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Homophobic abuse at today's game (ed - Not Charlton fans)
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Until Britain's problematic relationship with alcohol and cocaine is at the very least acknowledged then little will change13
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Yes, it’s disgusting, but I find it quite encouraging that this has actually got the coverage and response it has. Both in the media and on here. As well as the response from the authorities and clubs.
It was only about 12 years ago I went to the Amex and vowed never to attend an away game within a few hours travelling as they bring the worst types out. About 300 people could have been arrested that day for homophobic chants. I also recall the casual abuse that Darren Ambrose used to get and being threatened by a fellow ‘fan’ in the covered end for picking him up on using such slurs.
while it’s depressing it still goes on, it also represents progress.2 -
About as cringe as middle aged men chanting that Charlton is "full of tits and fanny" next to their daughters. Away games seem to bring this shit out of certain ppl.26
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Games like this where it is a new ground, or the local derbies, tend to bring out the idiots.
Before the game had even started, and again at half time, there were Charlton fans rowing / threatening each other.
The saddest thing is that I completely expected it before the day had even happened. This was one of those games where you just knew the idiots would turn up for.Just f**k em off.1 -
Not just away games though is it!CAFCTrev said:About as cringe as middle aged men chanting that Charlton is "full of tits and fanny" next to their daughters. Away games seem to bring this shit out of certain ppl.You forgetting about the bottle and coin throwing at opposition players against Bolton and Accrington at home this season and the fighting between Charlton fans with each other against Accrington and Wycombe at home plus the drummer getting his nose blooded at another home game as well.
The vast majority who go away from home behave themselves!2 -
About what?cafctom said:Games like this where it is a new ground, or the local derbies, tend to bring out the idiots.
Before the game had even started, and again at half time, there were Charlton fans rowing / threatening each other.
The saddest thing is that I completely expected it before the day had even happened. This was one of those games where you just knew the idiots would turn up for.Just f**k em off.0 -
It’s not a big percentage but it is quite a big number . I don’t go to many away games now because of it .CAFCTrev said:About as cringe as middle aged men chanting that Charlton is "full of tits and fanny" next to their daughters. Away games seem to bring this shit out of certain ppl.2 -
Man United have sent out an email to fans attending the Wolves match warning them about their behavior after a Wolves player suffered discriminatory language in relation to his height!8
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Instead of banning everyone who displays a variety of rather obnoxious behaviours ~ sing louder! It will lift the team, drown out what is unpleasant and may even get everyone focussed on what it means to be a match day fan ~ to make some noise and get behind the team with passion. If the only ones doing this are obnoxious characters the problem I fear is with us in Row silent...2
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We have just like any other club a selection of morons who are not there to support our club, and i really don't understand why some bother.
I have been to a few away games this year and depending on the opposition out come the morons in their droves. At Oxford this year i had a great seat towards the back near the centre line, not good for some of our prize pricks, 2 of them had to stand on the same seat right next to me hindering my view, and spent the whole game gesturing to the oxford fans with the usual wank and two finger signs for almost the entire game.
One of them had no idea we had pulled a goal back from a penalty.
The vast majority of fans have a great day out enjoy the game and usually have a grumble after it. Those people who choose to do otherwise should be banned for life from all grounds. How you would police that I don't know.8 -
Why instead of?ValleyOfTears said:Instead of banning everyone who displays a variety of rather obnoxious behaviours ~ sing louder! It will lift the team, drown out what is unpleasant and may even get everyone focussed on what it means to be a match day fan ~ to make some noise and get behind the team with passion. If the only ones doing this are obnoxious characters the problem I fear is with us in Row silent...
Ban the fuckers and drown them out.7 -
There is a section of society that think that "free speech" at any cost is acceptable - there are certainly people who think that calling someone a poof is "bants" and anyone who thinks it is wrong is "one of the woke PC brigade". There may even be some like that on CL. There are figures in the media and in positions of power and influence who encourage - or at the very least do not discourage - that attitude.16
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Chris_from_Sidcup said:
About what?cafctom said:Games like this where it is a new ground, or the local derbies, tend to bring out the idiots.
Before the game had even started, and again at half time, there were Charlton fans rowing / threatening each other.
The saddest thing is that I completely expected it before the day had even happened. This was one of those games where you just knew the idiots would turn up for.Just f**k em off.
Not sure what it was about but someone got punched in the Hot Dog line. There seemed to be some differences of opinion between a group of older fans and some younger fans. No idea what it was about and I don't think it was a big thing.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
About what?cafctom said:Games like this where it is a new ground, or the local derbies, tend to bring out the idiots.
Before the game had even started, and again at half time, there were Charlton fans rowing / threatening each other.
The saddest thing is that I completely expected it before the day had even happened. This was one of those games where you just knew the idiots would turn up for.Just f**k em off.0 -
The old mustard Vs ketchup debate got slightly out of hand.lonman said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:
About what?cafctom said:Games like this where it is a new ground, or the local derbies, tend to bring out the idiots.
Before the game had even started, and again at half time, there were Charlton fans rowing / threatening each other.
