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YTS1978 said:Cafc43v3r said:oohaahmortimer said:I’m sure I read this elsewhere but I got told this this week that Sandgaard made JJ pick Burstow to get an extra payment out of Chelsea2
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balham red said:Stu_of_Kunming said:balham red said:DamoNorthStand said:balham red said:DamoNorthStand said:balham red said:lancashire lad said:Braziliance said:So the guy that owns us, has been as honest and enthusiastic as possible & actually pumped money into us, along with making big managerial decisions, attends games despite living overseas and is extremely engaging with our fanbase isn’t Charlton? Right-o. What a waste of bandwidth
The loans were crap and clearly just meant as backups to tide us through the season if needed. As said, we had nothing to play for anyway.
Tell me another club in League One that signed 2 players in January better than Fraser and Chuks?
ITS NOT WORKING. Evidence is on the pitch - and the frightening thing is at the moment it looks more likely he actually would partake in the above rather than get us promoted. Even Roland managed that (the promotion not the farting down a trumpet)
Yeah. Zero chance that goes wrong.0 -
This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there4
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jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there18
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jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there
Not his fault it didn’t work?
He is quite literally the de facto leader of this business. By not recruiting a senior decision maker on a day to day basis to make these decisions - the responsibility can’t fall to anyone else but him. If it’s not his fault then who’s is it? When you place yourself at the top of the tree and refuse to put more experienced heads in place then you have nowhere to hide when it doesn’t work out.8 -
DamoNorthStand said:jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there
Not his fault it didn’t work?
He is quite literally the de facto leader of this business. By not recruiting a senior decision maker on a day to day basis to make these decisions - the responsibility can’t fall to anyone else but him. If it’s not his fault then who’s is it? When you place yourself at the top of the tree and refuse to put more experienced heads in place then you have nowhere to hide when it doesn’t work out.Do you remember who Roland appointed?2 -
jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there
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Executed? That's a bit harsh isn't it? I don't think they're getting thrown in the Scorpion Pit when they're shown the door.
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NapaAddick said:jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there1
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Redrobo said:DamoNorthStand said:jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there
Not his fault it didn’t work?
He is quite literally the de facto leader of this business. By not recruiting a senior decision maker on a day to day basis to make these decisions - the responsibility can’t fall to anyone else but him. If it’s not his fault then who’s is it? When you place yourself at the top of the tree and refuse to put more experienced heads in place then you have nowhere to hide when it doesn’t work out.Do you remember who Roland appointed?8 -
Redrobo said:DamoNorthStand said:jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there
Not his fault it didn’t work?
He is quite literally the de facto leader of this business. By not recruiting a senior decision maker on a day to day basis to make these decisions - the responsibility can’t fall to anyone else but him. If it’s not his fault then who’s is it? When you place yourself at the top of the tree and refuse to put more experienced heads in place then you have nowhere to hide when it doesn’t work out.Do you remember who Roland appointed?4 -
Redrobo said:DamoNorthStand said:jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there
Not his fault it didn’t work?
He is quite literally the de facto leader of this business. By not recruiting a senior decision maker on a day to day basis to make these decisions - the responsibility can’t fall to anyone else but him. If it’s not his fault then who’s is it? When you place yourself at the top of the tree and refuse to put more experienced heads in place then you have nowhere to hide when it doesn’t work out.Do you remember who Roland appointed?
I go back to the original point - proof is in the pudding on the pitch. Effort and strumming the guitar is all well and good but it’s a results business and we haven’t got them. End of.
An owner can be the most miserable cnut going but if he gets us promoted into the championship and established at that level I couldn’t give a shit. We exist to prosper as a club, win on the pitch and grow and engage our fanbase. If we aren’t doing any of that then the buck stops there.3 -
DamoNorthStand said:Redrobo said:DamoNorthStand said:jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there
Not his fault it didn’t work?
He is quite literally the de facto leader of this business. By not recruiting a senior decision maker on a day to day basis to make these decisions - the responsibility can’t fall to anyone else but him. If it’s not his fault then who’s is it? When you place yourself at the top of the tree and refuse to put more experienced heads in place then you have nowhere to hide when it doesn’t work out.Do you remember who Roland appointed?
I go back to the original point - proof is in the pudding on the pitch. Effort and strumming the guitar is all well and good but it’s a results business and we haven’t got them. End of.
An owner can be the most miserable cnut going but if he gets us promoted into the championship and established at that level I couldn’t give a shit. We exist to prosper as a club, win on the pitch and grow and engage our fanbase. If we aren’t doing any of that then the buck stops there.
