fast. With Dobson we have an energetic midfielder who can protect the back 3/4.
    I may be wrong but I don't think those 3 players had been in the same 11 until Sunderland?

    Add the fact of having 2 strikers and with the movement of Lee and Gilbey we also have more players in their penalty area when we attack.

    If any of those 3 get injured we may struggle again.
    Any of them getting injured would no doubt weaken us, but I'm sure we wouldn't revert to the way we were playing under Adkins.

    Jackson has improved every aspect of our game. I'd see Clare coming in who although isn't as good would still give us energy and is capable of pressing, finding space, getting in the box and tracking back.

    Hopefully JFC continues his progress comes back the player he was to strengthen us further.

    January will be interesting, we'll need to move players on before we can bring any outfield players in (unless they're u21). Arter, Kirk and CBT are possibilities. Watson, Gunter and Matthews seems less likely as they're probably not going to attract much interest.
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,257
    3142 when attacking, 4141 when defending for the most part:

    MacGillivray
    Gunter Pearce Famewo
    Dobson
    Leko Gilbey Lee Purrington 
    Stockley Washington

    MacGillivray
    Gunter Pearce Famewo Purrington
    Dobson
    Leko Gilbey Lee Washington
    Stockley
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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    edited November 2021
    So pleased how Leko and now DJ have stepped up to playing that right wing role. It’s crucial to the success of this new formation. Purrington isn’t a flying wing back but he gets into great positions to score crucial goals.

    I’m liking this set up a lot.

    Four league games so far and although Burton had a lot of the ball, it never felt like they were going to score. Sunderland and Rotherham had a bit more success but never really opened us up with regularity.
  • I think the transformation in DJ is the biggest indicator that it was never that the players were not good enough or were ill disciplined/lazy. It was that they weren’t being told to do the jobs needed, either with enough clarity or forcefully enough (or perhaps at all). 

    DJ can defend and is willing to. He just needed an manager who would instruct him to do it. 
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    edited November 2021
    I think they were put in a formation and told 'to do your best and a whole bit more' without any further direction. They currently being coached and the difference is more than obviously evident.

    One thing our smarter fans have grasped is that you will give opportunities while playing flying wingbacks but you take the advantages...Purrington's goals and DJ's assists.

    A number who do not 'get it' are still referencing one instance that a wing back didn't track his man. It's a real give and take so on balance you go with what is working for the team.