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There is no reason why a woman can't be as tactically astute and able to manage a men's team as a man is. We don't really need to continue this conversation really.9
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Of course it isn't, it's simply stating facts. There is no comparison in terms of quality.cafc999 said:Women's football has improved no end in the last few years but it it still has a long way to go to reach the levels the men's game has got to.
It's neither a step up or step down, to say that is disrespectful
For example the US Women's team (who had recently won the world cup) played and lost 5v2 against an under 15 boys team, not long after.5 -
Anyone know any decent U15 managers that might be willing to make the step down?J BLOCK said:
Of course it isn't, it's simply stating facts. There is no comparison in terms of quality.cafc999 said:Women's football has improved no end in the last few years but it it still has a long way to go to reach the levels the men's game has got to.
It's neither a step up or step down, to say that is disrespectful
For example the US Women's team (who had recently won the world cup) played and lost 5v2 against an under 15 boys team, not long after.8 -
90+ new posts,thought something had happened....silly me21
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seth plum said:4pm today was my prediction.
Have you a name to go with the time ?0 -
Shadab Iftikhar is the left field pick.soapboxsam said:seth plum said:4pm today was my prediction.
Have you a name to go with the time ?0 -
Not as the first woman to manage an English men's club - biggest job there could be.The Red Robin said:
People can laugh all they want on here but it’s true.Rothko said:Chelsea's women team manager is a bigger job then ours
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I've got an idea. Why not make a Women's VS Men's game comparison thread and debate there?
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Irving, you did this7
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explain what coaching and tactics can be employed by men that cannot be used by female players.Vfrf said:
How do you qualify that statement when it's never been done?MrOneLung said:
@vfrf - why would a woman managing a group of male footballers be any different to a woman managing a group of male accountants, doctors, bank staff, bakers etcVfrf said:
Sure, if it is just a coach you're looking for. Managers tend to have more over-arching duties including handling personal issues, dressing somebody down when necessary, there are natural differences between the characters or women vs men. Maybe when this particular change happens in English football it will be a success, jury is still out for me on whether a woman in charge would be able to reign in 20+ young men all with bags of banter and attitude, having to retain that level of respect at the helm.ShootersHillGuru said:
Can’t see why. Coaching and good ideas for football are not the preserve of men. I don’t see a problem. We’re not asking her to go in goal are we.golfaddick said:Ok, I'll bite.
No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.
Ok, I've said it. So sue me.
There's every chance Emma would come in and be a success, but as we haven't seen a female manager in the mens English game yet, I for one would rather us not be the guinea pig of this particular social experiment considering how wide apart the women's game currently is from the mens.
There is absolutely no difference in managing a women's team to managing a men's team.
In all of those industries you've mentioned, there's often a relatively balanced mix of both sexes in the actual teams. As a female manager in mens football, you'll often be the only female in the room unless you bring your own background staff so to say there's absolutely no difference is a hell of an assumption. You can't get past the biology of there being differences in men and women, also for what it's worth, I never said she'd be unsuccessful - I just said I don't want us to be the first team to do it as it could backfire and I'm quite frankly fed up with gambling and saying 'next year we'll kick on'.
the biology is irrelevant to tactics, unless you want the striker to squeeze the defenders balls as the corner comes in.0 - Sponsored links:
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seth plum said:
Shadab Iftikhar is the left field pick.soapboxsam said:seth plum said:4pm today was my prediction.
Have you a name to go with the time ?
Shad has international experience as well with coaching the Mongolian team who are really fit guys with plenty of horse power.0 -
It's Golfie's fault he started the whole men/women debate lolRedvalleyeast said:90+ new posts,thought something had happened....silly me0 -
Why has this thread turned into a conversation around women’s football? I really don’t want to, nor do I expect to have to, read about it when trying to read the latest conversation around who the next Charlton manager may or may not be.19
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Yeah more on topic please? Nothing against woman's football at all and open for Emma to be our next manager but right now there seems to be very few names flying around, especially if you compare with the AFCW vacancyFishCostaFortune said:Why has this thread turned into a conversation around women’s football? I really don’t want to, nor do I expect to have to, read about it when trying to read the latest conversation around who the next Charlton manager may or may not be.1 -
I didn't ever claim is was relevant to tactics, but it makes a difference with how you handle their personal lives, their feelings/emotions, I'm not going to break down male vs female psychology on a football forum but if you think that men and women think/feel exactly the same as eachother and will be handled equally well by either sex, then I think maybe a google search on your part might start to help.MrOneLung said:
explain what coaching and tactics can be employed by men that cannot be used by female players.Vfrf said:
How do you qualify that statement when it's never been done?MrOneLung said:
@vfrf - why would a woman managing a group of male footballers be any different to a woman managing a group of male accountants, doctors, bank staff, bakers etcVfrf said:
Sure, if it is just a coach you're looking for. Managers tend to have more over-arching duties including handling personal issues, dressing somebody down when necessary, there are natural differences between the characters or women vs men. Maybe when this particular change happens in English football it will be a success, jury is still out for me on whether a woman in charge would be able to reign in 20+ young men all with bags of banter and attitude, having to retain that level of respect at the helm.ShootersHillGuru said:
Can’t see why. Coaching and good ideas for football are not the preserve of men. I don’t see a problem. We’re not asking her to go in goal are we.golfaddick said:Ok, I'll bite.