The saddest thing is that I completely expected it before the day had even happened. This was one of those games where you just knew the idiots would turn up for.Just f**k em off.
Not sure what it was about but someone got punched in the Hot Dog line. There seemed to be some differences of opinion between a group of older fans and some younger fans. No idea what it was about and I don't think it was a big thing.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
About what?cafctom said:Games like this where it is a new ground, or the local derbies, tend to bring out the idiots.
Before the game had even started, and again at half time, there were Charlton fans rowing / threatening each other.
The saddest thing is that I completely expected it before the day had even happened. This was one of those games where you just knew the idiots would turn up for.Just f**k em off.29 -
I've always hated us singing about the opposition, even when the songs could be deemed "appropriate".
"You're support is F*cking sh*t"
"Is this a library..."
"Your sister is..."
"Can we play you every week..."
"Your sh*t and you know you are..."
"Sh*t ground, no fans..."
All of these make me cringe because everyone could reasonably be sung at us (with the exception of one part of one song (shit ground))..and invariably we let in a goal or lose when we sing how shit the other team are...
There is a very simple principle that if adopted by all would at least remove the evidence of twats (even if it didnt remove the twats themselves (they'd soon get bored)) - sing about your own team, not the opposition or opposition players.
Sadly it will never happen.
One thing that could be changed however is players celebrating in front of or making gestures in front of opposition fans. This could be easily policed. If we can give yellow cards for taking a shirt off...
The principle would be that any goal celebration has to be clearly conducted in front of the teams fans or towards the centre of the pitch - players shouldn't be subject to being hit by objects, but remove the provocation in the first place and you are some way to resolving the problem.
I have been to a few games this season and there does seem to be an inordinate amount of dickheads compared with years gone by.
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The use of sticky threads on CL?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
About what?cafctom said:Games like this where it is a new ground, or the local derbies, tend to bring out the idiots.
Before the game had even started, and again at half time, there were Charlton fans rowing / threatening each other.
The saddest thing is that I completely expected it before the day had even happened. This was one of those games where you just knew the idiots would turn up for.Just f**k em off.3 -
A percentage of society is racist, similarly a percentage of society is homophobic, take drugs, drink to the point of losing self-control, and are overly influenced by crowd behaviour and peer pressure.A football crowd. the same as any relatively large gathering, will reflect society, and the percentages will be reflected in that crowd, including a Charlton crowd - plucky, family friendly, nicey, nicey Charlton are no different. Remove them - yes, but they will be replaced with others.The world has a high percentage of arseholes.
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There seem to be an argument about taking photos (in the corner near the big screen)0
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I was at the game yesterday and fwiw didn't hear any homophobic abuse. I think football attracts people from all different walks of life and that's one of the elements I enjoy. I get we have some idiots but no more than any other team. I've been to all the home games and 80% of away games this year and to be honest have yet to hear any racist or homophobic chants/abuse from any fans. Chanting creates the atmosphere, the Addams family chant is not to my taste being honest but I think Banning it because it's distasteful is probably OTT.
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Ouchlonman said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:
About what?cafctom said:Games like this where it is a new ground, or the local derbies, tend to bring out the idiots.
Before the game had even started, and again at half time, there were Charlton fans rowing / threatening each other.
The saddest thing is that I completely expected it before the day had even happened. This was one of those games where you just knew the idiots would turn up for.Just f**k em off.
Not sure what it was about but someone got punched in the Hot Dog line. There seemed to be some differences of opinion between a group of older fans and some younger fans. No idea what it was about and I don't think it was a big thing.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
About what?cafctom said:Games like this where it is a new ground, or the local derbies, tend to bring out the idiots.
Before the game had even started, and again at half time, there were Charlton fans rowing / threatening each other.
The saddest thing is that I completely expected it before the day had even happened. This was one of those games where you just knew the idiots would turn up for.Just f**k em off.11 -
Yes, you are right. The first is not strictly illegal (the Govt. are taking steps right now to drag the Football (Offences) Act into the 21st century by updating the wording of section 3. Whereas under section 4, going on to the playing area is an offence.cafcsinger said:Big difference between homophobic abuse and couple people going on the pitch in the 95th minute
The problem is that the main purpose of this legislation is to support the whole concept of banning orders for the obnoxious.
Consequently, CPS guidance to the (specialist) prosecutors and police forces is to, wherever possible, include a charge from other more effective legislation. So, for example, while throwing missiles* onto the playing area or into the crowd is an offence under the specific football-related legislation I suspect a perp is more likely to see a charge for assault also added to the indictment.
And, by the way, everyone is taking this seriously. So the CPS guidance says: Simple Cautions or Penalty Notices for Disorder will hardly ever be appropriate for football-related offences. So any pissed up moron who thinks this kind of thing is funny, might have a very different view when they realise they have just screwed up their entire future. Not that the hard-of-thinking are likely to comprehend that.
*Not including pigs or taxis obviously.
