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Ipswich 7th December- No Streaming
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It would be really interesting to get a breakdown on where people are streaming from. My hunch is that a lot of the streamers are people like me who live far away and that the people who normally go to the home games with family and friends are less likely to get the stream because its just not the same as being in the ground and pre- and post-game activities.
In a normal year I'll maybe go to 5 home games and so I've never considered buying a season ticket, but if the season ticket included free streaming I think I would be tempted.3 -
Unfortunately this would result in a seat which was rarely used and normally empty - albeit fully paid for!addickson said:It would be really interesting to get a breakdown on where people are streaming from. My hunch is that a lot of the streamers are people like me who live far away and that the people who normally go to the home games with family and friends are less likely to get the stream because its just not the same as being in the ground and pre- and post-game activities.
In a normal year I'll maybe go to 5 home games and so I've never considered buying a season ticket, but if the season ticket included free streaming I think I would be tempted.
This is exactly what Shirty wants to avoid and I would agree on this one!
But it would be nice to embrace streaming in the "normal" system with streaming season tickets available offering transfers to seats when desired together with the usual point system entitling them to first options on tickets for over subscribed play-off or away fixtures etc.
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I have a ST and don't usually go midweek because a mixture of working from home in West London and a minor but annoying disability means that the journey is a pain and gets me home after midnight. If the Ipswich stream is turned off then I just won't be there and won't have paid an extra tenner. Equally, I'll be watching Tuesday and it seems odd to me that I am paying less than half what anyone is paying just for a ticket to get into the ground, before travel and food and drink. I think it would be fair to charge me whatever the rate for getting into Morecambe is.
I could imagine a scenario where a stream could become part of a ST package in some way.
What we can't do is turn the clock back, it's part of how entertainment will be sold now, whether we like it or not.4 -
Technically streaming is only available to overseas football followers by agreement with the EFL on Saturdays. The EFL have agreed to streaming for away fans for midweek games only and not certain if this is only league 1 and 2.0
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Yes, but the point is, it's online and the people on here with their VPNs are enjoying the coverage. All we are doing is choosing which barriers to put up.msomerton said:Technically streaming is only available to overseas football followers by agreement with the EFL on Saturdays. The EFL have agreed to streaming for away fans for midweek games only and not certain if this is only league 1 and 2.0 -
Technically I think we can all agree that the EFL are a bunch of wankers.4
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As the only income generator in a household with two kids in a not particularly cheap part of the country, I think I'd rather chip in a £10 weekly than around £100 to rush, battle traffic and sit in the cold. Sure the atmosphere can be great, but that doesn't remove my other costs and expenses and family comes first5
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The earlier poster who used the example of the 1980's printers is spot on. People can try and stop technology but it always ends in failure. A decent example of the positive side of streaming for the club ( not my pocket lol ) is normally I come down for games on my own or very occasionally with my wife, due to streaming every week 2 of my kids 17 and 14 are now insisting they come and are probably the only teenage charlton fans in North Wales. Yesterday they were in the club shop buying all sorts ! We all know the pain of getting the Charlton bug as youngsters and I have no doubt that they will carry on the family tradition now they have it. Without watching the stream they would never have wanted to go to the Valley. TS wants to expand the fan base as it makes financial sense and you cant ignore everyone who is not local anymore. Folks we live in a Global world and trying to stay in your comfort zone only ends one way7
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Years ago as a season ticket holder I made the decision to dip out of a lot of mid week games. Only due to logistics and the need to be able to get up and do my job the following day
Now Greenwich Council have got their parking gestapo out on all the roads I used to park on and the train being an unfettered nightmare I'm consigned to no mid weekend and to be honest it also makes Saturday games a pain in the dick, not by any means impossible just another pain in the arse. Anyone who has stood waiting for a bus replacement as Gravesend will attest to this
Going to games is always my number 1 choice but I'm incredibly glad I can access a excellent quality stream of the game if I cannot make it3 -
Just re-read this and... Well...Dazzler21 said:As the only income generator in a household with two kids in a not particularly cheap part of the country, I think I'd rather chip in a £10 weekly than around £100 to rush, battle traffic and sit in the cold. Sure the atmosphere can be great, but that doesn't remove my other costs and expenses and family comes first
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It could have the opposite effect. If the club is making significant amounts from the streaming having large attendances improves the atmosphere and in turn the product. What has impressed me about Sandgaard is that he looks at these things as opportunities rather than something to fight against. If it is done well and it could introduce and reintroduce a lot of supporters to the club.shirty5 said:
Eventually admission fees and Season Tickets will go up, as these owners have not got a bottomless pit of money.Airman Brown said:I don’t think this issue is about forcing people to attend, but there is a conundrum here for EFL clubs, like it or not. The availability of cheap streaming services which can be watched by multiple people will impact what they can charge for season tickets and match tickets over time. It can’t do otherwise. The question is how much and whether there are ways to mitigate it.
What I am fed up with is supporters telling other supporters how they should support the club. There may be all sorts of good reasons why some supporters can't go to every game. Also, the most important supporters are not the 'best' supporters but those the club has to work for and a handful of sanctimonious supporters don't help.
It seems to me a problem with a few people that they want everything to stay the same but the problem is things don't. You have to embrace and find the opportunities in change because if you don't you get left behind.11 -
Just got the email through about watching the Morecambe game on Charlton live for £10.
And then think what a mug I am going to the game and it costing over £400.0 -
I'd like to attend, but midweek's are a no-no for me, as I'm up at 3am every morning, so I'll be watching this one in Amsterdam, or Berlin, Paris, US............
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The cat’s out of the bag, simple as that.If you ban it in the U.K., you’re going to get people using VPNs. If you scrap Charlton TV altogether, Charlton fans will just use the other team’s streaming service.