No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.
Ok, I've said it. So sue me.
There's every chance Emma would come in and be a success, but as we haven't seen a female manager in the mens English game yet, I for one would rather us not be the guinea pig of this particular social experiment considering how wide apart the women's game currently is from the mens.
There is absolutely no difference in managing a women's team to managing a men's team.
In all of those industries you've mentioned, there's often a relatively balanced mix of both sexes in the actual teams. As a female manager in mens football, you'll often be the only female in the room unless you bring your own background staff so to say there's absolutely no difference is a hell of an assumption. You can't get past the biology of there being differences in men and women, also for what it's worth, I never said she'd be unsuccessful - I just said I don't want us to be the first team to do it as it could backfire and I'm quite frankly fed up with gambling and saying 'next year we'll kick on'.
the biology is irrelevant to tactics, unless you want the striker to squeeze the defenders balls as the corner comes in.
If there isn't a difference it would beg the question why no female manager has transition into the mens game in the UK at any significant level.0 -
That's because the next Charlton manager will be a woman.FishCostaFortune said:Why has this thread turned into a conversation around women’s football? I really don’t want to, nor do I expect to have to, read about it when trying to read the latest conversation around who the next Charlton manager may or may not be.0 -
Reverse passMrOneLung said:
explain what coaching and tactics can be employed by men that cannot be used by female players.Vfrf said:
How do you qualify that statement when it's never been done?MrOneLung said:
@vfrf - why would a woman managing a group of male footballers be any different to a woman managing a group of male accountants, doctors, bank staff, bakers etcVfrf said:
Sure, if it is just a coach you're looking for. Managers tend to have more over-arching duties including handling personal issues, dressing somebody down when necessary, there are natural differences between the characters or women vs men. Maybe when this particular change happens in English football it will be a success, jury is still out for me on whether a woman in charge would be able to reign in 20+ young men all with bags of banter and attitude, having to retain that level of respect at the helm.ShootersHillGuru said:
Can’t see why. Coaching and good ideas for football are not the preserve of men. I don’t see a problem. We’re not asking her to go in goal are we.golfaddick said:Ok, I'll bite.
No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.
Ok, I've said it. So sue me.
There's every chance Emma would come in and be a success, but as we haven't seen a female manager in the mens English game yet, I for one would rather us not be the guinea pig of this particular social experiment considering how wide apart the women's game currently is from the mens.
There is absolutely no difference in managing a women's team to managing a men's team.
In all of those industries you've mentioned, there's often a relatively balanced mix of both sexes in the actual teams. As a female manager in mens football, you'll often be the only female in the room unless you bring your own background staff so to say there's absolutely no difference is a hell of an assumption. You can't get past the biology of there being differences in men and women, also for what it's worth, I never said she'd be unsuccessful - I just said I don't want us to be the first team to do it as it could backfire and I'm quite frankly fed up with gambling and saying 'next year we'll kick on'.
the biology is irrelevant to tactics, unless you want the striker to squeeze the defenders balls as the corner comes in.0 -
He might have had a favourite but still want to interview others.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:When Tommy binned Jacko, I kind of hoped that we had informally sounded out one or more of our preferred (list of) successors such that all that remained was negotiation of Ts &Cs and a swift appointment would be announced.
Would it be safe to assume now that that was not the case?
Would it then also be safe, do you think, to assume that Tommy views the Charlton Manager/Coach job/project as sufficiently attractive that he will be deluged with "A" list applicants from which he can cherry-pick the best?
I don't think I subscribe to that view.
I think the project will take years; I doubt the pay is that great and I think the recruitment model is flawed unless the manager/coach has primary input.
Just my ill-informed opinion of course.
What price Jason Euell in the role of caretaker manager when the season begins?
The time it’s taking could be due to the season not being over yet for some candidates.
