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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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That's bollocks. He appointed Jackson after he managed a stunning turnaround in results and knowing the appointment would be well received by fans. If he had not appointed Jackson and we had still come in around mid table it would have all been about how inflexible he was, ignoring fans etc.EugenesAxe said:
And then appointed…Jackson!MattF said:
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/exclusive-thomas-sandgaard-gives-update-on-charlton-athletic-managerial-situation/ (November 2021)DagenhamAddick said:Was informed that Beale will be a non starter as he was not happy that Thomas said he had contacted him in an interview when Adkins left. I can't recall this can anyone verify please? Hoping this is not the case and Beale is a possibility. Thomas has verified to me that he tried to contact Beale last time.
Csnt believe a word he says really.31 -
How soon is too soon to announce a new manager? - it will be a week on Wednesday (11th) since it was announced JJ wasn't being retained0
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And at the time if he didn’t appoint JJ this place would be full of posts condemning his decision making … it has been referred to on here that a bigger name was lined up whose now managing in the championship. Yep he’s by no means perfect , but does not merit a lot of the mindless mud slingingEugenesAxe said:
And then appointed…Jackson!MattF said:
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/exclusive-thomas-sandgaard-gives-update-on-charlton-athletic-managerial-situation/ (November 2021)DagenhamAddick said:Was informed that Beale will be a non starter as he was not happy that Thomas said he had contacted him in an interview when Adkins left. I can't recall this can anyone verify please? Hoping this is not the case and Beale is a possibility. Thomas has verified to me that he tried to contact Beale last time.
Csnt believe a word he says really.12 -
Chris Wilder
Paul Heckingbottom
Ryan Lowe
Shota Arveladze
Steve Bruce
Paul Ince0 -
What’s the point in that list? Are they not all managing in the champ?Callumcafc said:Chris Wilder
Paul Heckingbottom
Ryan Lowe
Shota Arveladze
Steve Bruce
Paul Ince0 -
Although it's obvious anyway I can confirm no chance on Lowe, and I do have a very reliable source on all things Preston which I shan't be revealing.1
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It was just a list of managers who have started their role in the Championship since Jacko got the job, in response to the post above mine…cafcfan1990 said:
What’s the point in that list? Are they not all managing in the champ?Callumcafc said:Chris Wilder
Paul Heckingbottom
Ryan Lowe
Shota Arveladze
Steve Bruce
Paul Ince
“ it has been referred to on here that a bigger name was lined up whose now managing in the championship”
Not saying any of them are realistic options this summer. With the exception of Ince, probably.0 -
I think we need to always remember the hours we were away from extinction. Then 'enter sandman' and we not only remained in existence but brought quality in many. areas of the club. Developing players, improving the excellent youth set up and infrastructure of the club. It's on a sound footing. Sandman didn't come in with a sledgehammer firing everyone. He gave current incumbent Lee Bowyer the benefit of the doubt (good decision). Didn't stand in his way (good decision) when he went to Brum. Hired what seemed a safe and experienced and proven pair of hands in Smiley Nige (good decision after the limited tactics of Bowyer). Acted to stop the decline and fired him (another good decision). Gave the untried JJ his first taste of management and didn't hurry to give him a contract but gave him a prolonged period of caretaker boss (another good decision) His first glaringly poor decision I feel was bowing to the unrelenting clamour from 'experts' aka fans! and gave him the job permanently. First whiff of pressure and the whole thing nose-dived. And saying JJ was part of his plans for next season only weeks ago (wrong decision) He owns the club. And while he can't simply do as he wants a la Roland Shathouse of yesteryear. He CAN hire and fire who he deems is right or not right for the progress of the club. And overall, silly comments aside, I think he has done a lot right. And firing JJ was also the right decision. He was righting the wrong decision of hiring him on a permanent in the first place.
I am confident that he will hire THE RIGHT guy for this time. He has seen enough to know that tired old managers well past their best are no good. And untried glorified team coaches are not suitable either. And if he IS the RIGHT guy, he will get this club up in a year. I'd lose the whole frontline and bring in quality. So many games last season were lost not simply by JJ ineptitude but misfiring strikers. Missington particularly. But Stuckley too.
Would really like to see Warburton. Definitely. would NOT want Hasselblad, Hughton, Evans or Ferguson take the reigns.
