Harry Arter signs on loan from Forest (and now returned in Jan p6)

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Garrymanilow said:

Shame really. Seemed a logical signing when Dobson wasn't getting time under Adkins but never really found fitness. I think it was Fleetwood where he looked strong and committed but as soon as Dobson came back in there was no way back for Arter. He's not cheap to keep around so it made no sense to keep him in reserve. That's a decent chunk off the wage bill so hopefully we can go in for Wiredu now and get a younger, fitter player for less money

I know many people have trashed Arter, but he's been a victim of circumstance as much as anything ..... change of manager, change of gameplan, etc.

Like several summer signings, Arter came to us lacking match fitness.
To be fair, he probably just needed to play games.

But as you say, he never really got that chance after the emergence of Dobson.

Oggy Red said:

Garrymanilow said:

Shame really. Seemed a logical signing when Dobson wasn't getting time under Adkins but never really found fitness. I think it was Fleetwood where he looked strong and committed but as soon as Dobson came back in there was no way back for Arter. He's not cheap to keep around so it made no sense to keep him in reserve. That's a decent chunk off the wage bill so hopefully we can go in for Wiredu now and get a younger, fitter player for less money

I know many people have trashed Arter, but he's been a victim of circumstance as much as anything ..... change of manager, change of gameplan, etc.

Like several summer signings, Arter came to us lacking match fitness.
To be fair, he probably just needed to play games.

But as you say, he never really got that chance after the emergence of Dobson.

Yeah he clearly struggled with fitness and then as he was starting to get going, he picked up a niggling injury/injuries. He did have a couple games where he bossed things and looked our best player. But he couldn't sustain it. Even if his legs ate going, he had the technical ability and range of passing to be effective at this level, but with Jacko coming in and wanting more mobility and more pressing from his entire team, let alone his midfield, Arter at this stage of his career was never likely to be a good fit.

To those saying this is a sign of our bad summer window I think are being hyperbolic. It was a punt, yes, but we're in League One having to build a squad in one transfer window. A player with good pedigree who is high risk but high reward is the type of player you can take a chance on. And to be fair, in Watson, Dobson, Clare, and Gilbey we have good coverage in the 4 and 8 roles which means that if Arter works out and is a class above, then great, you have a player who likely bosses things in L1. But if not, you have cover.

Best of luck to him. Hope he finds some more success somewhere, he was a delight to watch in that Bournemouth midfield in the Prem. 

Quite frankly, an awful signing. Stop these 'Big fish' signings. They don't work. 

Cafc43v3r said:

SDAddick said:

Oggy Red said:

Garrymanilow said:

Shame really. Seemed a logical signing when Dobson wasn't getting time under Adkins but never really found fitness. I think it was Fleetwood where he looked strong and committed but as soon as Dobson came back in there was no way back for Arter. He's not cheap to keep around so it made no sense to keep him in reserve. That's a decent chunk off the wage bill so hopefully we can go in for Wiredu now and get a younger, fitter player for less money

I know many people have trashed Arter, but he's been a victim of circumstance as much as anything ..... change of manager, change of gameplan, etc.

Like several summer signings, Arter came to us lacking match fitness.
To be fair, he probably just needed to play games.

But as you say, he never really got that chance after the emergence of Dobson.

Yeah he clearly struggled with fitness and then as he was starting to get going, he picked up a niggling injury/injuries. He did have a couple games where he bossed things and looked our best player. But he couldn't sustain it. Even if his legs ate going, he had the technical ability and range of passing to be effective at this level, but with Jacko coming in and wanting more mobility and more pressing from his entire team, let alone his midfield, Arter at this stage of his career was never likely to be a good fit.

To those saying this is a sign of our bad summer window I think are being hyperbolic. It was a punt, yes, but we're in League One having to build a squad in one transfer window. A player with good pedigree who is high risk but high reward is the type of player you can take a chance on. And to be fair, in Watson, Dobson, Clare, and Gilbey we have good coverage in the 4 and 8 roles which means that if Arter works out and is a class above, then great, you have a player who likely bosses things in L1. But if not, you have cover.

