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Our goal contribution from midfield this season
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I took these from Wikipedia (may be incorrect), and it includes all games this season, league and cups, and substitute appearances, but I thought it was worth sharing just to shine a light on how far off we are and why we need major surgery this summer
Charlie Kirk - 0 goals in 14 games
Alex Gilbey - 2 goals in 29 games (1 in the Papa John's)
Elliott Lee - 4 goals in 30 games (1 in the Papa John's)
Albie Morgan - 1 goal in 23 games
CBT - 1 goal in 25 (it was in the Papa John's)
George Dobson - 0 goals in 30 games
Jonathan Leko - 3 goals in 26 games (1 in the Papa John's)
DJ - 2 goals in 29 games
Ben Watson - 0 goals in 9 games
That's a total of 13 goals, across a combined 215 games
If you take out the Papa John's goals, 9 in League One, although the combined number of games will go down as well. I couldn't be bothered to look it up.
9 LEAGUE GOALS.
I know Dobson and Watson are defensive midfielders, and Watson hasn't really featured since Adkins left, but just let that sink in. It's terrible
Not sure what the assist stats are, I expect them to be marginally better, but if we're taking a moneyball type approach to recruitment which I believe we have been, then surely the same applies for who we want to retain
Charlie Kirk - 0 goals in 14 games
Alex Gilbey - 2 goals in 29 games (1 in the Papa John's)
Elliott Lee - 4 goals in 30 games (1 in the Papa John's)
Albie Morgan - 1 goal in 23 games
CBT - 1 goal in 25 (it was in the Papa John's)
George Dobson - 0 goals in 30 games
Jonathan Leko - 3 goals in 26 games (1 in the Papa John's)
DJ - 2 goals in 29 games
Ben Watson - 0 goals in 9 games
That's a total of 13 goals, across a combined 215 games
If you take out the Papa John's goals, 9 in League One, although the combined number of games will go down as well. I couldn't be bothered to look it up.
9 LEAGUE GOALS.
I know Dobson and Watson are defensive midfielders, and Watson hasn't really featured since Adkins left, but just let that sink in. It's terrible
Not sure what the assist stats are, I expect them to be marginally better, but if we're taking a moneyball type approach to recruitment which I believe we have been, then surely the same applies for who we want to retain
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This thread should act as gulag for any poster who's used the phrase 'This midfield has goals in them' this season.3
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Can we have the assist stats too?
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Lee 4Leuth said:Can we have the assist stats too?
Morgan 3
Leko 3
DJ 2
CBT 2
Fraser 1
Dobson 1
Gilbey 1
Kirk 1
From Opta via SofaScore app.0 -
From the Statbank, using the same playersCharlie Kirk - 0 assists in 14 games
Alex Gilbey - 4 assists in 29 games
Elliott Lee - 6 assists in 30 games
Albie Morgan - 4 assists in 23 games (1 was in the Papa John's)
CBT - 2 assists in 25 (1 was in the Papa John's)
George Dobson - 1 assist in 30 games
Jonathan Leko - 3 assists in 26 games
DJ - 2 assists in 29 games
Ben Watson - 0 assists in 9 games
22-assists...1 -
Gilbey doesn't have four fucking assists. Will go with the official line7
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(Kirk does have an assist, for instance. He passed to Leko before he scored against Fleetwood away)0
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It's because we don't gamble. I noticed twice last night that when we put crosses into the box and Milton Keynes cleared, we didn't have anyone on the edge of the box to pick up the ball and shoot at goal. The game between the attacking players and central midfielders is shockingly big0
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BBC has Kirk down with two assists...Leuth said:(Kirk does have an assist, for instance. He passed to Leko before he scored against Fleetwood away)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/charlton-athletic/top-scorers/assists1 -
Those stats say a lot , real lack of midfielders chipping in , which hopefully the addition of Fraser can help a bit but something that probably needs to be looked at in the summer. Ideally you'd want a 7-10 goal CM and same with the wingers.0
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Thanks mate. Marginally better as I had thought. 20 assists in League One, or are those also including the the 1 League Cup and 3 FA Cup games?ForeverAddickted said:From the Statbank, using the same playersCharlie Kirk - 0 assists in 14 games
Alex Gilbey - 4 assists in 29 games
Elliott Lee - 6 assists in 30 games
Albie Morgan - 4 assists in 23 games (1 was in the Papa John's)
CBT - 2 assists in 25 (1 was in the Papa John's)
George Dobson - 1 assist in 30 games
Jonathan Leko - 3 assists in 26 games
DJ - 2 assists in 29 games
Ben Watson - 0 assists in 9 games
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At this rate Fraser will still have Covid in the summerMarcusH26 said:Those stats say a lot , real lack of midfielders chipping in , which hopefully the addition of Fraser can help a bit but something that probably needs to be looked at in the summer. Ideally you'd want a 7-10 goal CM and same with the wingers.0 -
eaststandmike said:
At this rate Fraser will still have Covid in the summerMarcusH26 said:Those stats say a lot , real lack of midfielders chipping in , which hopefully the addition of Fraser can help a bit but something that probably needs to be looked at in the summer. Ideally you'd want a 7-10 goal CM and same with the wingers.
