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Covered End said:The Red Robin said:Milton Keynes play a 3-5-2. Manning Out.
QPR play a 3-5-2. Warburton out.
What’s Mike Bassett up to?
Jacko's problem was trying to play a formation without having the players able to play it.
Hence wingers and full backs trying to play wing back.
Full backs and midfielders asked to play in central defence etc.
Dobson is a perfect example of a player doing the job he's good at and focus on it. He wasn't suited to the job Sunderland wanted him to perform and was rubbish as far as their fans were concerned.
A team where as many of the players are playing their best and favoured position but is imbalanced in terms of formation might have been better than experimenting with pegs and round holes. So ideal manager in my book is one who can spot where his players should be playing and allow the formation to be dictated by what he has available. Play 3-5-2 if you think that's the optimal formation when you have the players to pull it off.
If it's a coach then again I would like to think he was good at getting players better at what they already do well rather than turning a midfielder into a full back.2 -
TS maybe describing Manning. MKD will be saying goodbye to five of their first team who were on loan and will no doubt be targets for bigger Clubs to buy or get on loan next season. They also have a couple of good players that could, and probably will leave. Twine being one.
I see us a big upgrade that would give him the opportunity to build something more permanent and with the prospects of going a lot higher than MKD.10 -
ForeverAddickted said:carly burn said:ForeverAddickted said:RedRobin said:Another name that hasn't really been mentioned is Paul Cook?
Sooner or later Sandgaard will realise that he has to stick with someone for longer than 6 months, maybe a couple of seasons before they show their true potential, as unpleasant as that may sound.
Smashing it out of the park straight after you've walked on the door is highly unlikely in this industry and this league.
Still convinced Jacko was the man for that.
With TS on social media, he's going to have seen the calls for Adkins / Jackson to go - Has that slightly helped influence his decision a little bit - Really wouldn't be surprised if it was the case with Adkins, as the atmosphere was turning on him so early in games.
Lack of fit strikers was part of the problem in that terrible run but surely if you cant score goals then you make yourselves harder to beat and maybe pinch a late goal or nick a draw instead of playing the same way as if you had these fit strikers. If you cant adapt to give the team the best chance to get results then long term, it doesnt bode well.2 -
ShootersHillGuru said:Mendonca In Asdas said:ValleyOfTears said:I think we need to always remember the hours we were away from extinction. Then 'enter sandman' and we not only remained in existence but brought quality in many. areas of the club. Developing players, improving the excellent youth set up and infrastructure of the club. It's on a sound footing. Sandman didn't come in with a sledgehammer firing everyone. He gave current incumbent Lee Bowyer the benefit of the doubt (good decision). Didn't stand in his way (good decision) when he went to Brum. Hired what seemed a safe and experienced and proven pair of hands in Smiley Nige (good decision after the limited tactics of Bowyer). Acted to stop the decline and fired him (another good decision). Gave the untried JJ his first taste of management and didn't hurry to give him a contract but gave him a prolonged period of caretaker boss (another good decision) His first glaringly poor decision I feel was bowing to the unrelenting clamour from 'experts' aka fans! and gave him the job permanently. First whiff of pressure and the whole thing nose-dived. And saying JJ was part of his plans for next season only weeks ago (wrong decision) He owns the club. And while he can't simply do as he wants a la Roland Shathouse of yesteryear. He CAN hire and fire who he deems is right or not right for the progress of the club. And overall, silly comments aside, I think he has done a lot right. And firing JJ was also the right decision. He was righting the wrong decision of hiring him on a permanent in the first place.
I am confident that he will hire THE RIGHT guy for this time. He has seen enough to know that tired old managers well past their best are no good. And untried glorified team coaches are not suitable either. And if he IS the RIGHT guy, he will get this club up in a year. I'd lose the whole frontline and bring in quality. So many games last season were lost not simply by JJ ineptitude but misfiring strikers. Missington particularly. But Stuckley too.
Would really like to see Warburton. Definitely. would NOT want Hasselblad, Hughton, Evans or Ferguson take the reigns.
Name names.
This is a large part of the problem. It doesn't occur to him. He thinks he knows best.4 -
Be interesting to see if we do end up implementing a complete new playing style and philosophy next season, if on the whole the fan base will get behind it, even if it does produce mixed results to begin with.0
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ForeverAddickted said:carly burn said:ForeverAddickted said:RedRobin said:Another name that hasn't really been mentioned is Paul Cook?
Sooner or later Sandgaard will realise that he has to stick with someone for longer than 6 months, maybe a couple of seasons before they show their true potential, as unpleasant as that may sound.
Smashing it out of the park straight after you've walked on the door is highly unlikely in this industry and this league.
Still convinced Jacko was the man for that.
