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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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He’s been gone too long.ecclesaddick said:Nathan Jones ?3 -
...deja vu...guinnessaddick said:
He’s been gone too long.ecclesaddick said:Nathan Jones ?
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Other than Brighton under Poyet, Bournemouth under Howe, and M K Dons who reached the play offs before losing to the functional Wycombe, Thomas may have set his ambitions rather high with this Man city way of playing with a high press as Cafc players would be cream crackered by HT.
The three teams mentioned above played attractive football but it was about accurate passing and ball retention and moving into space nothing to do with a high press. It was about making your opponents frustrated as they couldn't get the ball !
Burnley were predicable in League 1 with their 4-4-2 attacking and 4-4-1-1 out of possession but it played to the strength of their players at that time in their development. Dyche also did the same in the Championship.
The new manager needs to be appointed ASAP and sell his ideas to the Sandgaard's and then with the help of Gallen add the players to the chosen formation of the new boss. Unless you have a 15 to 20 goal attacking midfielder i would always play two up front. Yann playing behind or alongside BWP also worked when Yann was a number 10 but we have struggled mainly with the lone striker under Robinson and Atkins especially.
It would be crazy to have Stockley, Aneke and Inniss-from corners and set pieces for 13 games ! and not play to their strengths which is crossing from out wide so they can attack the dodgy CB in the third tier. Sure pass the ball around with some skill with the likes of JFC and Fraser but I find it exciting to see CBT go past people with both feet but likewise work on DJ - or replace him by crossing the ball in quicker and accurately. I personally don't care if we make 20 passes or 2 before we score.
Mix and match and play to the strength of the players you have.
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I think Thomas wants modern attacking football. That will include where it’s feasible a high press game but I think his ambition is for football that’s exciting and attractive to watch rather than a 100% prescriptive brief. There’s no real reason why footballers in league one should be less fit than in any other division. You do of course need to take into account league one footballers are often there because of previous issues but I’m guessing that the intention is to build a young, fit, talented group who can progress as a squad upwards. With our top end (ish) league one budget and the right coach I think it’s fully achievable over a period of two to three seasons. I’m willing to wait if that delivers.13
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I couple of things.
Is attacking football modern? I think a lot of things, high presses, low blocks, double pivots, false 9s etc etc are as old as the hills but they all have names now because there is so much air time and column inches to fill.
Do managers, in general, really have way they think the game should be played or a way they think they win the most games with the resources available? You can afford an ideology when you have the resources, you have to be more pragmatic when you don't.3 -
I’m not sure if he’s been mentioned but Garner from Swindon in L2 has done a great job with not a lot. Young at 40 y/o, plus comes with a raft of experience assisting other managers. Most attacking team in L2 too and took Swindon up first time of asking! Rather him then Matt Taylor tbh0
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Attacking football is nothing new but the delivery of how the attacking football works is more so. Having out and out wingers and a target man or focus are gone in all the best teams. It wasn’t that long ago that you could still find this in the PL.Cafc43v3r said:I couple of things.
Is attacking football modern? I think a lot of things, high presses, low blocks, double pivots, false 9s etc etc are as old as the hills but they all have names now because there is so much air time and column inches to fill.
Do managers, in general, really have way they think the game should be played or a way they think they win the most games with the resources available? You can afford an ideology when you have the resources, you have to be more pragmatic when you don't.4 -
We should just announce Alex McLeish and get it out of the way.5
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I think the main reason for that is there aren't enough good ones to go round. Pep keeps trying to do with Zlatan at Barca and now Haaland at city.ShootersHillGuru said:
Attacking football is nothing new but the delivery of how the attacking football works is more so. Having out and out wingers and a target man or focus are gone in all the best teams. It wasn’t that long ago that you could still find this in the PL.Cafc43v3r said:I couple of things.
Is attacking football modern? I think a lot of things, high presses, low blocks, double pivots, false 9s etc etc are as old as the hills but they all have names now because there is so much air time and column inches to fill.
Do managers, in general, really have way they think the game should be played or a way they think they win the most games with the resources available? You can afford an ideology when you have the resources, you have to be more pragmatic when you don't.
Bayern Munich and Real Madrid still play with a center foward, because they have got good ones. They all keep buy Lukaku.
If Liverpool wanted one who would they buy and how much would it cost?
Spain won everything without one but as soon as they could pick Costa they did.0 -
Chelsea playing in the women's FA Cup Final today.
When that's over Emma Hayes finishes her season.
Next step Charlton men's side?
Pros
Experienced coach and manager who's won a lot of trophies.
