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Ipswich 7th December- No Streaming
shirty5
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Ipswich have sold out their 3,000 plus allocation so how about cancelling the stream(Bar the overseas people and individuals who get around it with dodgy links) and getting behind the boys in the flesh.
The noise must drive the boys on
The noise must drive the boys on
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I don’t think streaming has much impact on viewing figures. The crowds don’t look any less than our previous league one seasons, which is impressive considering our league position.I’m sure there’s still older Charlton fans who are wary of getting sick this time of year and streaming may be a viable alternative for them18
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Nope. Paid for my season ticket and fully expect to see every game unless its shown here in USA and they can't show it. Love watching Scott, Curbs and the guests. Best thing the club has done in a long while.9
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No offence but you live in North America and watch it regardless. I’m talking about the individuals who will pay a. Tenner and sit indoorsct_addick said:Nope. Paid for my season ticket and fully expect to see every game unless its shown here in USA and they can't show it. Love watching Scott, Curbs and the guests. Best thing the club has done in a long while.
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Oh you mean the people that use a VPN......don't really see a way around that. Can understand that if they are old and immobile but if I were living there I would be at every game.shirty5 said:
No offence but you live in North America and watch it regardless. I’m talking about the individuals who will pay a. Tenner and sit indoorsct_addick said:Nope. Paid for my season ticket and fully expect to see every game unless its shown here in USA and they can't show it. Love watching Scott, Curbs and the guests. Best thing the club has done in a long while.4 -
Fair play. It least you have some moralsct_addick said:
Oh you mean the people that use a VPN......don't really see a way around that. Can understand that if they are old and immobile but if I were living there I would be at every game.shirty5 said:
No offence but you live in North America and watch it regardless. I’m talking about the individuals who will pay a. Tenner and sit indoorsct_addick said:Nope. Paid for my season ticket and fully expect to see every game unless its shown here in USA and they can't show it. Love watching Scott, Curbs and the guests. Best thing the club has done in a long while.0 -
Why? I can't make a 500 mile round trip on on a Tuesday night. Its either £10 in the clubs sky rocket or nothing. What do you, or anyone else gain if I can't legally watch it?shirty5 said:
No offence but you live in North America and watch it regardless. I’m talking about the individuals who will pay a. Tenner and sit indoorsct_addick said:Nope. Paid for my season ticket and fully expect to see every game unless its shown here in USA and they can't show it. Love watching Scott, Curbs and the guests. Best thing the club has done in a long while.16 -
Slightly harsh as it’s a Tuesday night and that’s not as easy as a Saturday afternoon in terms of travel and responsibilities. I just think the people that can get there will, especially after today’s atmosphere. There is no substitute to being there.shirty5 said:
Fair play. It least you have some moralsct_addick said:
Oh you mean the people that use a VPN......don't really see a way around that. Can understand that if they are old and immobile but if I were living there I would be at every game.shirty5 said:
No offence but you live in North America and watch it regardless. I’m talking about the individuals who will pay a. Tenner and sit indoorsct_addick said:Nope. Paid for my season ticket and fully expect to see every game unless its shown here in USA and they can't show it. Love watching Scott, Curbs and the guests. Best thing the club has done in a long while.7 -
I really doubt streaming has a massive impact on a Tuesday night attendance.3
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It's a bit harsh on those who can't realistically get to The Valley for midweek matches due to work, where they live, or transport difficulties.
I'm a season ticket holder and I'm umming and ahhing about going to this one. Do I want to go? Of course I bloody do. Do I really want to go and end up getting home sometime after 1am because there isn't a supsersonic link between SE7 and North Norfolk? (Norfolk: the county that dual carriageways forgot.) Probably not.
If my grandson is allowed to go (on a school night) then I'll make the trip otherwise I'll probably stay at home in the warm.