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Yes, wouldn't it be nice if there was a body in charge of football (are you listening FA, PL, EFL) that could take some action? Like maybe pay for the production of a leaflet to be issued at all grounds under their auspices? Said leaflet to spell out in no uncertain terms what the likely consequences are for stupid, illegal behaviour at football matches.Weegie Addick said:Really saddened to hear this. There has been a small but lairy minority for a while now but seems more regular and more prominent post Covid. Club needs to do more to ensure such behaviour is not accepted. Leave the tossers at Millwall.
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lonman said:I was at the game yesterday and fwiw didn't hear any homophobic abuse. I think football attracts people from all different walks of life and that's one of the elements I enjoy. I get we have some idiots but no more than any other team. I've been to all the home games and 80% of away games this year and to be honest have yet to hear any racist or homophobic chants/abuse from any fans. Chanting creates the atmosphere, the Addams family chant is not to my taste being honest but I think Banning it because it's distasteful is probably OTT.When you think about it, it's about as distasteful as you can get and i'd quite happily never hear it again.Not to distract from the OP but Lineker and Richards on MOTD this morning thought the mispronunciation Idah's name was great fun. Casual racism?
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Please tell me you’re joking.Baldybonce said:lonman said:I was at the game yesterday and fwiw didn't hear any homophobic abuse. I think football attracts people from all different walks of life and that's one of the elements I enjoy. I get we have some idiots but no more than any other team. I've been to all the home games and 80% of away games this year and to be honest have yet to hear any racist or homophobic chants/abuse from any fans. Chanting creates the atmosphere, the Addams family chant is not to my taste being honest but I think Banning it because it's distasteful is probably OTT.When you think about it, it's about as distasteful as you can get and i'd quite happily never hear it again.Not to distract from the OP but Lineker and Richards on MOTD this morning thought the mispronunciation Idah's name was great fun. Casual racism?4 -
I think we're both on the same page that it's distasteful. I feel we diverge on the best way to tackle it. In my opinion it doesn't need tackling. It is what it is.Baldybonce said:lonman said:I was at the game yesterday and fwiw didn't hear any homophobic abuse. I think football attracts people from all different walks of life and that's one of the elements I enjoy. I get we have some idiots but no more than any other team. I've been to all the home games and 80% of away games this year and to be honest have yet to hear any racist or homophobic chants/abuse from any fans. Chanting creates the atmosphere, the Addams family chant is not to my taste being honest but I think Banning it because it's distasteful is probably OTT.When you think about it, it's about as distasteful as you can get and i'd quite happily never hear it again.Not to distract from the OP but Lineker and Richards on MOTD this morning thought the mispronunciation Idah's name was great fun. Casual racism?
I'm not a Lineker fanboy but I think he is probably one of the last people you could label a 'casual racist' The chap has offered to house Cross Channel Asylum Seekers, supports a lot of the kick it out stuff and in my humble opinion as a white 40 something would appear to be an all inclusive type of guy.
For me if you go out to find something that offends you'll always find it.
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Ridiculous to even suggest it.Baldybonce said:lonman said:I was at the game yesterday and fwiw didn't hear any homophobic abuse. I think football attracts people from all different walks of life and that's one of the elements I enjoy. I get we have some idiots but no more than any other team. I've been to all the home games and 80% of away games this year and to be honest have yet to hear any racist or homophobic chants/abuse from any fans. Chanting creates the atmosphere, the Addams family chant is not to my taste being honest but I think Banning it because it's distasteful is probably OTT.When you think about it, it's about as distasteful as you can get and i'd quite happily never hear it again.Not to distract from the OP but Lineker and Richards on MOTD this morning thought the mispronunciation Idah's name was great fun. Casual racism?1 -
I wasn't at the game and didn't watch the stream so I'm a bit confused. What was actually chanted and was it directed at a player or just some random fan/fans?1
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He's 61!lonman said:
I think we're both on the same page that it's distasteful. I feel we diverge on the best way to tackle it. In my opinion it doesn't need tackling. It is what it is.Baldybonce said:lonman said:I was at the game yesterday and fwiw didn't hear any homophobic abuse. I think football attracts people from all different walks of life and that's one of the elements I enjoy. I get we have some idiots but no more than any other team. I've been to all the home games and 80% of away games this year and to be honest have yet to hear any racist or homophobic chants/abuse from any fans. Chanting creates the atmosphere, the Addams family chant is not to my taste being honest but I think Banning it because it's distasteful is probably OTT.When you think about it, it's about as distasteful as you can get and i'd quite happily never hear it again.Not to distract from the OP but Lineker and Richards on MOTD this morning thought the mispronunciation Idah's name was great fun. Casual racism?
I'm not a Lineker fanboy but I think he is probably one of the last people you could label a 'casual racist' The chap has offered to house Cross Channel Asylum Seekers, supports a lot of the kick it out stuff and in my humble opinion as a white 40 something would appear to be an all inclusive type of guy.
For me if you go out to find something that offends you'll always find it.0 -
There was a Policeman in the away end openly videoing our fans - I couldn’t believe how stupid some of the people around me were openly chanting homophobic abuse, and abuse at their goalkeeper, and the Policeman simply stood there and filmed them - they could see he was filming them, but carried on - idiots3
