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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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Even Man Utd can't get the right manager. There is luck involved. Yes, avoid a Russell Slade or Mike Bassett, but no reason Feguson can't do as well as any other we get. No reason Jacko couldn't have done either.
Managers who have been successful for us were not certainties to do so when they were appointed.1 -
Other clubs don’t seem to have this problem. All fluff and nonsenseRonnieMoore said:
And he also said .. its very difficult to get agents to accept offers for players early in the window even if we want to do our business quickly .. they will always hold out to see other offers come in …Scoham said:
TS said recently it started a few months ago.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
I would hope that identifying targets was something that was completed well before Jackson was dismissed.Garrymanilow said:
Are we farting around or are we running a recruitment process? Identifying targets and then interviewing them isn't something that needs to be rushed at this stage. I'd be much more concerned if we just pulled in a manager with no research or direct engagement and then they didn't fit in with the club's plan going forward. This will be our fourth manager under Sandgaard, wouldn't hurt to take some time trying to get it rightMuttleyCAFC said:The more I think about what is realistic, the more Darren Ferguson springs to mind. He is available and we need to stop farting around and get a manager in. There is a lot to do and it needs to be done under a manager. Ferguson is competent enough to do a decent job if supported.6 -
When is the cut off date that we can officially go into delirious panic mode?Scoham said:The longer it goes on the more concerning it’ll be, but what evidence is there that news won’t emerge in the next few days with an appointment made next week?
I’m concerned next season could go horribly wrong, but there’s no evidence either way yet.
I gave Sandgaard the benefit of the doubt last summer. Won't get fooled again.1 -
I agree, I’m not saying I believe it’ll pay off. Identifying targets is one thing, signing them and getting most in early is another thing completely.eaststandmike said:
I will believe that when I see it. After the last three windows where we have been scrabbling about in the last few days picking up the dregs nothing would surprise me.Scoham said:
TS said recently it started a few months ago.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
I would hope that identifying targets was something that was completed well before Jackson was dismissed.Garrymanilow said:
Are we farting around or are we running a recruitment process? Identifying targets and then interviewing them isn't something that needs to be rushed at this stage. I'd be much more concerned if we just pulled in a manager with no research or direct engagement and then they didn't fit in with the club's plan going forward. This will be our fourth manager under Sandgaard, wouldn't hurt to take some time trying to get it rightMuttleyCAFC said:The more I think about what is realistic, the more Darren Ferguson springs to mind. He is available and we need to stop farting around and get a manager in. There is a lot to do and it needs to be done under a manager. Ferguson is competent enough to do a decent job if supported.2 -
Now if you want to, just expect some to disagree. Again I’m not saying I don’t have concerns but it’s 12th May, things could look very different in a months time.carly burn said:
When is the cut off date that we can officially go into delirious panic mode?Scoham said:The longer it goes on the more concerning it’ll be, but what evidence is there that news won’t emerge in the next few days with an appointment made next week?
I’m concerned next season could go horribly wrong, but there’s no evidence either way yet.
I gave Sandgaard the benefit of the doubt last summer. Won't get fooled again.0 -
Absolutely. Football season isn’t even over yet. For those where it is over they are quite possibly away on holiday and that goes for players and managers. I have no doubt we’ll have spoken to some players and I’m also sure some of those will have multiple offers. We might not want to drag it out but that won’t be the same for players and their advisers.Scoham said:
Now if you want to, just expect some to disagree. Again I’m not saying I don’t have concerns but it’s 12th May, things could look very different in a months time.carly burn said:
When is the cut off date that we can officially go into delirious panic mode?Scoham said:The longer it goes on the more concerning it’ll be, but what evidence is there that news won’t emerge in the next few days with an appointment made next week?
I’m concerned next season could go horribly wrong, but there’s no evidence either way yet.