At 45 experienced but still young.
Worked in the states so might connect with TS.
Publicity of second female manager in pro men's football, after Gabriella Benson, would be huge and might appeal to TS although he's not "Woke" (sic).
Cons
Emma has no experience in men's football.
Some players and fans may feel she lacks credibility because of that lack of experience as well as her gender.
The media circus would be a unwelcome distraction to many and the whole thing seen as a stunt by others.
Chants of "Hayes Out" would be distasteful.
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If Emma Hayes or even her namesake Ben could get Charlton back to The Championship and even further they would get my 100% support. I’d be shocked if she got it though.Henry Irving said:Chelsea playing in the women's FA Cup Final today.
When that's over Emma Hayes finishes her season.
Next step Charlton men's side?
Pros
Experienced coach and manager who's won a lot of trophies.
At 45 experienced but still young.
Worked in the states so might connect with TS.
Publicity of second female manager in pro men's football, after Gabriella Benson, would be huge and might appeal to TS although he's not "Woke" (sic).
Cons
Emma has no experience in men's football.
Some players and fans may feel she lacks credibility because of that lack of experience as well as her gender.
The media circus would be a unwelcome distraction to many and the whole thing seen as a stunt by others.
Chants of "Hayes Out" would be distasteful.
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If that's the logic what hope does Taylor have. Better tell the bookies take him out of the betting.guinnessaddick said:
He’s been gone too long.ecclesaddick said:Nathan Jones ?5 -
Pep sold Zlatan because he didn’t suit his system. Haaland is a fair bit more than a target man.Cafc43v3r said:
I think the main reason for that is there aren't enough good ones to go round. Pep keeps trying to do with Zlatan at Barca and now Haaland at city.ShootersHillGuru said:
Attacking football is nothing new but the delivery of how the attacking football works is more so. Having out and out wingers and a target man or focus are gone in all the best teams. It wasn’t that long ago that you could still find this in the PL.Cafc43v3r said:I couple of things.
Is attacking football modern? I think a lot of things, high presses, low blocks, double pivots, false 9s etc etc are as old as the hills but they all have names now because there is so much air time and column inches to fill.
Do managers, in general, really have way they think the game should be played or a way they think they win the most games with the resources available? You can afford an ideology when you have the resources, you have to be more pragmatic when you don't.
Bayern Munich and Real Madrid still play with a center foward, because they have got good ones. They all keep buy Lukaku.
If Liverpool wanted one who would they buy and how much would it cost?
Spain won everything without one but as soon as they could pick Costa they did.2 -
Emma Hayes is too good for Charlton at the moment. If she’s to transfer to the men’s game it’s gotta be Championship level. I think she’ll stay in the women’s game in some capacity though.Henry Irving said:Chelsea playing in the women's FA Cup Final today.
When that's over Emma Hayes finishes her season.
Next step Charlton men's side?
Pros
Experienced coach and manager who's won a lot of trophies.
At 45 experienced but still young.
Worked in the states so might connect with TS.
Publicity of second female manager in pro men's football, after Gabriella Benson, would be huge and might appeal to TS although he's not "Woke" (sic).
Cons
Emma has no experience in men's football.
Some players and fans may feel she lacks credibility because of that lack of experience as well as her gender.
The media circus would be a unwelcome distraction to many and the whole thing seen as a stunt by others.
Chants of "Hayes Out" would be distasteful.
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Waiting for the womens fa cup and announcing Emma Hayes2
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Ok, I'll bite.
No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.
Ok, I've said it. So sue me.7 -
Well, it will happen whether you like it or not.golfaddick said:Ok, I'll bite.
No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.
Ok, I've said it. So sue me.
Think of the positives, you'll have yet another thing to moan about 😄20 -
He also bought Zlatan in the first place. The point is he isnt opposed to having one, he is opposed to shoe horning one in who isn't good enough.The Red Robin said:
Pep sold Zlatan because he didn’t suit his system. Haaland is a fair bit more than a target man.Cafc43v3r said:
I think the main reason for that is there aren't enough good ones to go round. Pep keeps trying to do with Zlatan at Barca and now Haaland at city.ShootersHillGuru said:
Attacking football is nothing new but the delivery of how the attacking football works is more so. Having out and out wingers and a target man or focus are gone in all the best teams. It wasn’t that long ago that you could still find this in the PL.Cafc43v3r said:I couple of things.
Is attacking football modern? I think a lot of things, high presses, low blocks, double pivots, false 9s etc etc are as old as the hills but they all have names now because there is so much air time and column inches to fill.
