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  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,510
    edited May 2022
    mart77 said:
    Warburton on Sky was just asked about being linked with us and Brum. He said he wouldn’t discuss it while people were in jobs and way it was discussed was that the club he was interested in taking over had a manager there, still in a job. 
    So "Silence Speaks Louder Than Words"..nice while it lasted... B)
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,342
    addick1956 said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    Tony Mowbury latest name but all I would say is when we were looking for a new man to replace Bowyer one man not mentioned was Adkins … 
    When he was at Middlesbrough he was very insulting about Charlton saying we shouldn't be in the same division as them let alone on the same pitch....as for us winning ...yet we have played them 96 times in the league, 2nd most for us and won 35 to their 41.

    Him being manger is as likely as Peppa Pig fan Johnson 🐖 flying. I loathe him for that one dismal pointless remark. 
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22228870
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited May 2022
    JohnnyH2 said:
    addick1956 said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    Tony Mowbury latest name but all I would say is when we were looking for a new man to replace Bowyer one man not mentioned was Adkins … 
    When he was at Middlesbrough he was very insulting about Charlton saying we shouldn't be in the same division as them let alone on the same pitch....as for us winning ...yet we have played them 96 times in the league, 2nd most for us and won 35 to their 41.

    Him being manger is as likely as Peppa Pig fan Johnson 🐖 flying. I loathe him for that one dismal pointless remark. 
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22228870
    Mustapha Carayol has just been released by Gillingham and the legend Williams (OG) is coming home as manager?  Makes sense to me. 
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    Tony mowbrays got a fucking monkeys heid a fucking monkeys heid a fucking monkeys heid

    some poor monkeys got a Tony Mowbray heid a Tony Mowbray heid a Tony Mowbray heid 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,993
    edited May 2022
    addick1956 said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    Tony Mowbury latest name but all I would say is when we were looking for a new man to replace Bowyer one man not mentioned was Adkins … 
    When he was at Middlesbrough he was very insulting about Charlton saying we shouldn't be in the same division as them let alone on the same pitch....as for us winning ...yet we have played them 96 times in the league, 2nd most for us and won 35 to their 41.

    Him being manger is as likely as Peppa Pig fan Johnson 🐖 flying. I loathe him for that one dismal pointless remark. 
    Except he didn't say that did he.
    He said we should be beating the likes of Charlton and unfortunately he was quite right, although somewhat harsh and condescending.
  • Addick_8
    Addick_8 Posts: 687
    edited May 2022
    Covered End said:
    addick1956 said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    Tony Mowbury latest name but all I would say is when we were looking for a new man to replace Bowyer one man not mentioned was Adkins … 
    When he was at Middlesbrough he was very insulting about Charlton saying we shouldn't be in the same division as them let alone on the same pitch....as for us winning ...yet we have played them 96 times in the league, 2nd most for us and won 35 to their 41.

    Him being manger is as likely as Peppa Pig fan Johnson 🐖 flying. I loathe him for that one dismal pointless remark. 
    Except he didn't say that did he.
    He said we should be beating the likes of Charlton and unfortunately he was quite right, although somewhat harsh and condescending.
    Either way, he didn’t need to say it.
    easily could have just said “We should be winning our home games”
    knobish comment, but I’d still have him in a heartbeat 😂

  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,993
    Addick_8 said:
    Covered End said:
    addick1956 said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    Tony Mowbury latest name but all I would say is when we were looking for a new man to replace Bowyer one man not mentioned was Adkins … 
    When he was at Middlesbrough he was very insulting about Charlton saying we shouldn't be in the same division as them let alone on the same pitch....as for us winning ...yet we have played them 96 times in the league, 2nd most for us and won 35 to their 41.

    Him being manger is as likely as Peppa Pig fan Johnson 🐖 flying. I loathe him for that one dismal pointless remark. 
    Except he didn't say that did he.
    He said we should be beating the likes of Charlton and unfortunately he was quite right, although somewhat harsh and condescending.
    Either way, he didn’t need to say it.
    easily could have just said “We should be winning our home games”
    knobish comment, but I’d still have him in a heartbeat 😂

    Definitely, which is why we remember it 9 years later (or however many years it was).
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    Cafc43v3r said:
    The Red Robin said:
    Scoham said:
    The Red Robin said:
    Scoham said:
    The Red Robin said:
    Valley11 said:
    Matt Taylor or Michael Beale would be my picks at this point but no idea if either would be a success. After the last few years, there doesn’t seem to be any logic when it comes to Charlton. 
    I’d be very happy with either of those two. Whoever it is has to be allowed significant input into signings and style of play. If you want them to continue be successful, back their expertise rather than force your own naive ideas into them. 
    I don’t see the issue around style of play - if an owner wants the team to broadly play a certain way (as long as the manager has room to be flexible in certain scenarios) they need to hire a manager that plays that way. I’m sure a lot of owners do it, including those who are running clubs successfully.

