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Mason Burstow - on loan to Bolton from Hull (p53)
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A word of caution if I may. There are many like Mason who looked equally as good to me in the under 23s, who the club thought would make it. I'm thinking Azeez, Sho Silva, Hanlon and Umerah.
Let's just see how he goes. Same with Kanu and Gavin. This time last year Aaron Henry was the coming man and his progress appears to have stalled.21 -
bolloxbolder said:A word of caution if I may. There are many like Mason who looked equally as good to me in the under 23s, who the club thought would make it. I'm thinking Azeez, Sho Silva, Hanlon and Umerah.
Let's just see how he goes. Same with Kanu and Gavin. This time last year Aaron Henry was the coming man and his progress appears to have stalled.
That said, all the while signs are promising let's HOPE Burstow really is a big deal without letting that become expectation.0 -
If Burstow has a career like Hanlon, that will be a fantastic success. Umerah was the one I was pinning my hopes on a few years back…0
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bolloxbolder said:A word of caution if I may. There are many like Mason who looked equally as good to me in the under 23s, who the club thought would make it. I'm thinking Azeez, Sho Silva, Hanlon and Umerah.
Let's just see how he goes. Same with Kanu and Gavin. This time last year Aaron Henry was the coming man and his progress appears to have stalled.0 -
Todds_right_hook said:bolloxbolder said:A word of caution if I may. There are many like Mason who looked equally as good to me in the under 23s, who the club thought would make it. I'm thinking Azeez, Sho Silva, Hanlon and Umerah.
Let's just see how he goes. Same with Kanu and Gavin. This time last year Aaron Henry was the coming man and his progress appears to have stalled.
Which might or might not be successful.
Aaron has been used to being the main man, and expected to be the one to make it all happen, now he is advancing to an older more developed level he has to appreciate the 'sherpa' aspect of his team contribution, and maybe realise that sometimes less is more.2 -
Scoham said:paulsturgess said:Scoham said:paulsturgess said:Scoham said:paulsturgess said:Scoham said:Jonniesta said:Good chance he'll make his full debut in the pizza cup I reckon. Would be good to see him get some proper minutes out there. But, however good he his, doesn't stop a proven striker being our top priority in January... we still only have 2 established front men.
What we don’t need is a 10 goal a season League 1 striker on a 2/3 year contract when we have two young players who have the potential to be far better than that.
Why block Davison and Burstow’s progress by signing an average striker when they’ve scored a decent number of goals between them?
moment, assuming he isn’t.Davison is a trier but clearly not good enough which I think we’ve seen across an extended period now. He’s definitely a substantial step down from Washington as an overall package in my opinion. Your point was that you don’t want a striker in unless they’re a significant improvement on Washington - obviously I would love that too but on if that’s not realistic it’s essential we sign another striker who is on a par with Washington because Davison just isn’t, and if Washington and/or stockley get injured and we’re lining up with Davison and then an unknown kid on the bench and hoping to be climbing up and troubling the top 6 , for me that ain’t gonna happen.We just about got away without a proper 2nd striker when we had Taylor in the play off season, and that was only cos Taylor was so exceptionally good (way above stockley or Washington) - and when he was suspended after that red card we went on an awful run with our makeshift attack.Point being - in my view we 100% need a 3rd good quality league one striker. It isn’t and wont be Davison, if it’s Burstow brilliant. Otherwise it’s a signing.
Put him in place of Washington in a full strength team and he’ll score goals. I didn’t need to see the game yesterday to know a midfield of Morgan, Kirk and Arter is a significant downgrade compared to Dobson, Gilbey and Lee - the latter has far more mobility, energy and creativity. It must be far easier to play in a team like that where you’ll get more touches of the ball and can rely on them and the wing backs getting good passes and crosses into the box.
Washington’s strengths are his work rate and movement, the gap between him and Davison isn’t that big.
