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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    RC_CAFC said:
    In truth, be very happy with this 👍 Wasn’t there an Exeter player that we were after but went slightly higher up the pyramid? Could have been Peterborough.
    Anyone who's first name, or surname, rhymes with handle.  Or left backs that weren't actually left backs 
  • chev
    chev Posts: 242
    https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace/teams/charlton-athletic
  • BR7_addick
    BR7_addick Posts: 10,210
    Covered End said:
    Re Matt Taylor -
    Exeter are a lower L1/top L2 team.
    The fact that it took Taylor 4 years to get Exeter promoted in 2nd place, isn't a massive plus for me.
    The fact that he's probably a really nice bloke, isn't a massive plus for me, so was JJ.
    The fact that he's not managed above L2 is a negative for me.
    The fact that he switched from goalie to outfield at age 23, doesn't really clinch it for me that he's a wonderfully versatile manager/coach. To be blunt, it is not relevant.

    I'm not unhappy if it's Taylor, but I know the likes of Warburton have the better CV.
    You think cos it took 4 years it’s a bad thing?  I see it as a good thing, shows what a bit of faith and patience can do in the midst of modern day revolving door management.  

    Also shows he improved as a manager with time in his first role.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    edited May 2022
    Can some one explain how we won at Rotherham if the intensity dropped off late in the season when the miller men were desperate to win ?
    I would love to see the stats on our games over the season by the Cafc analysts.

    I agree we must've played in flip flops against Ipswich but we know there was issues by then over the uncertainty over contracts.
  • Addick_and_Chips
    Addick_and_Chips Posts: 444
    Would be very happy with Taylor. He's done a fantastic job at Exeter. 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    soapboxsam said:
    Can some one explain how we won at Rotherham if the intensity dropped off late in the season when the miller men were desperate to win ?
    I would love to see the stats on our games over the season by the Cafc analysts.

    I agree we must've played in flip flops against Ipswich but we know there was issues by then over the uncertainty over contracts.
    Probably more accurate to say we were inconsistent, there were games where it picked up but others where we didn’t press well at all.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,284
    Scoham said:
    NabySarr said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    As Cawley has posted this, I would assume a deal is close.

    Matt Taylor ticks a lot of boxes, I just hope he is given time
    Having never seen Exeter play, are you able to say what sort of football and formation they play?

    I assume it’s the fluid, high press style that Sandgaard wants and demands?
    It is not. This season they have played 3-4-1-2 but they are about mid-table for pressing in league 2. Jackson's press was top 6 in league 1. Think Sandgaards comments were about how it dropped off and became a lot less intense. I don't think that was Jacksons fault though as the players did not put the same effort in once they had nothing to play for
    Agree the intensity dropped off but it could be argued it was Jackson’s job to keep the squad motivated rather than entirely blaming the players.
    Think even Jurgen Klopp would struggle to get an intense press from a team with nothing to play for and most being out of contract or on loan. He kept them going better than I expected tbh in that final 10 games I was expecting similar to Powell 2011 but we actually did ok until Ipswich 
  • king addick
    king addick Posts: 3,699
    The Red Robin said:
    king addick said:
    Would be very happy with Taylor. 4 years experience of building a team on a small budget to get them promoted. Shows he had the patience, determination and general talent to get a handle on things. 
    He’ll need an owner with the same commitment, consistency and patience. I’m not sure we can say that about Sandgaard and I’m not sure I’d think it’s worth the risk if I were Taylor or any other manager currently at a club. 
    Yeah I get that. I do think though that Taylor will want to progress his own career and a poor season with Exeter due to lack of funds or whatever could really dent his prospects. 
    This is the profile Sandgaard is chasing so he would have to follow his own advice if he wants the success..appreciate that isn't a given.

  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,508
    edited May 2022
    soapboxsam said:
    Can some one explain how we won at Rotherham if the intensity dropped off late in the season when the miller men were desperate to win ?
    I would love to see the stats on our games over the season by the Cafc analysts.

    I agree we must've played in flip flops against Ipswich but we know there was issues by then over the uncertainty over contracts.
    Assume you haven't seen the hours of work put up by @lancashire lad..on the thread "End of Season Statbank", if not give it a read... B)
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,284
    soapboxsam said:
    Can some one explain how we won at Rotherham if the intensity dropped off late in the season when the miller men were desperate to win ?
    I would love to see the stats on our games over the season by the Cafc analysts.

    I agree we must've played in flip flops against Ipswich but we know there was issues by then over the uncertainty over contracts.
    I think this is where TS comments make a bit more sense. I think he said we struggled to break down a low block and I think it is probably right that we didn’t do well against the poorer teams in the league that were more likely to sit back and defend. But against the better teams like Rotherham we usually did better. Again I don’t think this was Jackson’s fault as the team didn’t have anyone good at unlocking a set defence because JFC/ Fraser weren’t fit enough and Lee was playing terribly. So all we had was pass to CBT and see what he can do 
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  • Billyboy
    Billyboy Posts: 518
    Taylor in to 9/2 with William hill
  • matt88
    matt88 Posts: 465

  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    Exciting. He was one of my two top targets and will be really pleased if he gets the gig.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    matt88 said:

    Interesting point but there could be explanations, for example Taylor might not have played his preferred style because he’s had to adapt to the players he has available with Exeter’s budget.
  • king addick
    king addick Posts: 3,699
    matt88 said:

    But played well and got promoted all the same...
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    eastterrace6168 said:
    soapboxsam said:
    Can some one explain how we won at Rotherham if the intensity dropped off late in the season when the miller men were desperate to win ?
    I would love to see the stats on our games over the season by the Cafc analysts.