By the way, it's no point using Ipswich selling out the Jimmy Seed as a barometer for interest in this game. If you lived in Suffolk you'd be grateful for any chance to leave the county for a few hours. 😉
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Before Covid kicked in 18 months ago how else would you have watched a Charlton game then midweek. Was that facility available after we got relegated to League One.Cafc43v3r said:
Why? I can't make a 500 mile round trip on on a Tuesday night. Its either £10 in the clubs sky rocket or nothing. What do you, or anyone else gain if I can't legally watch it?shirty5 said:
No offence but you live in North America and watch it regardless. I’m talking about the individuals who will pay a. Tenner and sit indoorsct_addick said:Nope. Paid for my season ticket and fully expect to see every game unless its shown here in USA and they can't show it. Love watching Scott, Curbs and the guests. Best thing the club has done in a long while.0 - Sponsored links:
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Streaming is here. You can’t pick and choose to stream or not to stream.2
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The owner is more than happy to take a hit on match day ticket revenue today, so how about going the opposite and scraping the steam to see how much more money he can make through the turnstilesMrOneLung said:Streaming is here. You can’t pick and choose to stream or not to stream.4 -
Streaming doesn’t make any, or very little difference. It’s the same with music, you can stream everything now, record sales are dead in the water; but live shows are still showing growth; because it’s not an experience that can be replicated any other way other than being there.
if someone wants to go to the game then they will.4 -
Hes already said he wants to take Charlton to a global audience. Add in the fact that you potentially piss off regulars that can’t make it, that’s a terrible idea. Who wants to go, will go.shirty5 said:
The owner is more than happy to take a hit on match day ticket revenue today, so how about going the opposite and scraping the steam to see how much more money he can make through the turnstilesMrOneLung said:Streaming is here. You can’t pick and choose to stream or not to stream.9 -
Yep, I think (hopefully) steaming is here to stay.Having moved to Gloucestershire a year ago I think I will only make a trip to The Valley a couple of times a season going forward and really can’t see me doing it at all for a midweek game. Regardless of whether I travelled by trains or car, it would be a horrible journey for a midweek game, although I am sure others do make similar journeys to get to matches. At least the club will get £10/game out of me and I would be happy to pay more.11
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Sorry. Let me get this straight. You want to make the match unavailable to supporters online to force fans to turn up in person?shirty5 said:Ipswich have sold out their 3,000 plus allocation so how about cancelling the stream(Bar the overseas people and individuals who get around it with dodgy links) and getting behind the boys in the flesh.
The noise must drive the boys on
It costs me around £300 to watch Charlton. Train, hotel in London, the most rapacious tourist location in the UK.
I assume you have a top price season ticket?
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How many fans do you actually know who now watch a stream instead of going to a home match by choice?
I do not know of one personally..1 -
I'm probably going to stay at home & stream it, but that's because my recent eye surgery has meant that driving at night is not great.Redrobo said:How many fans do you actually know who now watch a stream instead of going to a home match by choice?
I do not know of one personally..
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Some people live in a dreamworld !!! Actually having the front to knock fellow supporters who have no chance of getting to the game on a Tuesday evening or every saturday. I get to 1 game a month at the valley ( was there today ) and I bring my misses and 2 kids it's a 5 hour journey if we are lucky then a hotel then 5 hours home. I stream every game I cant get to but u seriously think I'm cheating the club ???? I will be at Morcombe on Tuesday and Shrewsbury on Saturday will you @shirty5 ? Fairplay if you are but dont start knocking fans who due to geographic reasons cant get to the valley mate13
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shirty5 said:
Before Covid kicked in 18 months ago how else would you have watched a Charlton game then midweek. Was that facility available after we got relegated to League One.Cafc43v3r said:
Why? I can't make a 500 mile round trip on on a Tuesday night. Its either £10 in the clubs sky rocket or nothing. What do you, or anyone else gain if I can't legally watch it?shirty5 said:
No offence but you live in North America and watch it regardless. I’m talking about the individuals who will pay a. Tenner and sit indoorsct_addick said:Nope. Paid for my season ticket and fully expect to see every game unless its shown here in USA and they can't show it. Love watching Scott, Curbs and the guests. Best thing the club has done in a long while.From 2017, by signing up to the opposition's iFollow service as outlined in this thread:
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/78300/streaming-games-from-outside-the-u-k-2017-18/p7Not that I did that myself for various reasons, but plenty of other people did. I vaguely remember that when stream availability was widened after lockdown some people had multiple iFollow registrations that they had to cancel because they'd signed up to various other clubs to watch our games when we played them.3 - Sponsored links:
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Its a midweek game... You dont need a VPN to watch us.ct_addick said:
Oh you mean the people that use a VPN......don't really see a way around that. Can understand that if they are old and immobile but if I were living there I would be at every game.shirty5 said:
No offence but you live in North America and watch it regardless. I’m talking about the individuals who will pay a. Tenner and sit indoorsct_addick said:Nope. Paid for my season ticket and fully expect to see every game unless its shown here in USA and they can't show it. Love watching Scott, Curbs and the guests. Best thing the club has done in a long while.