I’m not saying he’s completely transformed but the way he’s improved and his age suggests he has room to get even better. He’s still only 22. I’d hate to see us let him go while he’s developing his all round game and replace him with another Washington type who we know isn’t up to the Championship.
At that age he should be a regular in a 1st team somewhere. I see a "youngster" being someone under 20. Then again I was brought up with players like Bowyer & Konch who played 1st team football aged 16.5 -
golfaddick said:Scoham said:paulsturgess said:Scoham said:paulsturgess said:Scoham said:paulsturgess said:Scoham said:Jonniesta said:Good chance he'll make his full debut in the pizza cup I reckon. Would be good to see him get some proper minutes out there. But, however good he his, doesn't stop a proven striker being our top priority in January... we still only have 2 established front men.
What we don’t need is a 10 goal a season League 1 striker on a 2/3 year contract when we have two young players who have the potential to be far better than that.
Why block Davison and Burstow’s progress by signing an average striker when they’ve scored a decent number of goals between them?
moment, assuming he isn’t.Davison is a trier but clearly not good enough which I think we’ve seen across an extended period now. He’s definitely a substantial step down from Washington as an overall package in my opinion. Your point was that you don’t want a striker in unless they’re a significant improvement on Washington - obviously I would love that too but on if that’s not realistic it’s essential we sign another striker who is on a par with Washington because Davison just isn’t, and if Washington and/or stockley get injured and we’re lining up with Davison and then an unknown kid on the bench and hoping to be climbing up and troubling the top 6 , for me that ain’t gonna happen.We just about got away without a proper 2nd striker when we had Taylor in the play off season, and that was only cos Taylor was so exceptionally good (way above stockley or Washington) - and when he was suspended after that red card we went on an awful run with our makeshift attack.Point being - in my view we 100% need a 3rd good quality league one striker. It isn’t and wont be Davison, if it’s Burstow brilliant. Otherwise it’s a signing.
Put him in place of Washington in a full strength team and he’ll score goals. I didn’t need to see the game yesterday to know a midfield of Morgan, Kirk and Arter is a significant downgrade compared to Dobson, Gilbey and Lee - the latter has far more mobility, energy and creativity. It must be far easier to play in a team like that where you’ll get more touches of the ball and can rely on them and the wing backs getting good passes and crosses into the box.
Washington’s strengths are his work rate and movement, the gap between him and Davison isn’t that big.
I’m not saying he’s completely transformed but the way he’s improved and his age suggests he has room to get even better. He’s still only 22. I’d hate to see us let him go while he’s developing his all round game and replace him with another Washington type who we know isn’t up to the Championship.
At that age he should be a regular in a 1st team somewhere. I see a "youngster" being someone under 20. Then again I was brought up with players like Bowyer & Konch who played 1st team football aged 16. And you still don't see them as exceptions rather than rules.3 -
golfaddick said:Scoham said:paulsturgess said:Scoham said:paulsturgess said:Scoham said:paulsturgess said:Scoham said:Jonniesta said:Good chance he'll make his full debut in the pizza cup I reckon. Would be good to see him get some proper minutes out there. But, however good he his, doesn't stop a proven striker being our top priority in January... we still only have 2 established front men.
What we don’t need is a 10 goal a season League 1 striker on a 2/3 year contract when we have two young players who have the potential to be far better than that.
Why block Davison and Burstow’s progress by signing an average striker when they’ve scored a decent number of goals between them?
moment, assuming he isn’t.Davison is a trier but clearly not good enough which I think we’ve seen across an extended period now. He’s definitely a substantial step down from Washington as an overall package in my opinion. Your point was that you don’t want a striker in unless they’re a significant improvement on Washington - obviously I would love that too but on if that’s not realistic it’s essential we sign another striker who is on a par with Washington because Davison just isn’t, and if Washington and/or stockley get injured and we’re lining up with Davison and then an unknown kid on the bench and hoping to be climbing up and troubling the top 6 , for me that ain’t gonna happen.We just about got away without a proper 2nd striker when we had Taylor in the play off season, and that was only cos Taylor was so exceptionally good (way above stockley or Washington) - and when he was suspended after that red card we went on an awful run with our makeshift attack.Point being - in my view we 100% need a 3rd good quality league one striker. It isn’t and wont be Davison, if it’s Burstow brilliant. Otherwise it’s a signing.