With TS on social media, he's going to have seen the calls for Adkins / Jackson to go - Has that slightly helped influence his decision a little bit - Really wouldn't be surprised if it was the case with Adkins, as the atmosphere was turning on him so early in games.
Fans ask for this but then as soon as there is a couple of bad results it’s ‘sack him now - he’s lost the dressing room’. It’s a shame that the least tolerant are normally the most vocal.
Time will tell is TS has got it right with Jackson. It is a brave move that could go either way.4 -
Redrobo said:TS maybe describing Manning. MKD will be saying goodbye to five of their first team who were on loan and will no doubt be targets for bigger Clubs to buy or get on loan next season. They also have a couple of good players that could, and probably will leave. Twine being one.
I see us a big upgrade that would give him the opportunity to build something more permanent and with the prospects of going a lot higher than MKD.1 -
FishCostaFortune said:Be interesting to see if we do end up implementing a complete new playing style and philosophy next season, if on the whole the fan base will get behind it, even if it does produce mixed results to begin with.0
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Dave Rudd said:ShootersHillGuru said:Mendonca In Asdas said:ValleyOfTears said:I think we need to always remember the hours we were away from extinction. Then 'enter sandman' and we not only remained in existence but brought quality in many. areas of the club. Developing players, improving the excellent youth set up and infrastructure of the club. It's on a sound footing. Sandman didn't come in with a sledgehammer firing everyone. He gave current incumbent Lee Bowyer the benefit of the doubt (good decision). Didn't stand in his way (good decision) when he went to Brum. Hired what seemed a safe and experienced and proven pair of hands in Smiley Nige (good decision after the limited tactics of Bowyer). Acted to stop the decline and fired him (another good decision). Gave the untried JJ his first taste of management and didn't hurry to give him a contract but gave him a prolonged period of caretaker boss (another good decision) His first glaringly poor decision I feel was bowing to the unrelenting clamour from 'experts' aka fans! and gave him the job permanently. First whiff of pressure and the whole thing nose-dived. And saying JJ was part of his plans for next season only weeks ago (wrong decision) He owns the club. And while he can't simply do as he wants a la Roland Shathouse of yesteryear. He CAN hire and fire who he deems is right or not right for the progress of the club. And overall, silly comments aside, I think he has done a lot right. And firing JJ was also the right decision. He was righting the wrong decision of hiring him on a permanent in the first place.
I am confident that he will hire THE RIGHT guy for this time. He has seen enough to know that tired old managers well past their best are no good. And untried glorified team coaches are not suitable either. And if he IS the RIGHT guy, he will get this club up in a year. I'd lose the whole frontline and bring in quality. So many games last season were lost not simply by JJ ineptitude but misfiring strikers. Missington particularly. But Stuckley too.
Would really like to see Warburton. Definitely. would NOT want Hasselblad, Hughton, Evans or Ferguson take the reigns.
Name names.
This is a large part of the problem. It doesn't occur to him. He thinks he knows best.9 - Sponsored links:
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ShootersHillGuru said:Dave Rudd said:ShootersHillGuru said:Mendonca In Asdas said:ValleyOfTears said:I think we need to always remember the hours we were away from extinction. Then 'enter sandman' and we not only remained in existence but brought quality in many. areas of the club. Developing players, improving the excellent youth set up and infrastructure of the club. It's on a sound footing. Sandman didn't come in with a sledgehammer firing everyone. He gave current incumbent Lee Bowyer the benefit of the doubt (good decision). Didn't stand in his way (good decision) when he went to Brum. Hired what seemed a safe and experienced and proven pair of hands in Smiley Nige (good decision after the limited tactics of Bowyer). Acted to stop the decline and fired him (another good decision). Gave the untried JJ his first taste of management and didn't hurry to give him a contract but gave him a prolonged period of caretaker boss (another good decision) His first glaringly poor decision I feel was bowing to the unrelenting clamour from 'experts' aka fans! and gave him the job permanently. First whiff of pressure and the whole thing nose-dived. And saying JJ was part of his plans for next season only weeks ago (wrong decision) He owns the club. And while he can't simply do as he wants a la Roland Shathouse of yesteryear. He CAN hire and fire who he deems is right or not right for the progress of the club. And overall, silly comments aside, I think he has done a lot right. And firing JJ was also the right decision. He was righting the wrong decision of hiring him on a permanent in the first place.
I am confident that he will hire THE RIGHT guy for this time. He has seen enough to know that tired old managers well past their best are no good. And untried glorified team coaches are not suitable either. And if he IS the RIGHT guy, he will get this club up in a year. I'd lose the whole frontline and bring in quality. So many games last season were lost not simply by JJ ineptitude but misfiring strikers. Missington particularly. But Stuckley too.
Would really like to see Warburton. Definitely. would NOT want Hasselblad, Hughton, Evans or Ferguson take the reigns.
Name names.