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I simply didn't. Although all our championship midweek games were in the sky red button.shirty5 said:
Before Covid kicked in 18 months ago how else would you have watched a Charlton game then midweek. Was that facility available after we got relegated to League One.Cafc43v3r said:
Why? I can't make a 500 mile round trip on on a Tuesday night. Its either £10 in the clubs sky rocket or nothing. What do you, or anyone else gain if I can't legally watch it?shirty5 said:
No offence but you live in North America and watch it regardless. I’m talking about the individuals who will pay a. Tenner and sit indoorsct_addick said:Nope. Paid for my season ticket and fully expect to see every game unless its shown here in USA and they can't show it. Love watching Scott, Curbs and the guests. Best thing the club has done in a long while.1 -
Agree completely. Up until age 18 I lived within 3 miles of The Valley. Then life happened. In the intervening 48 years I have at times lived as close as 50-60 miles away when I have had a season ticket but other times hundreds and then thousands of miles away. People just move around more than they did 50-60 years ago. But I have always remained a supporter and I will try to get my “ fix” even if I can’t get to games so easily. My wife and I were dancing around the living room yesterday after the goals went in.AndyG said:Some people live in a dreamworld !!! Actually having the front to knock fellow supporters who have no chance of getting to the game on a Tuesday evening or every saturday. I get to 1 game a month at the valley ( was there today ) and I bring my misses and 2 kids it's a 5 hour journey if we are lucky then a hotel then 5 hours home. I stream every game I cant get to but u seriously think I'm cheating the club ???? I will be at Morcombe on Tuesday and Shrewsbury on Saturday will you @shirty5 ? Fairplay if you are but dont start knocking fans who due to geographic reasons cant get to the valley mateFootball is constantly having to readjust its relationship with the screening of the game. Live league games showing on Sky on Sunday afternoons was seen as a revolution. Since then we have had changes such as games screened on Monday evenings, Saturday lunchtimes, Saturday evenings, further competition from BT Sport and Amazon. Streaming services are similarly evolving with iFollow, Charlton TV. I think that eventually the EFL will relax their rules regarding domestic screening of games at 3pm on a Saturday and there will be no need then for UK based supporters to subscribe under cover of a European VPN.2 -
I don’t think this issue is about forcing people to attend, but there is a conundrum here for EFL clubs, like it or not. The availability of cheap streaming services which can be watched by multiple people will impact what they can charge for season tickets and match tickets over time. It can’t do otherwise. The question is how much and whether there are ways to mitigate it.7
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The fixtures came out in June which gives plenty of time for people to plan what games they can and can’t attend. If you now live so far away from the Valley, that clearly makes it more difficult for you to get there.AndyG said:Some people live in a dreamworld !!! Actually having the front to knock fellow supporters who have no chance of getting to the game on a Tuesday evening or every saturday. I get to 1 game a month at the valley ( was there today ) and I bring my misses and 2 kids it's a 5 hour journey if we are lucky then a hotel then 5 hours home. I stream every game I cant get to but u seriously think I'm cheating the club ???? I will be at Morcombe on Tuesday and Shrewsbury on Saturday will you @shirty5 ? Fairplay if you are but dont start knocking fans who due to geographic reasons cant get to the valley mate
However midweek home games this season have been poorly attended with the AC and West stands particularly sparse. Streaming has an effect on those gates, where people have the option to sit indoors and watch it. When it would be more beneficial to local businesses (Pubs, Take aways, Burger Bars) and the club (Food, the fans bar, Shop) for people to attend especially if the owner wants his Fill the Valley initiative to be fulfilled.