Put him in place of Washington in a full strength team and he’ll score goals. I didn’t need to see the game yesterday to know a midfield of Morgan, Kirk and Arter is a significant downgrade compared to Dobson, Gilbey and Lee - the latter has far more mobility, energy and creativity. It must be far easier to play in a team like that where you’ll get more touches of the ball and can rely on them and the wing backs getting good passes and crosses into the box.
Washington’s strengths are his work rate and movement, the gap between him and Davison isn’t that big.
I’m not saying he’s completely transformed but the way he’s improved and his age suggests he has room to get even better. He’s still only 22. I’d hate to see us let him go while he’s developing his all round game and replace him with another Washington type who we know isn’t up to the Championship.
At that age he should be a regular in a 1st team somewhere. I see a "youngster" being someone under 20. Then again I was brought up with players like Bowyer & Konch who played 1st team football aged 16.
Not being as talented as two players who went on to play for England doesn't mean he can't become a good League 1 player. He's made progress from the player who was on loan in the Conference a year ago, no reason why that shouldn't continue.
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golfaddick said:Scoham said:paulsturgess said:Scoham said:paulsturgess said:Scoham said:paulsturgess said:Scoham said:Jonniesta said:Good chance he'll make his full debut in the pizza cup I reckon. Would be good to see him get some proper minutes out there. But, however good he his, doesn't stop a proven striker being our top priority in January... we still only have 2 established front men.
What we don’t need is a 10 goal a season League 1 striker on a 2/3 year contract when we have two young players who have the potential to be far better than that.
Why block Davison and Burstow’s progress by signing an average striker when they’ve scored a decent number of goals between them?
moment, assuming he isn’t.Davison is a trier but clearly not good enough which I think we’ve seen across an extended period now. He’s definitely a substantial step down from Washington as an overall package in my opinion. Your point was that you don’t want a striker in unless they’re a significant improvement on Washington - obviously I would love that too but on if that’s not realistic it’s essential we sign another striker who is on a par with Washington because Davison just isn’t, and if Washington and/or stockley get injured and we’re lining up with Davison and then an unknown kid on the bench and hoping to be climbing up and troubling the top 6 , for me that ain’t gonna happen.We just about got away without a proper 2nd striker when we had Taylor in the play off season, and that was only cos Taylor was so exceptionally good (way above stockley or Washington) - and when he was suspended after that red card we went on an awful run with our makeshift attack.Point being - in my view we 100% need a 3rd good quality league one striker. It isn’t and wont be Davison, if it’s Burstow brilliant. Otherwise it’s a signing.
Put him in place of Washington in a full strength team and he’ll score goals. I didn’t need to see the game yesterday to know a midfield of Morgan, Kirk and Arter is a significant downgrade compared to Dobson, Gilbey and Lee - the latter has far more mobility, energy and creativity. It must be far easier to play in a team like that where you’ll get more touches of the ball and can rely on them and the wing backs getting good passes and crosses into the box.
Washington’s strengths are his work rate and movement, the gap between him and Davison isn’t that big.
I’m not saying he’s completely transformed but the way he’s improved and his age suggests he has room to get even better. He’s still only 22. I’d hate to see us let him go while he’s developing his all round game and replace him with another Washington type who we know isn’t up to the Championship.
At that age he should be a regular in a 1st team somewhere. I see a "youngster" being someone under 20. Then again I was brought up with players like Bowyer & Konch who played 1st team football aged 16.9 -
I’ll be honest I don’t want our players to peak at being good in league one
I want players heading towards smashing up league one because they’re championship minimum .