    I agree we must've played in flip flops against Ipswich but we know there was issues by then over the uncertainty over contracts.
    Assume you haven't seen the hours of work put up by @lancashire lad..on the thread "End of Season Statbank", if not give it a read... B)

    I have and Lancs lad is excellent. 
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    FishCostaFortune said:
    The Red Robin said:
    king addick said:
    Would be very happy with Taylor. 4 years experience of building a team on a small budget to get them promoted. Shows he had the patience, determination and general talent to get a handle on things. 
    He’ll need an owner with the same commitment, consistency and patience. I’m not sure we can say that about Sandgaard and I’m not sure I’d think it’s worth the risk if I were Taylor or any other manager currently at a club. 
    And a fan base. 
    Agreed 
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    matt88 said:

    I like a high press but each successful manager or coach will have their own methods. On that basis Sandgaard would turn down Simeone and Ancelotti. 
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    matt88 said:

    Ahh yes of course. Someone has definitely sat down and processed the data of pressing for every single League One and League Two club. 

    These stats are always unsourced and not to be trusted 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    Scoham said:
    Covered End said:
    Re Matt Taylor -
    Exeter are a lower L1/top L2 team.
    The fact that it took Taylor 4 years to get Exeter promoted in 2nd place, isn't a massive plus for me.
    The fact that he's probably a really nice bloke, isn't a massive plus for me, so was JJ.
    The fact that he's not managed above L2 is a negative for me.
    The fact that he switched from goalie to outfield at age 23, doesn't really clinch it for me that he's a wonderfully versatile manager/coach. To be blunt, it is not relevant.

    I'm not unhappy if it's Taylor, but I know the likes of Warburton have the better CV.
    Does anyone know what kind of budget he’s had at Exeter and how it compares with the rest of the league?

    @Addick Addict?
    I don't but he was allowed to spend some of the money to get the signings he wanted after losing those three or four players. 

     
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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    Would be happy with Taylor. He would get my full support.

    Matt Taylor's Red & White Army!
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,342
    edited May 2022

    ShootersHillGuru said:
    cafcdave123 said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    I'd be happy if they gave it to Euell.
    i said at the time that i would have given it to Euell instead of Adkins. Unfortunately, like Jackson before him, i think he's too deep in that changing room for the team to benefit from a change.  


    Agree. No doubt that Jason is a very good coach but the thing is he’s that. A coach. He can be pally and share a laugh and joke with the dressing room. The manager in my opinion can’t or at least on his own terms. I want Jason to stay but I don’t want him promoted to manager. He is I’m sure too close to a lot of players to get that balance now. Should he move on and get the number one elsewhere then I’m sure he’ll thrive.
    When was our fly on the wall documentary on Netflix where we got this info from
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,220
    Michael Carrick

    Discuss
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Henry Irving said:
    Michael Carrick

    Discuss
    To main stream for the hipsters.  

    I did see someone say they don't want him because his teams don't play attacking football.  Based on his 3 game management career.  In which he was unbeaten.

    Not the worst name linked to us, probably be a good manager for someone.
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,476
    Oi Henry stop playing your silly games.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,559
    Henry Irving said:
    Michael Carrick

    Discuss
    Who are you going to throw out there next Henry?
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    edited May 2022
    Has anyone thought that Rotherham are very good at getting promoted from League 1 (not so good at staying up) and Michael Smith is similar to Stockley; May be a tad better on the deck. With super Sub Aneke the goal every 90 minutes next season shouldn't we try to copy the hard working methods of the Miller men as opposed to getting the blue print from Pep Guardiola which we should purloined once we are back in the Championship ?

    Passing from the flanks by wing back or attacking backs or CBT for JS and CS  to run on to not aimless boots up field which is so frustrating to watch as the ball goes flying over their heads.

    Just saying as I don't think this high press will be possible for Cafc players for more than 45 minutes max unless we replace most of the squad.

    Still prefer Warburton as new boss, as the assistant coach at Villa, Beale, won't be enameled with Thomas saying last time that Charlton have to aim higher than him. Not a great endorsement if you feel later he is the man you want.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,220
    LargeAddick said:
    Henry Irving said:
    Michael Carrick

    Discuss
    Who are you going to throw out there next Henry?
    Tell you on Monday 
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    Henry Irving said:
    Michael Carrick

    Discuss
    What does he know about league 1
    what managerial experience does he have

    it’s a no from me
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    The Red Robin said:
    They have to let him bring his own coaching staff as well
    As long as he leave Ajose there

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