I’m not convinced our set up will put that many managers off. There’s only so many vacancies and they’re either a hero if they succeed or likely get a pay off after being sacked, and in that scenario they can put the blame on TS and the structure he put in place.3 -
No just some chat about a Lady called EmmaRedvalleyeast said:90+ new posts,thought something had happened....silly me
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Done well this season, definite improvement, and ended up scoring more goals than those Lossiemouth bastards.soapboxsam said:seth plum said:
Shadab Iftikhar is the left field pick.soapboxsam said:seth plum said:4pm today was my prediction.
Have you a name to go with the time ?
Shad has international experience as well with coaching the Mongolian team who are really fit guys with plenty of horse power.1 - Sponsored links:
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Shad has international experience as well with coaching the Mongolian team who are really fit guys with plenty of horse power.Iftikhar is more qualified, coaching wise than Gareth Southgate when Gibson hired him as manager at Middlesbrough !Well done Seth for thinking outside the box but Shady doesn't make the shortlist as doesn't have the kudos even though being manager of Fort William in the Scottish Highlands League is not too shabby for the A licence coach.0
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It’s turned into a women’s football thread because Emma Hayes was mentioned as a legitimate candidate (she has actually been linked with the QPR job) but she was quickly dismissed in case she couldn’t keep out of the men’s showers according to some idiots on here. But let’s all get back to pretending Neil Lennon could be a serious candidate after his successful Bolton spell.FishCostaFortune said:Why has this thread turned into a conversation around women’s football? I really don’t want to, nor do I expect to have to, read about it when trying to read the latest conversation around who the next Charlton manager may or may not be.0 -
It was also said that the Chelsea womens job is 'bigger' than the mens Charlton job, which is mental.The Red Robin said:
It’s turned into a women’s football thread because Emma Hayes was mentioned as a legitimate candidate (she has actually been linked with the QPR job) but she was quickly dismissed in case she couldn’t keep out of the men’s showers according to some idiots on here. But let’s all get back to pretending Neil Lennon could be a serious candidate after his successful Bolton spell.FishCostaFortune said:Why has this thread turned into a conversation around women’s football? I really don’t want to, nor do I expect to have to, read about it when trying to read the latest conversation around who the next Charlton manager may or may not be.5 -
Weren't Bolton in administration when he was there?The Red Robin said:
It’s turned into a women’s football thread because Emma Hayes was mentioned as a legitimate candidate (she has actually been linked with the QPR job) but she was quickly dismissed in case she couldn’t keep out of the men’s showers according to some idiots on here. But let’s all get back to pretending Neil Lennon could be a serious candidate after his successful Bolton spell.FishCostaFortune said:Why has this thread turned into a conversation around women’s football? I really don’t want to, nor do I expect to have to, read about it when trying to read the latest conversation around who the next Charlton manager may or may not be.
Without looking at why all these managers succeed in one place and fail in another, or even if they do both in the same place its not actually a good metric to employ, or not, a manager is it?
Just looking at Wikipedia you could say that Powell was really good here then aweful, when we know that wasn't the case.
This forum can't even agree if Jackson was a good manager delt a bad hand or an OK manager who underplayed the cards he was delt and we are privy to every game he managed us for.0 -
Carrick was one I mentioned earlier.
Next up was going to Robbie Fowler. Rank outsider but at least the players would have a nice place to rent.
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I literally know nothing about whether Carrick or Fowler would be decent choices or just big names.0
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Cor woman cant manage men because of biological differences. JESUS christ what century are we in. Ive had female managers for the entirety of my 'career'. Some have managed me okay, some have managed me brilliantly one was a incompetent disaster. Nothing to do with a biological difference.
On a side note the only man who ever managed me for any period of time was a crystal palace supporting acholic bully.
Biological differences between men and women cor blimey wheres is the cave man mallet.4 -
Same here.ShootersHillGuru said:I literally know nothing about whether Carrick or Fowler would be decent choices or just big names.
But with their premier league connections maybe some decent loan signings could happen.0 -
Too busy arguing over Emma Hayes at the minute. Maybe try again tomorrow!Henry Irving said:
Carrick was one I mentioned earlier.
Next up was going to Robbie Fowler. Rank outsider but at least the players would have a nice place to rent.
Discuss
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Or woman.....Northstandpieeater said:Cor woman cant manage men because of biological differences. JESUS christ what century are we in. Ive had female managers for the entirety of my 'career'. Some have managed me okay, some have managed me brilliantly one was a incompetent disaster. Nothing to do with a biological difference.
On a side note the only man who ever managed me for any period of time was a crystal palace supporting acholic bully.
Biological differences between men and women cor blimey wheres is the cave man mallet.
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