This is a large part of the problem. It doesn't occur to him. He thinks he knows best.
And my comments are not 'negatives' ... they are observations based on his actions and outcomes.
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Dave Rudd said:ShootersHillGuru said:Dave Rudd said:ShootersHillGuru said:Mendonca In Asdas said:ValleyOfTears said:I think we need to always remember the hours we were away from extinction. Then 'enter sandman' and we not only remained in existence but brought quality in many. areas of the club. Developing players, improving the excellent youth set up and infrastructure of the club. It's on a sound footing. Sandman didn't come in with a sledgehammer firing everyone. He gave current incumbent Lee Bowyer the benefit of the doubt (good decision). Didn't stand in his way (good decision) when he went to Brum. Hired what seemed a safe and experienced and proven pair of hands in Smiley Nige (good decision after the limited tactics of Bowyer). Acted to stop the decline and fired him (another good decision). Gave the untried JJ his first taste of management and didn't hurry to give him a contract but gave him a prolonged period of caretaker boss (another good decision) His first glaringly poor decision I feel was bowing to the unrelenting clamour from 'experts' aka fans! and gave him the job permanently. First whiff of pressure and the whole thing nose-dived. And saying JJ was part of his plans for next season only weeks ago (wrong decision) He owns the club. And while he can't simply do as he wants a la Roland Shathouse of yesteryear. He CAN hire and fire who he deems is right or not right for the progress of the club. And overall, silly comments aside, I think he has done a lot right. And firing JJ was also the right decision. He was righting the wrong decision of hiring him on a permanent in the first place.
I am confident that he will hire THE RIGHT guy for this time. He has seen enough to know that tired old managers well past their best are no good. And untried glorified team coaches are not suitable either. And if he IS the RIGHT guy, he will get this club up in a year. I'd lose the whole frontline and bring in quality. So many games last season were lost not simply by JJ ineptitude but misfiring strikers. Missington particularly. But Stuckley too.
Would really like to see Warburton. Definitely. would NOT want Hasselblad, Hughton, Evans or Ferguson take the reigns.
Name names.
This is a large part of the problem. It doesn't occur to him. He thinks he knows best.
And my comments are not 'negatives' ... they are observations based on his actions and outcomes.
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ShootersHillGuru said:Dave Rudd said:ShootersHillGuru said:Dave Rudd said:ShootersHillGuru said:Mendonca In Asdas said:ValleyOfTears said:I think we need to always remember the hours we were away from extinction. Then 'enter sandman' and we not only remained in existence but brought quality in many. areas of the club. Developing players, improving the excellent youth set up and infrastructure of the club. It's on a sound footing. Sandman didn't come in with a sledgehammer firing everyone. He gave current incumbent Lee Bowyer the benefit of the doubt (good decision). Didn't stand in his way (good decision) when he went to Brum. Hired what seemed a safe and experienced and proven pair of hands in Smiley Nige (good decision after the limited tactics of Bowyer). Acted to stop the decline and fired him (another good decision). Gave the untried JJ his first taste of management and didn't hurry to give him a contract but gave him a prolonged period of caretaker boss (another good decision) His first glaringly poor decision I feel was bowing to the unrelenting clamour from 'experts' aka fans! and gave him the job permanently. First whiff of pressure and the whole thing nose-dived. And saying JJ was part of his plans for next season only weeks ago (wrong decision) He owns the club. And while he can't simply do as he wants a la Roland Shathouse of yesteryear. He CAN hire and fire who he deems is right or not right for the progress of the club. And overall, silly comments aside, I think he has done a lot right. And firing JJ was also the right decision. He was righting the wrong decision of hiring him on a permanent in the first place.
I am confident that he will hire THE RIGHT guy for this time. He has seen enough to know that tired old managers well past their best are no good. And untried glorified team coaches are not suitable either. And if he IS the RIGHT guy, he will get this club up in a year. I'd lose the whole frontline and bring in quality. So many games last season were lost not simply by JJ ineptitude but misfiring strikers. Missington particularly. But Stuckley too.
Would really like to see Warburton. Definitely. would NOT want Hasselblad, Hughton, Evans or Ferguson take the reigns.
Name names.
This is a large part of the problem. It doesn't occur to him. He thinks he knows best.
And my comments are not 'negatives' ... they are observations based on his actions and outcomes.