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Off_it said:DamoNorthStand said:Redrobo said:DamoNorthStand said:jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there
Not his fault it didn’t work?
He is quite literally the de facto leader of this business. By not recruiting a senior decision maker on a day to day basis to make these decisions - the responsibility can’t fall to anyone else but him. If it’s not his fault then who’s is it? When you place yourself at the top of the tree and refuse to put more experienced heads in place then you have nowhere to hide when it doesn’t work out.Do you remember who Roland appointed?
I go back to the original point - proof is in the pudding on the pitch. Effort and strumming the guitar is all well and good but it’s a results business and we haven’t got them. End of.
An owner can be the most miserable cnut going but if he gets us promoted into the championship and established at that level I couldn’t give a shit. We exist to prosper as a club, win on the pitch and grow and engage our fanbase. If we aren’t doing any of that then the buck stops there.
ALL businesses are results businesses.0 -
Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:meldrew66 said:So, if his contract would only be renewed if we finished in the top 8, does that mean that the contract simply ended and that he WASN’T actually sacked? The arrangement can’t be both, surely?When the contract was first drawn up it had a top-eight clause which would again have been a factor in any pay-off."
There wouldn't be any compensation if it was just not renewed would there?As this was a sort of rolling contract it would be unusual not to have compensation terms written into them, going both ways and getting larger over time.I think the press have it right and they speak to the people who really know.0 -
Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:DamoNorthStand said:jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there
Not his fault it didn’t work?
He is quite literally the de facto leader of this business. By not recruiting a senior decision maker on a day to day basis to make these decisions - the responsibility can’t fall to anyone else but him. If it’s not his fault then who’s is it? When you place yourself at the top of the tree and refuse to put more experienced heads in place then you have nowhere to hide when it doesn’t work out.Do you remember who Roland appointed?0 -
Redrobo said:Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:meldrew66 said:So, if his contract would only be renewed if we finished in the top 8, does that mean that the contract simply ended and that he WASN’T actually sacked? The arrangement can’t be both, surely?When the contract was first drawn up it had a top-eight clause which would again have been a factor in any pay-off."
There wouldn't be any compensation if it was just not renewed would there?As this was a sort of rolling contract it would be unusual not to have compensation terms written into them, going both ways and getting larger over time.I think the press have it right and they speak to the people who really know.0 -
Redrobo said:Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:DamoNorthStand said:jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there
Not his fault it didn’t work?
He is quite literally the de facto leader of this business. By not recruiting a senior decision maker on a day to day basis to make these decisions - the responsibility can’t fall to anyone else but him. If it’s not his fault then who’s is it? When you place yourself at the top of the tree and refuse to put more experienced heads in place then you have nowhere to hide when it doesn’t work out.Do you remember who Roland appointed?
(No that's not a "I would rather Roland than Thomas" comment, I just want to see the mental gymnastics that will follow).
So let's get this right. You don't think Sandgaard sacked Jackson. You don't think Martin has any input into recruitment bar doing a bit of IT work. Despite Thomas himself saying he did and he does.
And you think Roddy was a good appointment to head up the recruitment side of the club, despite never having done anything remotely similar before?
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Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:DamoNorthStand said:jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there
Not his fault it didn’t work?
He is quite literally the de facto leader of this business. By not recruiting a senior decision maker on a day to day basis to make these decisions - the responsibility can’t fall to anyone else but him. If it’s not his fault then who’s is it? When you place yourself at the top of the tree and refuse to put more experienced heads in place then you have nowhere to hide when it doesn’t work out.Do you remember who Roland appointed?
(No that's not a "I would rather Roland than Thomas" comment, I just want to see the mental gymnastics that will follow).
So let's get this right. You don't think Sandgaard sacked Jackson. You don't think Martin has any input into recruitment bar doing a bit of IT work. Despite Thomas himself saying he did and he does.
And you think Roddy was a good appointment to head up the recruitment side of the club, despite never having done anything remotely similar before?
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Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:DamoNorthStand said:jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there
Not his fault it didn’t work?
He is quite literally the de facto leader of this business. By not recruiting a senior decision maker on a day to day basis to make these decisions - the responsibility can’t fall to anyone else but him. If it’s not his fault then who’s is it? When you place yourself at the top of the tree and refuse to put more experienced heads in place then you have nowhere to hide when it doesn’t work out.Do you remember who Roland appointed?
(No that's not a "I would rather Roland than Thomas" comment, I just want to see the mental gymnastics that will follow).