Just sums this season up , finally sign a creative goalscoring midfielder, makes 2 sub appearances and gets COVID.1 -
Kirk Played 14 games? He was so anonymous I thought he only played in 3 or 4.1
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pitiful contribution from a shot shy bunch .. as much of a worry is the number of 'midfielders' who have taken the field .. a mix of inconsistent selection player incompetence and injury .. this cannot go on
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I think we have to start questioning what is happening with the coaching of these players. DJ more goals and assists in fewer games for a team that was relegated from this league last year, Gilbey worse return already than last season, Kirk a good return last season with 6 goals and 8 assists with Crewe, Leko looks nothing like the player that left us last time, Lee started great but has fallen off a cliff and now has a much worse record than his season with Oxford last year.
I know the popular thing at the moment is to say all these players are crap but looking at stats and based on watching performances a large chunk of these players have regressed in their time at the club, that issue has to be addressed immediately as it won't matter who we bring in this summer if they become worse players during the season.5 -
Funny looking back at the start of the season to see how things actually turned out. Was always going to be hilarious in hindsight.
There's one post in my memory that predicted the amount of goals each player would get over the season (during complaints that a frontline of Stockley + Davison wasn't enough).
"Found it:
Stockley 15-20
DJ & Kirk 15-20 between them
Gilbey 5-10
Morgan 5
Clare 5
Inniss & other defenders 5
Washington 10
That’s a 60-75 goals. The numbers add up quickly."
Will remove the users name because that's not the point. Just shows the overall overating of our midfield and attack.3 -
Washington has 9 in 24 had it not been for the injury it would have been a surprise if he had not gotten to at least 15.SELR_addicks said:Funny looking back at the start of the season to see how things actually turned out. Was always going to be hilarious in hindsight.
Found it:
Stockley 15-20
DJ & Kirk 15-20 between them
Gilbey 5-10
Morgan 5
Clare 5
Inniss & other defenders 5
Washington 10
That’s a 60-75 goals. The numbers add up quickly.
Will remove the users name because that's not the point. Just shows the overall overating of our midfield and attack.3 -
It can, and it might, but lets hope not.Lincsaddick said:pitiful contribution from a shot shy bunch .. as much of a worry is the number of 'midfielders' who have taken the field .. a mix of inconsistent selection player incompetence and injury .. this cannot go on2 -
DJ ffsSELR_addicks said:Funny looking back at the start of the season to see how things actually turned out. Was always going to be hilarious in hindsight.
There's one post in my memory that predicted the amount of goals each player would get over the season (during complaints that a frontline of Stockley + Davison wasn't enough).
"Found it:
Stockley 15-20
DJ & Kirk 15-20 between them
Gilbey 5-10
Morgan 5
Clare 5
Inniss & other defenders 5
Washington 10
That’s a 60-75 goals. The numbers add up quickly."
Will remove the users name because that's not the point. Just shows the overall overating of our midfield and attack.1 -
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Clare has a goal from midfield. And a decent one too. Was it home against Pompey in a 2-2? Arrived late in the box and finished well.2
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it was .. if I recall . a backward pass from a free kick (taken by Lee ?) fooled the Pompey defenders , left Clare all alone, and he placed a terrific shot just inside their right hand postcantersaddick said:Clare has a goal from midfield. And a decent one too. Was it home against Pompey in a 2-2? Arrived late in the box and finished well.1 -
About all he did from midfield . People make mistakes but his raw stupidly on Saturday has turned me back off him .cantersaddick said:Clare has a goal from midfield. And a decent one too. Was it home against Pompey in a 2-2? Arrived late in the box and finished well.
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