Too many bang average league one players at best drifting through Charlton hence we’re gonna be in our 9th season in league one in 14 seasons next season4 -
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one player is 'young at still only 22 blah blah'
yet Morgan at 21 is finished according to some??9 -
Elthamaddick said:one player is 'young at still only 22 blah blah'
yet Morgan at 21 is finished according to some??
Davison on the other hand has shown an end product this season and is a better player than he was a year ago. He has a realistic chance of taking Washington’s place.6 -
Scoham said:Elthamaddick said:one player is 'young at still only 22 blah blah'
yet Morgan at 21 is finished according to some??
Davison on the other hand has shown an end product this season and is a better player than he was a year ago. He has a realistic chance of taking Washington’s place.5 -
paulsturgess said:Scoham said:paulsturgess said:Scoham said:paulsturgess said:Scoham said:Jonniesta said:Good chance he'll make his full debut in the pizza cup I reckon. Would be good to see him get some proper minutes out there. But, however good he his, doesn't stop a proven striker being our top priority in January... we still only have 2 established front men.
What we don’t need is a 10 goal a season League 1 striker on a 2/3 year contract when we have two young players who have the potential to be far better than that.
Why block Davison and Burstow’s progress by signing an average striker when they’ve scored a decent number of goals between them?
moment, assuming he isn’t.Davison is a trier but clearly not good enough which I think we’ve seen across an extended period now. He’s definitely a substantial step down from Washington as an overall package in my opinion. Your point was that you don’t want a striker in unless they’re a significant improvement on Washington - obviously I would love that too but on if that’s not realistic it’s essential we sign another striker who is on a par with Washington because Davison just isn’t, and if Washington and/or stockley get injured and we’re lining up with Davison and then an unknown kid on the bench and hoping to be climbing up and troubling the top 6 , for me that ain’t gonna happen.We just about got away without a proper 2nd striker when we had Taylor in the play off season, and that was only cos Taylor was so exceptionally good (way above stockley or Washington) - and when he was suspended after that red card we went on an awful run with our makeshift attack.Point being - in my view we 100% need a 3rd good quality league one striker. It isn’t and wont be Davison, if it’s Burstow brilliant. Otherwise it’s a signing.
Put him in place of Washington in a full strength team and he’ll score goals. I didn’t need to see the game yesterday to know a midfield of Morgan, Kirk and Arter is a significant downgrade compared to Dobson, Gilbey and Lee - the latter has far more mobility, energy and creativity. It must be far easier to play in a team like that where you’ll get more touches of the ball and can rely on them and the wing backs getting good passes and crosses into the box.
Washington’s strengths are his work rate and movement, the gap between him and Davison isn’t that big.Neither is amazing, neither is awful. Hopefully Burstow will turn out to be better than both. 👍2 -
YTS1978 said:Haven't seen this lad play yet, but he sounds promising. Could say the keeper maybe should have saved it, but it was hit with real power. Shearer would always say "get it on target and work the keeper". Exactly what he did. Sometimes you earn a bit of luck by being direct and taking the chance on. Not stopping and looking for a cut back or lay off. You can see the lads brimming with confidence so just maybe with suspensions and injuries he'll grab his chance in the 1st team.0
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JamesSeed said:YTS1978 said:Haven't seen this lad play yet, but he sounds promising. Could say the keeper maybe should have saved it, but it was hit with real power. Shearer would always say "get it on target and work the keeper". Exactly what he did. Sometimes you earn a bit of luck by being direct and taking the chance on. Not stopping and looking for a cut back or lay off. You can see the lads brimming with confidence so just maybe with suspensions and injuries he'll grab his chance in the 1st team.6
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killerandflash said:JamesSeed said:YTS1978 said:Haven't seen this lad play yet, but he sounds promising. Could say the keeper maybe should have saved it, but it was hit with real power. Shearer would always say "get it on target and work the keeper". Exactly what he did. Sometimes you earn a bit of luck by being direct and taking the chance on. Not stopping and looking for a cut back or lay off. You can see the lads brimming with confidence so just maybe with suspensions and injuries he'll grab his chance in the 1st team.
