Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)

ShootersHillGuru said:

golfaddick said:

Ok, I'll bite.

No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.

Ok, I've said it. So sue me.

Can’t see why. Coaching and good ideas for football are not the preserve of men. I don’t see a problem. We’re not asking her to go in goal are we.

Sure, if it is just a coach you're looking for. Managers tend to have more over-arching duties including handling personal issues, dressing somebody down when necessary, there are natural differences between the characters or women vs men. Maybe when this particular change happens in English football it will be a success, jury is still out for me on whether a woman in charge would be able to reign in 20+ young men all with bags of banter and attitude, having to retain that level of respect at the helm. 
There's every chance Emma would come in and be a success, but as we haven't seen a female manager in the mens English game yet, I for one would rather us not be the guinea pig of this particular social experiment considering how wide apart the women's game currently is from the mens.

How are there male managers in the women's game then?

golfaddick said:

JamesSeed said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

golfaddick said:

Ok, I'll bite.

No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.

Ok, I've said it. So sue me.

Can’t see why. Coaching and good ideas for football are not the preserve of men. I don’t see a problem. We’re not asking her to go in goal are we.

The only downside I can see is that some players would probably try to make life difficult for a female manager. At first at least. 

You dont think a women wandering around a male dressing room when players are in  the state of undress just slightly wrong. I bet there would be uproar of it was the other way round.

A man managing a women's team? 

Ah. The woman manager angle has gained some traction I see.

The Red Robin said:

Vfrf said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

golfaddick said:

Ok, I'll bite.

No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.

Ok, I've said it. So sue me.

Can’t see why. Coaching and good ideas for football are not the preserve of men. I don’t see a problem. We’re not asking her to go in goal are we.

Sure, if it is just a coach you're looking for. Managers tend to have more over-arching duties including handling personal issues, dressing somebody down when necessary, there are natural differences between the characters or women vs men. Maybe when this particular change happens in English football it will be a success, jury is still out for me on whether a woman in charge would be able to reign in 20+ young men all with bags of banter and attitude, having to retain that level of respect at the helm. 
There's every chance Emma would come in and be a success, but as we haven't seen a female manager in the mens English game yet, I for one would rather us not be the guinea pig of this particular social experiment considering how wide apart the women's game currently is from the mens.

Not a chance she’d drop down to manage us anyway 

Good.

LargeAddick said:

The Red Robin said:

Vfrf said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

golfaddick said:

Ok, I'll bite.

No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.

Ok, I've said it. So sue me.

Can’t see why. Coaching and good ideas for football are not the preserve of men. I don’t see a problem. We’re not asking her to go in goal are we.

Sure, if it is just a coach you're looking for. Managers tend to have more over-arching duties including handling personal issues, dressing somebody down when necessary, there are natural differences between the characters or women vs men. Maybe when this particular change happens in English football it will be a success, jury is still out for me on whether a woman in charge would be able to reign in 20+ young men all with bags of banter and attitude, having to retain that level of respect at the helm. 
There's every chance Emma would come in and be a success, but as we haven't seen a female manager in the mens English game yet, I for one would rather us not be the guinea pig of this particular social experiment considering how wide apart the women's game currently is from the mens.

Not a chance she’d drop down to manage us anyway 

Good.

True, give us more Adkins types 

CatAddick said:

Henry Irving;
is he just throwing out some left-field suggestions to get his like/lol count up?

Discuss

Does @CatAddickthink they are just "random" names?

Discuss.

MuttleyCAFC said:

How are there male managers in the women's game then?

It's almost like some people think either the managers can't wait until the opposite sex are decent or simply can't think of them in a non-sexual manner. 

I mean seriously. It's 2022 and we still have people (Golfie) thinking in a very old fashioned way about the opposite sex. Says more about their thinking imo.

I wonder how many of the people dismissing Hayes as an option have any idea who she is, what her management style is like, what her tactical preference is, how she handles man management etc. Or are some just saying no because they saw a women's game on TV 6 years ago and decided they didn't like it? I reckon I can guess.