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The problem is if he did interview them all, they all probably all talk a good game, otherwise they wouldn’t have got jobs, how does he differentiate between them all, apart from them telling him what he wants to hear?ValleyOfTears said:I think we need to always remember the hours we were away from extinction. Then 'enter sandman' and we not only remained in existence but brought quality in many. areas of the club. Developing players, improving the excellent youth set up and infrastructure of the club. It's on a sound footing. Sandman didn't come in with a sledgehammer firing everyone. He gave current incumbent Lee Bowyer the benefit of the doubt (good decision). Didn't stand in his way (good decision) when he went to Brum. Hired what seemed a safe and experienced and proven pair of hands in Smiley Nige (good decision after the limited tactics of Bowyer). Acted to stop the decline and fired him (another good decision). Gave the untried JJ his first taste of management and didn't hurry to give him a contract but gave him a prolonged period of caretaker boss (another good decision) His first glaringly poor decision I feel was bowing to the unrelenting clamour from 'experts' aka fans! and gave him the job permanently. First whiff of pressure and the whole thing nose-dived. And saying JJ was part of his plans for next season only weeks ago (wrong decision) He owns the club. And while he can't simply do as he wants a la Roland Shathouse of yesteryear. He CAN hire and fire who he deems is right or not right for the progress of the club. And overall, silly comments aside, I think he has done a lot right. And firing JJ was also the right decision. He was righting the wrong decision of hiring him on a permanent in the first place.
I am confident that he will hire THE RIGHT guy for this time. He has seen enough to know that tired old managers well past their best are no good. And untried glorified team coaches are not suitable either. And if he IS the RIGHT guy, he will get this club up in a year. I'd lose the whole frontline and bring in quality. So many games last season were lost not simply by JJ ineptitude but misfiring strikers. Missington particularly. But Stuckley too.
Would really like to see Warburton. Definitely. would NOT want Hasselblad, Hughton, Evans or Ferguson take the reigns.2 -
A lot of it will come down to who has sold Thomas ‘the best vision’ and who he feels he can get along with, not what the fans think.4
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And that’s correct .. he appointed JJ because of the fans and not really want he wanted to do ..Mendonca In Asdas said:A lot of it will come down to who has sold Thomas ‘the best vision’ and who he feels he can get along with, not what the fans think.5 -
That worked with AdkinsMendonca In Asdas said:A lot of it will come down to who has sold Thomas ‘the best vision’ and who he feels he can get along with, not what the fans think.1 -
carly burn said:Quite how we are going to sign a manager with any real quality when our current head of scouting and recruitment was a travelling medical salesman less than two years ago is anyone's guess?
Sounds ideal ?
We have a bad side and the spine is out of shape.2 -
Fairly measured response from TS. He could be blowing smoke of course but would like to know who has applied!
Not based on anything but I reckon Matt Taylor would have put his name forward!0 -
Milton Keynes play a 3-5-2. Manning Out.
QPR play a 3-5-2. Warburton out.
What’s Mike Bassett up to?5 -
Cant get a 30yr old with 50 yrs experience.....no shit Thomas!ButtleJR said:8 -
I find that interview quite interesting, does make me feel like it's more likely going to be a first timer young head coach from a PL club .
Warburton aside I just don't especially rate the " experienced" names that have been banded about. Likes of Lennon and Kean I could see applying and probably Darren Ferguson as well.1 -
I feel going down the younger coach route would be the way forward to build something at the club.Does anyone think any of our existing coaches would throw their hat in the ring, i.e. Anthony Hayes or Hamza Serrar?0
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Another name that hasn't really been mentioned is Paul Cook?3
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He's back at Chesterfield now - Be surprised if TS showed interest given his Ipswich performances.RedRobin said:Another name that hasn't really been mentioned is Paul Cook?1 -
I do hope we just take a punt on a young coach with ideas, if only just to see what happens. So far Sandgaard has appointed a very experienced manager with a clear history of engaging positively with players, a lot of that to do with repairing a dresing room that Bowyer was starting to use for target practice, and a young first time manager who had a lot of passion and history with the club but no overall playing plan beyond liking to play with two strikers. Neither of those ways worked for us. I don't know that much about Beale, which is weird because sometimes it feels like everyone on here must be married to him the amount of awareness there is of him, but he seems like he has a plan, and I'd like to see us start to build towards something even if it ultimately fails. I haven't enjoyed watching Charlton for at least two years and a lot of that has been because beyond hoping for three points there hasn't been much to enjoy; no individual standout players, no feeling of team growth, so sense of potential, just the grind of crossing fingers for a win and hoping that promotion will lead to us getting better footballers in. It doesn't have to be like that and it would be exciting to at least try to make something watchable.
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How would you differentiate between them ? I’m sure TS would take advice and look at stats and I expect that’s how you’d do it too. There’s no perfect or surefire way of making any appointment.Mendonca In Asdas said:
The problem is if he did interview them all, they all probably all talk a good game, otherwise they wouldn’t have got jobs, how does he differentiate between them all, apart from them telling him what he wants to hear?ValleyOfTears said:I think we need to always remember the hours we were away from extinction. Then 'enter sandman' and we not only remained in existence but brought quality in many. areas of the club. Developing players, improving the excellent youth set up and infrastructure of the club. It's on a sound footing. Sandman didn't come in with a sledgehammer firing everyone. He gave current incumbent Lee Bowyer the benefit of the doubt (good decision). Didn't stand in his way (good decision) when he went to Brum. Hired what seemed a safe and experienced and proven pair of hands in Smiley Nige (good decision after the limited tactics of Bowyer). Acted to stop the decline and fired him (another good decision). Gave the untried JJ his first taste of management and didn't hurry to give him a contract but gave him a prolonged period of caretaker boss (another good decision) His first glaringly poor decision I feel was bowing to the unrelenting clamour from 'experts' aka fans! and gave him the job permanently. First whiff of pressure and the whole thing nose-dived. And saying JJ was part of his plans for next season only weeks ago (wrong decision) He owns the club. And while he can't simply do as he wants a la Roland Shathouse of yesteryear. He CAN hire and fire who he deems is right or not right for the progress of the club. And overall, silly comments aside, I think he has done a lot right. And firing JJ was also the right decision. He was righting the wrong decision of hiring him on a permanent in the first place.