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I am sure Nathan Jones will be manager at some point during the next 5 years, just need the timmings to work1
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Dave Rudd said:ShootersHillGuru said:Dave Rudd said:ShootersHillGuru said:Mendonca In Asdas said:ValleyOfTears said:I think we need to always remember the hours we were away from extinction. Then 'enter sandman' and we not only remained in existence but brought quality in many. areas of the club. Developing players, improving the excellent youth set up and infrastructure of the club. It's on a sound footing. Sandman didn't come in with a sledgehammer firing everyone. He gave current incumbent Lee Bowyer the benefit of the doubt (good decision). Didn't stand in his way (good decision) when he went to Brum. Hired what seemed a safe and experienced and proven pair of hands in Smiley Nige (good decision after the limited tactics of Bowyer). Acted to stop the decline and fired him (another good decision). Gave the untried JJ his first taste of management and didn't hurry to give him a contract but gave him a prolonged period of caretaker boss (another good decision) His first glaringly poor decision I feel was bowing to the unrelenting clamour from 'experts' aka fans! and gave him the job permanently. First whiff of pressure and the whole thing nose-dived. And saying JJ was part of his plans for next season only weeks ago (wrong decision) He owns the club. And while he can't simply do as he wants a la Roland Shathouse of yesteryear. He CAN hire and fire who he deems is right or not right for the progress of the club. And overall, silly comments aside, I think he has done a lot right. And firing JJ was also the right decision. He was righting the wrong decision of hiring him on a permanent in the first place.
I am confident that he will hire THE RIGHT guy for this time. He has seen enough to know that tired old managers well past their best are no good. And untried glorified team coaches are not suitable either. And if he IS the RIGHT guy, he will get this club up in a year. I'd lose the whole frontline and bring in quality. So many games last season were lost not simply by JJ ineptitude but misfiring strikers. Missington particularly. But Stuckley too.
Would really like to see Warburton. Definitely. would NOT want Hasselblad, Hughton, Evans or Ferguson take the reigns.
Name names.
This is a large part of the problem. It doesn't occur to him. He thinks he knows best.
And my comments are not 'negatives' ... they are observations based on his actions and outcomes.
OK for you?
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My biggest fear is we get a 'name' manager who is on the way down. Surprised at the lack of progress...2
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hoof_it_up_to_benty said:My biggest fear is we get a 'name' manager who is on the way down. Surprised at the lack of progress...4
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WSS said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:My biggest fear is we get a 'name' manager who is on the way down. Surprised at the lack of progress...0
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hoof_it_up_to_benty said:WSS said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:My biggest fear is we get a 'name' manager who is on the way down. Surprised at the lack of progress...1
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ForeverAddickted said:RedRobin said:Another name that hasn't really been mentioned is Paul Cook?0
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barstool said:I am sure Nathan Jones will be manager at some point during the next 5 years, just need the timmings to work0
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Personally, and I have to be honest, if we win and the football is terrible, I don't really care. Obviously, the football was generally terrible last season and we didn't win enough but it is the not winning enough which bothers me.10
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MuttleyCAFC said:Personally, and I have to be honest, if we win and the football is terrible, I don't really care. Obviously, the football was generally terrible last season and we didn't win enough but it is the not winning enough which bothers me.2
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It's the timing of Jackson's sacking that I think was wrong.
If Sandgaard was going to sack him he should have done it about 6 or 7 weeks ago and had a new manager lined up so that he could assess the squad.
Either that or don't sack Jackson but support him in this transfer window.
He done neither of these things and now we are in a transfer window with no manager in place.
Yet another example of not having proper football people to advise him.14 -
MuttleyCAFC said:Personally, and I have to be honest, if we win and the football is terrible, I don't really care. Obviously, the football was generally terrible last season and we didn't win enough but it is the not winning enough which bothers me.1
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MuttleyCAFC said:Personally, and I have to be honest, if we win and the football is terrible, I don't really care. Obviously, the football was generally terrible last season and we didn't win enough but it is the not winning enough which bothers me.
Can change to a more pleasing style when we're challenging city and liverpool and have the players and resources to do so (ie so far away and unlikely to be unrealistic as a concern).
Until then just do what it takes to move forward and get us back competing in the championship.
Winning style is what we and the majority of the 92 need to be successful.
Ideally we'd have both but currently we have neither and if it's one or the other I'll take the one that gets points on the board all day long.3 -
ShootersHillGuru said:MuttleyCAFC said:Personally, and I have to be honest, if we win and the football is terrible, I don't really care. Obviously, the football was generally terrible last season and we didn't win enough but it is the not winning enough which bothers me.0
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blackpool72 said:It's the timing of Jackson's sacking that I think was wrong.
If Sandgaard was going to sack him he should have done it about 6 or 7 weeks ago and had a new manager lined up so that he could assess the squad.
Either that or don't sack Jackson but support him in this transfer window.
He done neither of these things and now we are in a transfer window with no manager in place.
Yet another example of not having proper football people to advise him.2 -
SoundAsa£ said:RonnieMoore said:Mendonca In Asdas said:I know Warburton is leaving QPR, but would a mid table League one club be a big enough draw, or does he see himself as a championship manager?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Warburton
it’s a great challenge for anyone who has faith in himself
Ermmmm, they aren’t the worst by any means but to describe them as second to none is way off the mark.0