Best of luck to him. Hope he finds some more success somewhere, he was a delight to watch in that Bournemouth midfield in the Prem. 

That's exactly why our summer business was so bad.   It was not good enough, quick enough.  We ended up with too many players that weren't fit enough.

We chucked the first 4 games because the team wasn't good enough, then we had to have preseason during the season. 

We might have got away with it if Inniss, Gilbey and Purrington were fit, they weren't, we knew that weeks before the season started. 

I was surprised when I heard that we were looking for unfit players that were were not good enough, and totally shocked when I heard that they were off down the pub as there was no rush and pre season was overrated.
The most worrying thing is that if it had not been for injuries they would have got away with it. 

He was as about as useful as me to the team but I wouldn’t have been cheaper. 
I know some loans have worked out for us in the past but I mostly get the impression that loan players always have their eyes elsewhere. 

Redrobo said:

Cafc43v3r said:

SDAddick said:

Oggy Red said:

Garrymanilow said:

Shame really. Seemed a logical signing when Dobson wasn't getting time under Adkins but never really found fitness. I think it was Fleetwood where he looked strong and committed but as soon as Dobson came back in there was no way back for Arter. He's not cheap to keep around so it made no sense to keep him in reserve. That's a decent chunk off the wage bill so hopefully we can go in for Wiredu now and get a younger, fitter player for less money

I know many people have trashed Arter, but he's been a victim of circumstance as much as anything ..... change of manager, change of gameplan, etc.

Like several summer signings, Arter came to us lacking match fitness.
To be fair, he probably just needed to play games.

But as you say, he never really got that chance after the emergence of Dobson.

Yeah he clearly struggled with fitness and then as he was starting to get going, he picked up a niggling injury/injuries. He did have a couple games where he bossed things and looked our best player. But he couldn't sustain it. Even if his legs ate going, he had the technical ability and range of passing to be effective at this level, but with Jacko coming in and wanting more mobility and more pressing from his entire team, let alone his midfield, Arter at this stage of his career was never likely to be a good fit.

To those saying this is a sign of our bad summer window I think are being hyperbolic. It was a punt, yes, but we're in League One having to build a squad in one transfer window. A player with good pedigree who is high risk but high reward is the type of player you can take a chance on. And to be fair, in Watson, Dobson, Clare, and Gilbey we have good coverage in the 4 and 8 roles which means that if Arter works out and is a class above, then great, you have a player who likely bosses things in L1. But if not, you have cover.

Best of luck to him. Hope he finds some more success somewhere, he was a delight to watch in that Bournemouth midfield in the Prem. 

That's exactly why our summer business was so bad.   It was not good enough, quick enough.  We ended up with too many players that weren't fit enough.

We chucked the first 4 games because the team wasn't good enough, then we had to have preseason during the season. 

We might have got away with it if Inniss, Gilbey and Purrington were fit, they weren't, we knew that weeks before the season started. 

I was surprised when I heard that we were looking for unfit players that were were not good enough, and totally shocked when I heard that they were off down the pub as there was no rush and pre season was overrated.
The most worrying thing is that if it had not been for injuries they would have got away with it. 

I would like to think it wasn't deliberately done, but that's what ended up happening.  Or do you honestly think the recruitment was good enough to give us a chance form the off? 

I was excited by Arter signing, thought he would add some quality to the midfield and be a nice break from the pain of watching the Watson and Pratley partnership last season. After playing in the prem for so long and only being 31 when he signed, thought he'd have a lot to offer in this crappy league. There was a picture of him celebrating an away victory he played in (can't remember against who) and he looked really up for it. Strange how it turned out but we'll continue to make some signings that work out and some that don't. 

thenewbie said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Redrobo said:

Cafc43v3r said:

SDAddick said:

Oggy Red said:

Garrymanilow said:

Shame really. Seemed a logical signing when Dobson wasn't getting time under Adkins but never really found fitness. I think it was Fleetwood where he looked strong and committed but as soon as Dobson came back in there was no way back for Arter. He's not cheap to keep around so it made no sense to keep him in reserve. That's a decent chunk off the wage bill so hopefully we can go in for Wiredu now and get a younger, fitter player for less money

I know many people have trashed Arter, but he's been a victim of circumstance as much as anything ..... change of manager, change of gameplan, etc.