Do managers, in general, really have way they think the game should be played or a way they think they win the most games with the resources available? You can afford an ideology when you have the resources, you have to be more pragmatic when you don't.
Bayern Munich and Real Madrid still play with a center foward, because they have got good ones. They all keep buy Lukaku.
If Liverpool wanted one who would they buy and how much would it cost?
Spain won everything without one but as soon as they could pick Costa they did.0 -
Can’t see why. Coaching and good ideas for football are not the preserve of men. I don’t see a problem. We’re not asking her to go in goal are we.golfaddick said:Ok, I'll bite.
No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.
Ok, I've said it. So sue me.6 - Sponsored links:
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Did you moan when there were men managing the women's National football team? I bet you didn't!golfaddick said:Ok, I'll bite.
No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.
Ok, I've said it. So sue me.2 -
Pep clearly likes a striker, completely agree he’s played a false 9 because of a lack of options.Cafc43v3r said:
He also bought Zlatan in the first place. The point is he isnt opposed to having one, he is opposed to shoe horning one in who isn't good enough.The Red Robin said:
Pep sold Zlatan because he didn’t suit his system. Haaland is a fair bit more than a target man.Cafc43v3r said:
I think the main reason for that is there aren't enough good ones to go round. Pep keeps trying to do with Zlatan at Barca and now Haaland at city.ShootersHillGuru said:
Attacking football is nothing new but the delivery of how the attacking football works is more so. Having out and out wingers and a target man or focus are gone in all the best teams. It wasn’t that long ago that you could still find this in the PL.Cafc43v3r said:I couple of things.
Is attacking football modern? I think a lot of things, high presses, low blocks, double pivots, false 9s etc etc are as old as the hills but they all have names now because there is so much air time and column inches to fill.
Do managers, in general, really have way they think the game should be played or a way they think they win the most games with the resources available? You can afford an ideology when you have the resources, you have to be more pragmatic when you don't.
Bayern Munich and Real Madrid still play with a center foward, because they have got good ones. They all keep buy Lukaku.
If Liverpool wanted one who would they buy and how much would it cost?
Spain won everything without one but as soon as they could pick Costa they did.I think you’re probably wrong about attacking football not being modern. The game has clearly developed, I heard Lineker recently talking about how the game had changed from an attacking perspective. It probably occurred a bit in places like Spain but English football has been reluctant to change its ways. Pep and Klopp have clearly helped accelerate the change too. I actually think midfielders have changed more than strikers though.0 -
I'd be completely content with Taylor, but to be honest for all the talk of having a young attacking manager for the future, I'm really not convinced how much of a difference that makes at League One level really I think the squad is far more important.
It's when you are in the Championship that you need that top quality manager as that's when you can really mould your squad with better quality players. Powell/Bowyer clearly aren't top managers but with a strong squad have been able to get promoted.
I'd rather Taylor than the other names in the betting odds though for sure. The Carrick shout did interest me though in terms of the same thought process that just even if he's not a great coach, he might have the contacts to get us some better loans etc2 -
It strikes me that we need a manager who can get the confidence of TS and communicate with him so that he doesn't get silly ideas. I'm not sure if Bowyer or Jackson ever achieved such a relationship, and while Adkins did his thinking was just outdated. Football owners need to be managed as well as players and the coaching staff, and while TS is an infinite improvement on recent versions this is still the case. Most successful clubs in the long term have good relationships between the manager and owner. Taylor has done well on this score at Exeter, although the fan owned set up there may be different from our own.
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Yawn, what shockgolfaddick said:Ok, I'll bite.
No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.
Ok, I've said it. So sue me.0 -
Henry Irving;
is he just throwing out some left-field suggestions to get his like/lol count up?
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The only downside I can see is that some players would probably try to make life difficult for a female manager. At first at least.ShootersHillGuru said:
Can’t see why. Coaching and good ideas for football are not the preserve of men. I don’t see a problem. We’re not asking her to go in goal are we.golfaddick said:Ok, I'll bite.
No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.
Ok, I've said it. So sue me.0 -
Couldn't give a toss about woman's football tbh.Redmidland said:
Did you moan when there were men managing the women's National football team? I bet you didn't!golfaddick said:Ok, I'll bite.
No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.
Ok, I've said it. So sue me.7 -
Would that be a lady manager
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Yes.CatAddick said:Henry Irving;
is he just throwing out some left-field suggestions to get his like/lol count up?
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Now that his given up wearing cardigans he has to have some other way of garning attention.1