    If you owned the club you probably wouldn’t hire a manager who plays defensive long ball football would you? Unless you like that style.
    True - but if you want a certain style of play you have to let the manager decide on formation, structure and the type of player they want. Do you think Adkins was allowed to do that?
    Agree but do we know that TS is pushing for more than a broad style, i.e. play out from the back, high tempo attacking football and a high press? I doubt he's forcing a formation and precise tactics onto managers.

    I think we all agree Adkins didn't get the support he needed in the window. Changes have been made (Roddy leaving for one) and hopefully lessons learnt. TS knows we moved too slowly, it really shouldn't happen again.
    A lot of chatter last summer that the club/owner wanted a 4-3-3 and players (like Kirk), were signed on that basis.
    This, imo, was the biggest problem last year.  Even bigger than the players not being good enough and coming in too late and not match fit. 

    No one gave enough consideration to what the players specific job and role was.  Just the position they played in. 

    He is a good left winger , get him.  He is a good such and such get him.  He can do a job there etc etc.

    The squad lacked natural combinations and the key components of a good team.  On paper it was a better squad than on grass and it was the sort of squad one of us would probably put together, including me. 
    And there appears to have been no learning from that based on Sandgaard’s recent comments. 
  • SweetCAFC
    SweetCAFC Posts: 11
    Possible wishful thinking. However, could Warburtons apparent latest comments be due to the fact that his former assistant Eustace (seemingly rejected by Watford) is still employed by QPR and Warburton wants him to join his CAFC revolution 🙏? Seriously, why would they chose Brum over CAFC on the basis of an alleged 32 million (only) takeover that may possibly be completed at Brum some time in the future??!!! Warburton is my preferred choice for CAFC, but if he really considers Brum above CAFC, then we are probably better off without. Hopefully we will find out soon, one way or another, please….🤞
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,071
    We all know what will happen. This will drag on another month after missing out on our 1st 2nd and 3rd targets, get someone underwhelming and they'll be gone by November.
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  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    edited May 2022
    The Red Robin said:
    Scoham said:
    The Red Robin said:
    Scoham said:
    The Red Robin said:
    Valley11 said:
    Matt Taylor or Michael Beale would be my picks at this point but no idea if either would be a success. After the last few years, there doesn’t seem to be any logic when it comes to Charlton. 
    I’d be very happy with either of those two. Whoever it is has to be allowed significant input into signings and style of play. If you want them to continue be successful, back their expertise rather than force your own naive ideas into them. 
    I don’t see the issue around style of play - if an owner wants the team to broadly play a certain way (as long as the manager has room to be flexible in certain scenarios) they need to hire a manager that plays that way. I’m sure a lot of owners do it, including those who are running clubs successfully.

    If you owned the club you probably wouldn’t hire a manager who plays defensive long ball football would you? Unless you like that style.
    True - but if you want a certain style of play you have to let the manager decide on formation, structure and the type of player they want. Do you think Adkins was allowed to do that?
    Agree but do we know that TS is pushing for more than a broad style, i.e. play out from the back, high tempo attacking football and a high press? I doubt he's forcing a formation and precise tactics onto managers.

    I think we all agree Adkins didn't get the support he needed in the window. Changes have been made (Roddy leaving for one) and hopefully lessons learnt. TS knows we moved too slowly, it really shouldn't happen again.
    A lot of chatter last summer that the club/owner wanted a 4-3-3 and players (like Kirk), were signed on that basis.
    Probably, which is one reason he brought in Adkins, a manager who had been using 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 and continued to do so with us.

    With the right players either formation could bring success, as could 3-5-2, a diamond or 4-4-2.

    The problem was the players we brought in (and didn't) rather than the formation or the owner wanting exciting attacking football with a high press.
  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,513
    Also, I take it the whole "route to the first team" thing for coaches has gone out the window then?


  • thewolfboy
    thewolfboy Posts: 2,927
    Chris Houghton anyone? I met him a few times as a player. Terrific bloke. If we get Marquis, Ben thompson, Aiden O'Brian and Romeo, we might as well ask Neil Harris to manage us and rename ourselves as 'The Spanner Rejects.' Ironically we would probably do better than this season.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    When does pre-season training begin and when do the pre-season fixtures start? 

    Realistically we need a manager before the former and a core of a squad before the latter.
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    Dazzler21 said:
    When does pre-season training begin and when do the pre-season fixtures start? 