I haven’t been to a game in person since 2017 and EFL streaming, whether it was other clubs iFollow or now CharltonTV, has been an absolute lifesaver for me.4 -
Living in Spain, I was never going to see more than a game or two at the Valley, and my annual pilgrimmage home this year coincided with two away fixtures so no Valley for me. So I'm overjoyed at the streaming service for those of us living abroad (someone should tell them i'ts a big commute to get th the Valley from the Republic of Ireland so maybe throw them a free stream too!) and was even vaguely enjoying the experience under Adkins while lamenting that it arrived in our worst ever season. Now? get in there. And seriously, they need to consider opening it up for UK residents too. Technology grinds ever forward and football needs to adapt.3
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Well done. Would be tempted myself if I were in UK and make a trip to the Lake District. One of my favorite places visited in UK.clb74 said:Just got the email through about watching the Morecambe game on Charlton live for £10.
And then think what a mug I am going to the game and it costing over £400.1 -
I don't know your circumstances and you don't have to say but I wondered why you haven't been to a game for four years.Callumcafc said:The cat’s out of the bag, simple as that.If you ban it in the U.K., you’re going to get people using VPNs. If you scrap Charlton TV altogether, Charlton fans will just use the other team’s streaming service.
I haven’t been to a game in person since 2017 and EFL streaming, whether it was other clubs iFollow or now CharltonTV, has been an absolute lifesaver for me.0 -
As a ST holder who can't make midweek games I can only see the game on CATV! So I hope the streaming continues!5
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What gives more funds to the club , signing up £60 for Charlton TV and £10 per home stream for league games = £290
or a season ticket in the covered end 🤷♂️Against that there’s only 1 ticket per household but kids season tickets are pretty cheap in the family stand .0 -
Think Callum lives in the US of Asouthamptonaddick said:
I don't know your circumstances and you don't have to say but I wondered why you haven't been to a game for four years.Callumcafc said:The cat’s out of the bag, simple as that.If you ban it in the U.K., you’re going to get people using VPNs. If you scrap Charlton TV altogether, Charlton fans will just use the other team’s streaming service.
I haven’t been to a game in person since 2017 and EFL streaming, whether it was other clubs iFollow or now CharltonTV, has been an absolute lifesaver for me.3 - Sponsored links:
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There are some big questions here. Firstly, currently does streaming add to our net income or reduce it? Secondly, if it doesn't add to our income, do projections show that it is likely to? I would imagine it does or is deemed to be likely to given the effort the club has put into it.
Then you need to look at the answer to the question of whether it will grow our active support and whether there could be a move to clubs managing their own TV revenues to a greater extent, probably driven by the big clubs, good or bad it could happen.
Putting bums on seats is ultimately driven by success. The better we do on the pitch the more people will watch us and I would be confident that will be at the Valley and via a stream. A the top of the Championship or in the Premier League, we will sell out most games. How do we know it? We have seen it where you pretty much had to have a season ticket to reliably see us play a few years back.0 -
Are you traveling up in a limo with strippers and cocaine?clb74 said:Just got the email through about watching the Morecambe game on Charlton live for £10.
And then think what a mug I am going to the game and it costing over £400.2 -
I would imagine the service must increase revenue for the club, I can’t imagine more than a handful of people are staying at home and streaming if going to the game is a viable option.The vast majority of those streaming wouldn’t be attending either way so almost all of the income would be ‘extra’1
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I think shirty5 probably meant well and meant those locally (whilst meaning well).But hey ho lets cancel him. This forum sometimes. 🙈1
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Said literally no one, you snowflakes sometimes 🙈2121 said:I think shirty5 probably meant well and meant those locally (whilst meaning well).But hey ho lets cancel him. This forum sometimes. 🙈5 -
I see this the other way around. Make ticket prices cheaper not streaming more expensive.MrOneLung said:
Make it same price as a ticketclb74 said:My question is
Should you be able to stream the ,Ipswich game for half the price it cost for a ticket to the game?The finances of football are all wrong as we know and making it an expensive hobby is not the answer.It needs to be affordable for al.3 -
As a season ticket holder I will be looking to attend 18 home games.
If streaming becomes available for all games I might attend 10 games at the Valley
Do we want to take my season ticket money and not worry whether I attend the games or watch them on a stream?
If streaming becomes available for all games we will have less fans in the ground.
Is this good for the game?0 -
On reflection live streaming will never catch on. Now where is this limo picking up from later....Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Are you traveling up in a limo with strippers and cocaine?clb74 said:Just got the email through about watching the Morecambe game on Charlton live for £10.
And then think what a mug I am going to the game and it costing over £400.2 -
Be nice.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Are you traveling up in a limo with strippers and cocaine?clb74 said:Just got the email through about watching the Morecambe game on Charlton live for £10.
And then think what a mug I am going to the game and it costing over £400.
Train, hotel,ticket , spending money and 2 days off work.2 -
2121 said:I think shirty5 probably meant well and meant those locally (whilst meaning well).But hey ho lets cancel him. This forum sometimes. 🙈
A lot of people appear to be missing the point here.We had 23000 home fans last Saturday. The next home game on a Tuesday night we will be looking around 8000, whilst Ipswich have a full house in the away end. Those 8000 will make a hell of a noise. We need bums on seats to create an atmosphere.Don’t panic. They won’t cancel the stream. I was not advocating cancelling the stream on a permanent basis. But just on a one off to try and get more people inside the Valley.There is nothing sadly stopping watching all 46 league games on a VPN these days and there is nothing illegal about that, but technology has made it much easier for people not to get out of there armchairs and watch football live again in the flesh.That’s a sad state of affairs3