Henry Irving said:

CatAddick said:

Henry Irving;
is he just throwing out some left-field suggestions to get his like/lol count up?

Discuss

Does @CatAddickthink they are just "random" names?

Discuss.

Definitely not random 😉  

MrOneLung said:

Golfie had a female boss once and it infuriated him so much he became self employed 

Kept waking in on him when he was naked. To be fair, he really should wear clothes at his desk. 

LargeAddick said:

Garrymanilow said:

I wonder how many of the people dismissing Hayes as an option have any idea who she is, what her management style is like, what her tactical preference is, how she handles man management etc. Or are some just saying no because they saw a women's game on TV 6 years ago and decided they didn't like it? I reckon I can guess.

Whenever I have seen her as a pundit she has made a lot of valid points and was very insightful and talked a lot of sense most of which I agreed with. She has also been very successful. However there is something about her I don’t like, just like there is something I don’t like about Lee Johnson for example. Nothing to do with gender.

I wouldn’t have an issue with a woman manager as long as she was the best candidate for the job and not just a tick box exercise.

I disagree with someone earlier saying Hayes should be looking for a Championship job. The women’s game is, in my opinion, totally different to the men’s game and she needs to earn her stripes as it were.

Not totally different, imho, just less physical, and a little slower. But the gap has narrowed over the last ten years and will continue to do so. It’ll never be exactly the same as men’s though, but not 100% sure if that matters. 

cafcfan1990 said:

Cafc43v3r said:

The Red Robin said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

I couple of things. 

Is attacking football modern?  I think a lot of things, high presses, low blocks, double pivots, false 9s etc etc are as old as the hills but they all have names now because there is so much air time and column inches to fill.

Do managers, in general, really have way they think the game should be played or a way they think they win the most games with the resources available?   You can afford an ideology when you have the resources, you have to be more pragmatic when you don't. 

Attacking football is nothing new but the delivery of how the attacking football works is more so. Having out and out wingers and a target man or focus are gone in all the best teams. It wasn’t that long ago that you could still find this in the PL. 

I think the main reason for that is there aren't enough good ones to go round.  Pep keeps trying to do with Zlatan at Barca and now Haaland at city. 

Bayern Munich and Real Madrid still play with a center foward, because they have got good ones.  They all keep buy Lukaku. 

If Liverpool wanted one who would they buy and how much would it cost?

Spain won everything without one but as soon as they could pick Costa they did. 

Pep sold Zlatan because he didn’t suit his system. Haaland is a fair bit more than a target man.

He also bought Zlatan in the first place.  The point is he isnt opposed to having one, he is opposed to shoe horning one in who isn't good enough.

Pep clearly likes a striker, completely agree he’s played a false 9 because of a lack of options. 

I think you’re probably wrong about attacking football not being modern. The game has clearly developed, I heard Lineker recently talking about how the game had changed from an attacking perspective. It probably occurred a bit in places like Spain but English football has been reluctant to change its ways. Pep and Klopp have clearly helped accelerate the change too. I actually think midfielders have changed more than strikers though. 

It depends what you actually mean by modern.  Pepe's football is based in a philosophy that's deeply rooted in the late 60s/early 70s.  

The reason English football has changed so much in the last 30 years is more than managers having different philosophies.  There are more better players playing on better pitches and the players are much, much fitter.  Brian Cloughs forest players couldn't play like Liverpool or City do because they weren't fit enough, the pitches were too bad and actually they weren't good enough.

I was watching the highlights of Liverpool v Forest from 1988 earlier (its on YouTube if you want to watch it) and the football wasn't that much different to most things you see now.  

I think the point about managers choosing systems/styles to win games with the resources available, as opposed to an ideology that thats how the game should be played, is valid.  Anyone that saw George Graham play and manage would back that up.  Remember "hoof ball" was actually invented, and adopted as standard, due to scientific research by Charles Reep.  We know it still works, when done properly. 

That said even managers like Big Sam had teams playing " progressive" football, when he had the players.  They were still good at the other stuff as well though.