Like several summer signings, Arter came to us lacking match fitness.
To be fair, he probably just needed to play games.

But as you say, he never really got that chance after the emergence of Dobson.

Yeah he clearly struggled with fitness and then as he was starting to get going, he picked up a niggling injury/injuries. He did have a couple games where he bossed things and looked our best player. But he couldn't sustain it. Even if his legs ate going, he had the technical ability and range of passing to be effective at this level, but with Jacko coming in and wanting more mobility and more pressing from his entire team, let alone his midfield, Arter at this stage of his career was never likely to be a good fit.

To those saying this is a sign of our bad summer window I think are being hyperbolic. It was a punt, yes, but we're in League One having to build a squad in one transfer window. A player with good pedigree who is high risk but high reward is the type of player you can take a chance on. And to be fair, in Watson, Dobson, Clare, and Gilbey we have good coverage in the 4 and 8 roles which means that if Arter works out and is a class above, then great, you have a player who likely bosses things in L1. But if not, you have cover.

Best of luck to him. Hope he finds some more success somewhere, he was a delight to watch in that Bournemouth midfield in the Prem. 

That's exactly why our summer business was so bad.   It was not good enough, quick enough.  We ended up with too many players that weren't fit enough.

We chucked the first 4 games because the team wasn't good enough, then we had to have preseason during the season. 

We might have got away with it if Inniss, Gilbey and Purrington were fit, they weren't, we knew that weeks before the season started. 

I was surprised when I heard that we were looking for unfit players that were were not good enough, and totally shocked when I heard that they were off down the pub as there was no rush and pre season was overrated.
The most worrying thing is that if it had not been for injuries they would have got away with it. 

I would like to think it wasn't deliberately done, but that's what ended up happening.  Or do you honestly think the recruitment was good enough to give us a chance form the off? 

I remain unconvinced that the physical fitness was ever QUITE as big an issue as we thought, compared to issues with the coaching and leadership from Adkins.

Not that it wasn't an issue at all, but the exact same players all looked 10 times fitter and more capable after less than a week with Jackson's coaching. For that to happen across the board as it did says to me that the problem was at least partially a mental one. 

The "fitness issues" highlighted in the Bolton and Accrington games wasn't as much of an issue as we all thought at the time because there is no way they just suddenly got fit in 48 hours.  That was players not playing for the manager, each other or what ever else. 

However prior to that CBT, Leko, Arter, Sourse, Lee weren't because they hadn't been playing and Gilbey and Purrington needed "minutes".  Even Watson didn't have a preseason and we only had 3 fit midfielders, including him, at one stage.

Any manager would have struggled in the first 7 or 8 games.  We could have and should have turned it round quicker.  We didn't. That's why Adkins lost his job. 

Maccn05 said:

Scoham said:

Maccn05 said:

This wasn’t a surprise to me as my many Fulham season ticket holding mates all said his legs and gone 2/3 seasons ago.

I wonder why the Black Box didn’t pick up on that when they did?

But even then I didn’t think it would go as bad as it actually has. Should have spent the money and gone back in for Dempsey

I doubt Arter was a black box signing. More a relatively big name who became available and we took a chance on him. Same with Souare. Leko another that likely wasn’t from the black box as we had loaned him before.

If that’s the case and the black box identified Dobson and Clare maybe we should use it for all our signings…

Where does Charlie Kirk fit in then is he box or non-box signing?

He never seems to get in the box ..... therefor, a non-box signing.

It was a typical panicked loan signing made at the end of a window. Didn't work out, was never likely to, now we move on.

I can’t disagree with whats been said about Arter, however I’d be wary of the wider narrative about not bringing in older players “on their way down”, as this sweeping generalisation conveniently ignores the success of one such player in recent times….


Darren Pratley…

PragueAddick said:

I can’t disagree with whats been said about Arter, however I’d be wary of the wider narrative about not bringing in older players “on their way down”, as this sweeping generalisation conveniently ignores the success of one such player in recent times….


Darren Pratley…

Or.... Yann Kermorgant