And I wasn’t talking about Saturday games, so unless you live overseas then there is no possible way you can watch it on a steam. Unless it’s one of those VPN loopholes, which the Football authorities will eventually get around to put an end to.0 -
And ban highlights on Sky sports news whilst you are at it. The only way to see the goals should be live or on the clubs end of season dvd8
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Eventually admission fees and Season Tickets will go up, as these owners have not got a bottomless pit of money.Airman Brown said:I don’t think this issue is about forcing people to attend, but there is a conundrum here for EFL clubs, like it or not. The availability of cheap streaming services which can be watched by multiple people will impact what they can charge for season tickets and match tickets over time. It can’t do otherwise. The question is how much and whether there are ways to mitigate it.0 -
What a sad, selfish opening post by someone whose views I normally respect.
You can see from this board we now have hundreds of supporters who because of work, retirement, love or other reasons now live miles away from SE London. There's no way the vast majority of those people are going to go on a midweek evening. But I suspect many still want to watch the game and are happy to pay to do so.
Throw in many more people like myself who no longer want to go to midweek games as getting home well after midnight is no longer an attractive option and banning streaming is simply depriving people like me of watching a game I'm more than happy to pay to do.
In fact, I'll go further. People who think streaming can be stopped are complete Luddites - they remind me of printers in the 1980s who thought computers would never replace their type setting skills. It's not going away. Sure there is a debate to be had about its cost and the time it operates (the ban on Saturday 3 oclock fixtures is absurd given VPNs) but it is here to stay.
As others have said, if you want to go to the game you will. Watching live in a stadium with others cannot be beaten. But for those of us who can't get to games for one reason or another streaming is a very good alternative.11 -
Midweek games are £10 for anyone to view as they're not restricted by football broadcasting rules.ct_addick said:
Oh you mean the people that use a VPN......don't really see a way around that. Can understand that if they are old and immobile but if I were living there I would be at every game.shirty5 said:
No offence but you live in North America and watch it regardless. I’m talking about the individuals who will pay a. Tenner and sit indoorsct_addick said:Nope. Paid for my season ticket and fully expect to see every game unless its shown here in USA and they can't show it. Love watching Scott, Curbs and the guests. Best thing the club has done in a long while.1 -
This forum is about debates and opinions. Cause someone has a different opinion on an issue, it does not they are right or wrong.Fortune 82nd Minute said:What a sad, selfish opening post by someone whose views I normally respect.
You can see from this board we now have hundreds of supporters who because of work, retirement, love or other reasons now live miles away from SE London. There's no way the vast majority of those people are going to go on a midweek evening. But I suspect many still want to watch the game and are happy to pay to do so.
Throw in many more people like myself who no longer want to go to midweek games as getting home well after midnight is no longer an attractive option and banning streaming is simply depriving people like me of watching a game I'm more than happy to pay to do.
In fact, I'll go further. People who think streaming can be stopped are complete Luddites - they remind me of printers in the 1980s who thought computers would never replace their type setting skills. It's not going away. Sure there is a debate to be had about its cost and the time it operates (the ban on Saturday 3 oclock fixtures is absurd given VPNs) but it is here to stay.
As others have said, if you want to go to the game you will. Watching live in a stadium with others cannot be beaten. But for those of us who can't get to games for one reason or another streaming is a very good alternative.
However, to say I’m being sad and selfish is harsh when someone has a different view1