I gave Sandgaard the benefit of the doubt last summer. Won't get fooled again.0 -
Our best bet is that Jason Euell sees managing Charlton as a stepping stone in his own development, takes the manager's job with his eyes open knowing how the 🤡 owner operates, does his best with whatever ragtag rabble of makeweights, crocks and youngsters he has shoved his way, and leaves next summer with his reputation in tact - if we better midtable = Euell's a genius - if it's a relegation fight all season = inadequate squad and shitshow ownership - no lose for JE
Nobody with any experience or talent is gonna take Sandgaard's shitty job, unless the bailiff's are at the door and they really need the money.3 -
Jacko the bookies favourite for the Wimbledon job, hope he gets it25
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He is if he ends up with us!The Red Robin said:Or is Chris Hughton a manager on his way down rather than up?8 -
I do sometimes wonder why people actually support Charlton. So much negativity all of the time must be very hard. People need to get a grip.25
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To clarify I meant identifying targets to replace Jackson as manager rather than player targets.Scoham said:
I agree, I’m not saying I believe it’ll pay off. Identifying targets is one thing, signing them and getting most in early is another thing completely.eaststandmike said:
I will believe that when I see it. After the last three windows where we have been scrabbling about in the last few days picking up the dregs nothing would surprise me.Scoham said:
TS said recently it started a few months ago.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
I would hope that identifying targets was something that was completed well before Jackson was dismissed.Garrymanilow said:
Are we farting around or are we running a recruitment process? Identifying targets and then interviewing them isn't something that needs to be rushed at this stage. I'd be much more concerned if we just pulled in a manager with no research or direct engagement and then they didn't fit in with the club's plan going forward. This will be our fourth manager under Sandgaard, wouldn't hurt to take some time trying to get it rightMuttleyCAFC said:The more I think about what is realistic, the more Darren Ferguson springs to mind. He is available and we need to stop farting around and get a manager in. There is a lot to do and it needs to be done under a manager. Ferguson is competent enough to do a decent job if supported.1 -
We have a large percentage of fans on here who just moan about everything.ShootersHillGuru said:I do sometimes wonder why people actually support Charlton. So much negativity all of the time must be very hard. People need to get a grip.23 -
Amen to that.redbuttle said:
We have a large percentage of fans on here who just moan about everything.ShootersHillGuru said:I do sometimes wonder why people actually support Charlton. So much negativity all of the time must be very hard. People need to get a grip.0 -
Most of the managers brought in that have 'no connection' or 'don't know what the clubs all about' were brought in under turgid owners, which is probably why it didn't work.2
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If only they knew we were a special club who play a totally different sport to all the other clubs!4
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I'd be happy if they gave it to Euell.8
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Who is he, do u mean Chris Hughton?cafcnick1992 said:Chris Houghton is a great shout. Why couldn't we attract someone like him?0 -
i said at the time that i would have given it to Euell instead of Adkins. Unfortunately, like Jackson before him, i think he's too deep in that changing room for the team to benefit from a change.MuttleyCAFC said:I'd be happy if they gave it to Euell.
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28 in 105 is worse than 33 in 115…addick1956 said:
Take away the Lincoln stint and you have 28 in 105. That isn't bad.cs1986 said:
33 goals in 115 games in last 3 seasons your definition of a very good goalscorer is a bit off there palRonnieMoore said:
Marquis is a very good league one goalscorer and to get him for 12 months would not be a bad bit if business Stockley Aneke Marquis and one other not a bad 4 at this levelgolfaddick said:Signing Marquis is a sure sign that we have no ambition. He wont get us promoted & doubt he'd sign to be cover for Stockley.
If he’s cheaper than Washington and willing to play fewer games, I’d understand the logic. At the moment though, I’m baffled by the suggestion that he’s under consideration.
Anyway, back to the manager discussion.3 -
Agree. No doubt that Jason is a very good coach but the thing is he’s that. A coach. He can be pally and share a laugh and joke with the dressing room. The manager in my opinion can’t or at least on his own terms. I want Jason to stay but I don’t want him promoted to manager. He is I’m sure too close to a lot of players to get that balance now. Should he move on and get the number one elsewhere then I’m sure he’ll thrive.cafcdave123 said:
i said at the time that i would have given it to Euell instead of Adkins. Unfortunately, like Jackson before him, i think he's too deep in that changing room for the team to benefit from a change.MuttleyCAFC said:I'd be happy if they gave it to Euell.1 -
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28 in 105 is worse than 33 in 115 mateaddick1956 said:
Take away the Lincoln stint and you have 28 in 105. That isn't bad.cs1986 said:
33 goals in 115 games in last 3 seasons your definition of a very good goalscorer is a bit off there palRonnieMoore said:
Marquis is a very good league one goalscorer and to get him for 12 months would not be a bad bit if business Stockley Aneke Marquis and one other not a bad 4 at this levelgolfaddick said:Signing Marquis is a sure sign that we have no ambition. He wont get us promoted & doubt he'd sign to be cover for Stockley.3 -
No he means Chris Houghton. He manages an under 9's team in Kansas CityRedhenry said:
Who is he, do u mean Chris Hughton?cafcnick1992 said:Chris Houghton is a great shout. Why couldn't we attract someone like him?1 -
Are you saying a coach can't become a manager? I always thought it was where you start.ShootersHillGuru said:
Agree. No doubt that Jason is a very good coach but the thing is he’s that. A coach. He can be pally and share a laugh and joke with the dressing room. The manager in my opinion can’t or at least on his own terms. I want Jason to stay but I don’t want him promoted to manager. He is I’m sure too close to a lot of players to get that balance now. Should he move on and get the number one elsewhere then I’m sure he’ll thrive.cafcdave123 said:
i said at the time that i would have given it to Euell instead of Adkins. Unfortunately, like Jackson before him, i think he's too deep in that changing room for the team to benefit from a change.MuttleyCAFC said:I'd be happy if they gave it to Euell.2 -
Quick!!! You can still get 33/1 on Rob Edwards to be our Manager with BetVic. Whoever said that some bookies are the equivalent of Dick Turpin without the mask weren't too far wrong.1
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It’s like everything, circumstances matter.MuttleyCAFC said:
Are you saying a coach can't become a manager? I always thought it was where you start.ShootersHillGuru said:
Agree. No doubt that Jason is a very good coach but the thing is he’s that. A coach. He can be pally and share a laugh and joke with the dressing room. The manager in my opinion can’t or at least on his own terms. I want Jason to stay but I don’t want him promoted to manager. He is I’m sure too close to a lot of players to get that balance now. Should he move on and get the number one elsewhere then I’m sure he’ll thrive.cafcdave123 said:
i said at the time that i would have given it to Euell instead of Adkins. Unfortunately, like Jackson before him, i think he's too deep in that changing room for the team to benefit from a change.MuttleyCAFC said:I'd be happy if they gave it to Euell.You’d want to look at the dynamic in the dressing room. If the coaches keep a distance from the players, trust them professionally, listen to their concerns and opinions but are not trying to be their “friend”, then it can work
I’d have more reservations if they were more “just one of the team”. To go from that to being in charge is difficult because now you may have to make difficult decisions that can impact a perceived friendship.So coach to manager - absolutely. Coach to manager on the same team - maybe not.4 -
Also not forgetting that JJ actually played with Jason Pearce. Not very often you see someone as a player, coach and then manager all at the same club within a 7-8 year period and be successful. He needs to go and coach/manage at a new club where he isnt JJ the club legend and all-round good guy.SomervilleAddick said:
It’s like everything, circumstances matter.MuttleyCAFC said:
Are you saying a coach can't become a manager? I always thought it was where you start.ShootersHillGuru said:
Agree. No doubt that Jason is a very good coach but the thing is he’s that. A coach. He can be pally and share a laugh and joke with the dressing room. The manager in my opinion can’t or at least on his own terms. I want Jason to stay but I don’t want him promoted to manager. He is I’m sure too close to a lot of players to get that balance now. Should he move on and get the number one elsewhere then I’m sure he’ll thrive.cafcdave123 said:
i said at the time that i would have given it to Euell instead of Adkins. Unfortunately, like Jackson before him, i think he's too deep in that changing room for the team to benefit from a change.MuttleyCAFC said:I'd be happy if they gave it to Euell.You’d want to look at the dynamic in the dressing room. If the coaches keep a distance from the players, trust them professionally, listen to their concerns and opinions but are not trying to be their “friend”, then it can work
I’d have more reservations if they were more “just one of the team”. To go from that to being in charge is difficult because now you may have to make difficult decisions that can impact a perceived friendship.So coach to manager - absolutely. Coach to manager on the same team - maybe not.1 -
Three players who were vocal in saying JJ should get the job were Purrington, Gilbey and Pearce, all 3 were dropped at various times when Jackson was manager. Unclear to me if he was too close to the players ?
No problem with POTY George Dobson and the wives may have been friends anyway.
Both Gilbey and Inniss should've been made too drive to Sparrows lane on a Sunday for a two hour session after their shit for brains, red cards.
I really hope the next manager has the Midas touch because our fan/critic base is divided more than I have ever know it.
More factions than you see in the middle East.
Reset, and don't expect us to smash it then you can't be disappointed; or do you just enjoy being angry or skittish ?
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Of course not. What I’m saying is that I think Jason is too close to our dressing room to make that jump at Charlton. If he decides to pursue his career elsewhere as manager I’m sure he’ll do very well.MuttleyCAFC said:
Are you saying a coach can't become a manager? I always thought it was where you start.ShootersHillGuru said:
Agree. No doubt that Jason is a very good coach but the thing is he’s that. A coach. He can be pally and share a laugh and joke with the dressing room. The manager in my opinion can’t or at least on his own terms. I want Jason to stay but I don’t want him promoted to manager. He is I’m sure too close to a lot of players to get that balance now. Should he move on and get the number one elsewhere then I’m sure he’ll thrive.cafcdave123 said:
i said at the time that i would have given it to Euell instead of Adkins. Unfortunately, like Jackson before him, i think he's too deep in that changing room for the team to benefit from a change.MuttleyCAFC said:I'd be happy if they gave it to Euell.0 -
Was it BetVictor who tried to get Charlton fans to bet on Matt Godden joining us by claiming it was a done deal, when it wasntAddick Addict said:Quick!!! You can still get 33/1 on Rob Edwards to be our Manager with BetVic. Whoever said that some bookies are the equivalent of Dick Turpin without the mask weren't too far wrong.0 -
Euell just keeping seat warm working with SG on recruitment.. he will end up at Wimbledon with JJShowmetheway2gohome said:Jason Euell will be manager by Christmas when our new manager turns out to be a load of shit like Adkins and most of the other managers we’ve brought in with now previous connections with our club and know nothing about what this club is all about.1