I am confident that he will hire THE RIGHT guy for this time. He has seen enough to know that tired old managers well past their best are no good. And untried glorified team coaches are not suitable either. And if he IS the RIGHT guy, he will get this club up in a year. I'd lose the whole frontline and bring in quality. So many games last season were lost not simply by JJ ineptitude but misfiring strikers. Missington particularly. But Stuckley too.
Would really like to see Warburton. Definitely. would NOT want Hasselblad, Hughton, Evans or Ferguson take the reigns.0 -
In favour one minute. Out of favour the next.ForeverAddickted said:
He's back at Chesterfield now - Be surprised if TS showed interest given his Ipswich performances.RedRobin said:Another name that hasn't really been mentioned is Paul Cook?
Sooner or later Sandgaard will realise that he has to stick with someone for longer than 6 months, maybe a couple of seasons before they show their true potential, as unpleasant as that may sound.
Smashing it out of the park straight after you've walked in the door is highly unlikely in this industry and this league.
Still convinced Jacko was the man for that.8 -
RedRobin said:I feel going down the younger coach route would be the way forward to build something at the club.Does anyone think any of our existing coaches would throw their hat in the ring, i.e. Anthony Hayes or Hamza Serrar?
They can but they will be rejected as It feels like Thomas Sandgaard will go for a established manager but one who has just finished this season in employment.
TS was right to give the Job to Jackson as his record was top 6 as a caretaker and entitled to sack him at the end of the season. I'm and was gutted as I thought with new faster Wing backs we could kick on even if the 3-5-2 needed work on when out of possession !
No insider info on the next manager but about the time JJ was getting the phone call from Sandgaard on bank holiday Monday I was in conversation and being told that Johnnie Jackson doesn't know his position for next season and this very reliable source confirmed that many players were unsure what was going to happen. No real breaking news but; CBT has interesting initials considering his nervous disposition before matches when he gets anxious and Chuks Aneke prefers to start on the bench. Makes you realize how the mind of footballers have to be worked on as much as their bodies.2 -
3-5-2 is not a problem at all, in fact it can be a benefit.The Red Robin said:Milton Keynes play a 3-5-2. Manning Out.
QPR play a 3-5-2. Warburton out.
What’s Mike Bassett up to?
Jacko's problem was trying to play a formation without having the players able to play it.
Hence wingers and full backs trying to play wing back.
Full backs and midfielders asked to play in central defence etc.3 -
Thats something we as fans need to realise as well.carly burn said:
In favour one minute. Out of favour the next.ForeverAddickted said:
He's back at Chesterfield now - Be surprised if TS showed interest given his Ipswich performances.RedRobin said:Another name that hasn't really been mentioned is Paul Cook?
Sooner or later Sandgaard will realise that he has to stick with someone for longer than 6 months, maybe a couple of seasons before they show their true potential, as unpleasant as that may sound.
Smashing it out of the park straight after you've walked on the door is highly unlikely in this industry and this league.
Still convinced Jacko was the man for that.
With TS on social media, he's going to have seen the calls for Adkins / Jackson to go - Has that slightly helped influence his decision a little bit - Really wouldn't be surprised if it was the case with Adkins, as the atmosphere was turning on him so early in games.3 -
Wing back is not a position that people grow up playing- all wing backs are either defenders or wingers converted. He didn't have the players to play 433 or the diamond so that is what he was left with. It wasn't great- the games were dull, but it worked a lot better than 9 in 13 Nigel achieved.Covered End said:
3-5-2 is not a problem at all, in fact it can be a benefit.The Red Robin said:Milton Keynes play a 3-5-2. Manning Out.
QPR play a 3-5-2. Warburton out.
What’s Mike Bassett up to?
Jacko's problem was trying to play a formation without having the players able to play it.
Hence wingers and full backs trying to play wing back.
Full backs and midfielders asked to play in central defence etc.3 -
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In favour one minute. Out of favour the next.ForeverAddickted said:
He's back at Chesterfield now - Be surprised if TS showed interest given his Ipswich performances.RedRobin said:Another name that hasn't really been mentioned is Paul Cook?
Sooner or later Sandgaard will realise that he has to stick with someone for longer than 6 months, maybe a couple of seasons before they show their true potential, as unpleasant as that may sound.
Smashing it out of the park straight after you've walked in the door is highly unlikely in this industry and this league.
Still convinced Jacko was the man for that.0