    Realistically we need a manager before the former and a core of a squad before the latter.
    Looking at the injuries, lack of fitness and crap set pieces I would say training starts about November 
  • Rufus_Ambition
    Rufus_Ambition Posts: 603
    The name Glen Riddersholm has been thrown into the mix elsewhere. Danish manager, previously at FC Midtjylland but currently assistant at Genk. Never heard of him myself, but it's something to talk about I guess.
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,413
    Chris Houghton is a great shout. Why couldn't we attract someone like him?
  • Dizzle
    Dizzle Posts: 5,190
    Rufus_Ambition said:
    The name Glen Riddersholm has been thrown into the mix elsewhere. Danish manager, previously at FC Midtjylland but currently assistant at Genk. Never heard of him myself, but it's something to talk about I guess.
    I seem to remember this name last time after Adkins, possibly even the time before that after Bow. Is it just the Danish link? 
  • CharltontillidieCOYR
    CharltontillidieCOYR Posts: 781
    if we go for a dane another massive red flag and time to seriously worry!
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  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,355
    mart77 said:
    Warburton on Sky was just asked about being linked with us and Brum. He said he wouldn’t discuss it while people were in jobs and way it was discussed was that the club he was interested in taking over had a manager there, still in a job. 
    That will be Brum then, I think we can forget about Warburton, I can’t see him ending up anywhere other than a championship side. 

    Would love to know who has applied to us so far 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    cafcnick1992 said:
    Chris Houghton is a great shout. Why couldn't we attract someone like him?
    Made a right balls up of Forest. Reputation tarnished.
  • Kips
    Kips Posts: 689
    Callumcafc said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    Chris Houghton is a great shout. Why couldn't we attract someone like him?
    Made a right balls up of Forest. Reputation tarnished.
    Pretty impressive record before that though across a number of clubs. I always think it's not necessarily a bad thing to employ a manager where they have had a bad experience to draw upon.

    We all make mistakes in our careers and deserve the opportunity to show we have learnt from them.  

    I'd take Hughton.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited May 2022
    The more I think about what is realistic, the more Darren Ferguson springs to mind. He is available and we need to stop farting around and get a manager in. There is a lot to do and it needs to be done under a manager. Ferguson is competent enough to do a decent job if supported.
  • IanJRO
    IanJRO Posts: 691
    CharltontillidieCOYR said:
    if we go for a dane another massive red flag and time to seriously worry!
    As always,  it would depend who it was. For example if it were Kasper Hjulmand, who has done a great job with the Danish national team, then I think we would be delighted. On the other hand, if it was a park manager from some Danish outpost a la Karel Fraeye, then red flags galore!
  • redbuttle
    redbuttle Posts: 1,977
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    The more I think about what is realistic, the more Darren Ferguson springs to mind. He is available and we need to stop farting around and get a manager in. There is a lot to do and it needs to be done under a manager. Ferguson is competent enough to do a decent job if supported.
    Good manager in league one but useless in Championship. 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    redbuttle said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    The more I think about what is realistic, the more Darren Ferguson springs to mind. He is available and we need to stop farting around and get a manager in. There is a lot to do and it needs to be done under a manager. Ferguson is competent enough to do a decent job if supported.
    Good manager in league one but useless in Championship. 
    We are in League One
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited May 2022
    redbuttle said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    The more I think about what is realistic, the more Darren Ferguson springs to mind. He is available and we need to stop farting around and get a manager in. There is a lot to do and it needs to be done under a manager. Ferguson is competent enough to do a decent job if supported.
    Good manager in league one but useless in Championship. 
    I don't think the championship is that different to league 1 in terms of management.  The difference is he often has had very good league 1 players and average to poor championship ones.

    With in reason, most managers will get teams to the level the players should be.  

    If you look at our managers, we have had enough of them, over the last 15 years I think that's generally the case.   The two massive exceptions are the 2 that have no place being football managers in the first place.

    If the manager isn't ultimately responsible for the recruitment it amplifies the point as well.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    CharltontillidieCOYR said:
    if we go for a dane another massive red flag and time to seriously worry!
    Why? Plenty of good coaches and managers that have done well in England have worked in Scandinavia. Graham Potter the most recent example. Roy Hodgson spent a lot of time out there too. 

    Obviously it wouldn’t be anyone’s first choice, but can’t be dismissed because of nationality or the country they’ve coached in, especially when it’s still a higher standard of football than League One. 
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,032
    charltonman2016 said:
    Not saying he would come to us but Warburton would be mad to go to Birmingham. No hope of lasting long there.
    Like he'd be given time with us you think?

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