So let's get this right. You don't think Sandgaard sacked Jackson. You don't think Martin has any input into recruitment bar doing a bit of IT work. Despite Thomas himself saying he did and he does.
And you think Roddy was a good appointment to head up the recruitment side of the club, despite never having done anything remotely similar before?
Is that fair?
I think describing Martin as “doing a bit of IT work” is very disrespectful of someone with vast experience in IT and is providing the data that will guide decisions, so yes, I hope he does have a big input into the recruitment process because of these very skills.
I think Roddy was a good football person with an impressive background in the development of players that would help us achieve Cat1 status first and foremost, and who also had leadership skills to help build a team to manage all aspects of the footballing backup side of the Club.You describe him as ‘Head of recruitment’. I thought he was appointed as ‘Technical Director’? You know best of course.2 -
Redrobo said:Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:DamoNorthStand said:jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there
Not his fault it didn’t work?
He is quite literally the de facto leader of this business. By not recruiting a senior decision maker on a day to day basis to make these decisions - the responsibility can’t fall to anyone else but him. If it’s not his fault then who’s is it? When you place yourself at the top of the tree and refuse to put more experienced heads in place then you have nowhere to hide when it doesn’t work out.Do you remember who Roland appointed?
(No that's not a "I would rather Roland than Thomas" comment, I just want to see the mental gymnastics that will follow).
So let's get this right. You don't think Sandgaard sacked Jackson. You don't think Martin has any input into recruitment bar doing a bit of IT work. Despite Thomas himself saying he did and he does.
And you think Roddy was a good appointment to head up the recruitment side of the club, despite never having done anything remotely similar before?
Is that fair?
I think describing Martin as “doing a bit of IT work” is very disrespectful of someone with vast experience in IT and is providing the data that will guide decisions, so yes, I hope he does have a big input into the recruitment process because of these very skills.
I think Roddy was a good football person with an impressive background in the development of players that would help us achieve Cat1 status first and foremost, and who also had leadership skills to help build a team to manage all aspects of the footballing backup side of the Club.You describe him as ‘Head of recruitment’. I thought he was appointed as ‘Technical Director’? You know best of course.
There is documented evidence from him, Gallen, Adkins and Sandgaard that he did BTW. So I am not just asking you to take my word for it.4 -
Cafc43v3r said:NapaAddick said:jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there0
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cafcfan1990 said:Cafc43v3r said:NapaAddick said:jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there
Roland spent a fortune as well though, he spent it very badly but he spent it.0 -
"I think describing Martin as “doing a bit of IT work” is very disrespectful of someone with vast experience in IT and is providing the data that will guide decisions, so yes, I hope he does have a big input into the recruitment process because of these
very skills."
VAST experience? Where is this VAST experience you speak of from by the way......
Why do you think he SHOULD have a big input into our recruitment @Redrobo
"Martin Sandgaard had spent 14 years working for Zynex Medical, his father’s business. He had been production and supply chain manager."
Yurp. Perfect for football data analysis and buying players.6 -
Cafc43v3r said:YTS1978 said:Cafc43v3r said:oohaahmortimer said:I’m sure I read this elsewhere but I got told this this week that Sandgaard made JJ pick Burstow to get an extra payment out of Chelsea2
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Redrobo said:Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:DamoNorthStand said:jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there
Not his fault it didn’t work?
He is quite literally the de facto leader of this business. By not recruiting a senior decision maker on a day to day basis to make these decisions - the responsibility can’t fall to anyone else but him. If it’s not his fault then who’s is it? When you place yourself at the top of the tree and refuse to put more experienced heads in place then you have nowhere to hide when it doesn’t work out.Do you remember who Roland appointed?
(No that's not a "I would rather Roland than Thomas" comment, I just want to see the mental gymnastics that will follow).
So let's get this right. You don't think Sandgaard sacked Jackson. You don't think Martin has any input into recruitment bar doing a bit of IT work. Despite Thomas himself saying he did and he does.
And you think Roddy was a good appointment to head up the recruitment side of the club, despite never having done anything remotely similar before?
Is that fair?
I think describing Martin as “doing a bit of IT work” is very disrespectful of someone with vast experience in IT and is providing the data that will guide decisions, so yes, I hope he does have a big input into the recruitment process because of these very skills.
I think Roddy was a good football person with an impressive background in the development of players that would help us achieve Cat1 status first and foremost, and who also had leadership skills to help build a team to manage all aspects of the footballing backup side of the Club.You describe him as ‘Head of recruitment’. I thought he was appointed as ‘Technical Director’? You know best of course.0 -
Redrobo said:Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:DamoNorthStand said:jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there
Not his fault it didn’t work?