Washington benefitted last game from a deflection in similar position. The GK had moved to his left anticipating the pass to Stockley, but if you don’t shoot you don’t score.4 -
JamesSeed said:paulsturgess said:Scoham said:paulsturgess said:Scoham said:paulsturgess said:Scoham said:Jonniesta said:Good chance he'll make his full debut in the pizza cup I reckon. Would be good to see him get some proper minutes out there. But, however good he his, doesn't stop a proven striker being our top priority in January... we still only have 2 established front men.
What we don’t need is a 10 goal a season League 1 striker on a 2/3 year contract when we have two young players who have the potential to be far better than that.
Why block Davison and Burstow’s progress by signing an average striker when they’ve scored a decent number of goals between them?
moment, assuming he isn’t.Davison is a trier but clearly not good enough which I think we’ve seen across an extended period now. He’s definitely a substantial step down from Washington as an overall package in my opinion. Your point was that you don’t want a striker in unless they’re a significant improvement on Washington - obviously I would love that too but on if that’s not realistic it’s essential we sign another striker who is on a par with Washington because Davison just isn’t, and if Washington and/or stockley get injured and we’re lining up with Davison and then an unknown kid on the bench and hoping to be climbing up and troubling the top 6 , for me that ain’t gonna happen.We just about got away without a proper 2nd striker when we had Taylor in the play off season, and that was only cos Taylor was so exceptionally good (way above stockley or Washington) - and when he was suspended after that red card we went on an awful run with our makeshift attack.Point being - in my view we 100% need a 3rd good quality league one striker. It isn’t and wont be Davison, if it’s Burstow brilliant. Otherwise it’s a signing.
Put him in place of Washington in a full strength team and he’ll score goals. I didn’t need to see the game yesterday to know a midfield of Morgan, Kirk and Arter is a significant downgrade compared to Dobson, Gilbey and Lee - the latter has far more mobility, energy and creativity. It must be far easier to play in a team like that where you’ll get more touches of the ball and can rely on them and the wing backs getting good passes and crosses into the box.
Washington’s strengths are his work rate and movement, the gap between him and Davison isn’t that big.Neither is amazing, neither is awful. Hopefully Burstow will turn out to be better than both. 👍However, what you can clearly take from yesterday, and which was the original point of my post on this thread, is that if a better option than Washington isn’t possible for us in Jan then it WOULD definitely be worth us acquiring another on a par with him, because replacing a shattered Davison with a fish out of water CBT was not a great look!1 -
Jackson is making a huge effort to make him feel a part of the first team squad. Was out before and after the game yesterday.Would imagine he will be probably be involved at some point in the next three matches whilst Stockley is banned.7
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The pulling power to get talented young footballers to chose Charlton at 16 like Mason, Aribo and Lookman by their parents and representatives is they will get opportunities IF they are deemed good enough while still 18 or 19. In Deji and Joe Gomez's case they made debuts at 17 but both had been at Cafc a lot longer with Deji joining at 13 and Joe even younger.
Ralfi Hand had a Premier team trial waiting for him to start if Cafc had not offered him a two year scholars contract. Coming from Dartford and knowing Daniel Kanu and also he would be Joining a winning group of 16 to 18 year olds with excellent coaches meant it was a no brainer for Ralfi and his dad Trevor.
The transition from youth football to men's football can see young guys dreams disappear but Mason Burstow and Deji Elerewe have and will get opportunities to make it at just 18. Other talented footballers like Kanu and Hand, who are both 1st year scholars are in the academy with burning ambition and are eager for advancement.
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A Charlton fan playing for Charlton; and a great prospect as well.
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Have to say young Mason didn't look especially chuffed to be there
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Thought it was a decent cameo from him, didn’t look lost or out of place.7
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Exiled_Addick said:Thought it was a decent cameo from him, didn’t look lost or out of place.1
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