He is quite literally the de facto leader of this business. By not recruiting a senior decision maker on a day to day basis to make these decisions - the responsibility can’t fall to anyone else but him. If it’s not his fault then who’s is it? When you place yourself at the top of the tree and refuse to put more experienced heads in place then you have nowhere to hide when it doesn’t work out.Do you remember who Roland appointed?
(No that's not a "I would rather Roland than Thomas" comment, I just want to see the mental gymnastics that will follow).
So let's get this right. You don't think Sandgaard sacked Jackson. You don't think Martin has any input into recruitment bar doing a bit of IT work. Despite Thomas himself saying he did and he does.
And you think Roddy was a good appointment to head up the recruitment side of the club, despite never having done anything remotely similar before?
Is that fair?
I think describing Martin as “doing a bit of IT work” is very disrespectful of someone with vast experience in IT and is providing the data that will guide decisions, so yes, I hope he does have a big input into the recruitment process because of these very skills.
I think Roddy was a good football person with an impressive background in the development of players that would help us achieve Cat1 status first and foremost, and who also had leadership skills to help build a team to manage all aspects of the footballing backup side of the Club.You describe him as ‘Head of recruitment’. I thought he was appointed as ‘Technical Director’? You know best of course.
Planning the shipments of medical equipment and making sure the website works in your dad's Colorado based business is clearly a solid grounding for player analysis at an English 3rd division football club.
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supaclive said:"I think describing Martin as “doing a bit of IT work” is very disrespectful of someone with vast experience in IT and is providing the data that will guide decisions, so yes, I hope he does have a big input into the recruitment process because of these
very skills."
VAST experience? Where is this VAST experience you speak of from by the way......
Why do you think he SHOULD have a big input into our recruitment @Redrobo
"Martin Sandgaard had spent 14 years working for Zynex Medical, his father’s business. He had been production and supply chain manager."
Yurp. Perfect for football data analysis and buying players.
She helped Duchatelet with tricky aspects of competition law when he was negotiating purchases of clubs in Belgium and of European Clubs for his network and somehow Duchatelet, with his warped way of thinking, thought she could be parachuted in to run Charlton and sort out contracts etc.
Went well with Yann Kermorgant didn't it?
Is it possible to perceive now some of the same traits in Sandgaard?
Like Roland, will he turn a deaf ear to listening to 'football people' and rely on his own business instincts, which whilst having served him well, will inevitably come crashing down around his ears when applied to running a football club.
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SporadicAddick said:Redrobo said:Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:Cafc43v3r said:Redrobo said:DamoNorthStand said:jacob_CAFC said:This thread is wrong and out of order imo. Sandgaard has put money into the club, not really his fault its not worked. Adkins didn't work out, while I love JJ he didn't exactly pull up trees but the investment has been there
Not his fault it didn’t work?
He is quite literally the de facto leader of this business. By not recruiting a senior decision maker on a day to day basis to make these decisions - the responsibility can’t fall to anyone else but him. If it’s not his fault then who’s is it? When you place yourself at the top of the tree and refuse to put more experienced heads in place then you have nowhere to hide when it doesn’t work out.Do you remember who Roland appointed?
(No that's not a "I would rather Roland than Thomas" comment, I just want to see the mental gymnastics that will follow).
So let's get this right. You don't think Sandgaard sacked Jackson. You don't think Martin has any input into recruitment bar doing a bit of IT work. Despite Thomas himself saying he did and he does.
And you think Roddy was a good appointment to head up the recruitment side of the club, despite never having done anything remotely similar before?
Is that fair?
I think describing Martin as “doing a bit of IT work” is very disrespectful of someone with vast experience in IT and is providing the data that will guide decisions, so yes, I hope he does have a big input into the recruitment process because of these very skills.
I think Roddy was a good football person with an impressive background in the development of players that would help us achieve Cat1 status first and foremost, and who also had leadership skills to help build a team to manage all aspects of the footballing backup side of the Club.You describe him as ‘Head of recruitment’. I thought he was appointed as ‘Technical Director’? You know best of course.
Planning the shipments of medical equipment and making sure the website works in your dad's Colorado based business is clearly a solid grounding for player analysis at an English 3rd division football club.
I don’t like people who just ride off their parents at the best of times, but honestly, and somebody who works in sport and entertainment. I wouldn’t even expect that CV to land for any role I have hired for in the last 20 years. Never mind be considered.6