Paisley and Fagen were both top flight players and Paisley won the league with Liverpool.
Both would have played more games but for the war.
So was Klopp.
None of them were great players. Neither were Van Gaal, Joachim Löw, or many many others.
Very very few people are great at both.
Funny enough Paisley sort of proves the point he is still only one of 5 people to win the english league as both a player and manager. Not much less than have done it in the world Cup.
It always amazes me the difference a Manager can make look at Eddie Howe and Newcastle they are a different team under him and it isnt like they have had the chance to spend mega bucks yet but they looked odds on for relegation this year. For me he wins Manager of the season. Forest is another example along with Spurs. All proof the worth of getting the Manager that suits the squad
Bearing in mind Curbs already works for the club on the tv channel and has seen most of our games last season. I do think TS would be mad not to have a chat with him about footballing matters at the club and get his views. Might be worth considering involving him if willing in the interview process. For I know that might already be happening or Curbs might prefer not to get involved with any of it.
Curbs thinks Gilbey is good. That should be enough for you all to realise that he has been out of the game for too long.
Gilbey isn’t a bad player. I’ve seen him run games when he wants to. Sadly, that’s the problem. Sometimes he turns up, sometimes he doesn’t, same with Lee.
Gilbey at home to Ipswich was excellent. Erratic performances after that but he still did the runs but there was no end products. The two yellow cards against Lincoln proved his brain is faulty.
It always amazes me the difference a Manager can make look at Eddie Howe and Newcastle they are a different team under him and it isnt like they have had the chance to spend mega bucks yet but they looked odds on for relegation this year. For me he wins Manager of the season. Forest is another example along with Spurs. All proof the worth of getting the Manager that suits the squad
They spent 90m on 4 players
But apart from that and the FFP breaches at Bournemouth he has worked wonders. Right?
He has been a manager for for ever and I still don't actually know how good he is.
His 1st Bournemouth spell and Burnley are probably the best measure.
Late to the discussion so might already had a mention Lennie Lawrence arguably Addicks best manager since Seed, did not play above non league before being appointed
It always amazes me the difference a Manager can make look at Eddie Howe and Newcastle they are a different team under him and it isnt like they have had the chance to spend mega bucks yet but they looked odds on for relegation this year. For me he wins Manager of the season. Forest is another example along with Spurs. All proof the worth of getting the Manager that suits the squad
A manager who suits the squad is one that looks at what he has and builds a team around that.
Late to the discussion so might already had a mention Lennie Lawrence arguably Addicks best manager since Seed, did not play above non league before being appointed
wouldnt mind him back as dof with curbs manager and bowyer assistant
Late to the discussion so might already had a mention Lennie Lawrence arguably Addicks best manager since Seed, did not play above non league before being appointed
Neither did Woy, Sven wasn't up for the ballon d'or either.
Late to the discussion so might already had a mention Lennie Lawrence arguably Addicks best manager since Seed, did not play above non league before being appointed
wouldnt mind him back as dof with curbs manager and bowyer assistant
Late to the discussion so might already had a mention Lennie Lawrence arguably Addicks best manager since Seed, did not play above non league before being appointed
wouldnt mind him back as dof with curbs manager and bowyer assistant
and JJ as coach
Where would chris Powel fit into this?
He could play left back - a much better option that what we currently have.
It always amazes me the difference a Manager can make look at Eddie Howe and Newcastle they are a different team under him and it isnt like they have had the chance to spend mega bucks yet but they looked odds on for relegation this year. For me he wins Manager of the season. Forest is another example along with Spurs. All proof the worth of getting the Manager that suits the squad
No way should Howe get manager of the year.
he spent a lot of money and all he had to do was tell them to stop playing shit. They had a number of decent players underperforming because of the shit manager
steve Bruce is about as good as Iain dowie these days and he zapped any momentum they had. He’s an atmosphere hoover of a man
Can anyone with more knowledge give me some information on why Matt Taylor is so sort after (apart from the obvious has achieved promotion).
I’ve watched a couple of interviews with him and like the way he articulates himself, but will be interested to know what sort of football Exeter play, what sort of budget he was working towards, how good their youth system is etc.
See below in bold the answer to some of those points:
I know that this isn't the first time I've mentioned him and I'm going to sound like a warped record but I am scratching my head as to why Matt Taylor isn't being talked up or included in the betting for our next Manager. So, what is wrong with the credentials of someone that
(1) is not just leading his team to promotion but on the verge of being Champions too
(2) is managing a team that has picked up 50 out of the last 66 points available
(3) is in charge of a side that has only conceded 6 goals in their last 12 matches when the pressure for promotion is at its greatest
(4) has been in the same job for four seasons with a win record of 45% and a loss record of just 25% from 212 games in charge
(5) was a major part of CP's League 1 Champions team in playing in 41 of the 46 games that season
(6) is so open to different footballing ideas so much so that, at the very late age of 23, he switched from being a keeper to a centre back. Who has ever done that successfully?
(7) played for his current club as he did for us so has proven credentials for being able to play, coach and manage at the same club
(8) played with a major figure in our backroom staff namely Jason Euell
(9) is known for bringing through young players - six of the 14 players used in their last game are 23 or younger and only two are older than 27
(10) Success despite having to sell the attacking influences of Jayden Stockley, Randell Williams, Ryan Bowman and Joey Randall but identified suitable replacements
(11) Will know how to bring the very best out of Stockley who he managed at Exeter and unless we sell him that will be a major key to our success
(12) on his release as a player, our very own fans said of him on CL: "Never once moaned about losing his place and was always available when called upon. Great pro, good luck to him" "Had the pleasure of a round of golf with him and he was genuinely a great bloke" "Was on Matt's table at the sponsors do in the promotion season. Lovely fella" "Yep good luck to Matt always gave 100% and nice bloke gave my son a signed shirt when he left" "Matt is a good friend of a contact of mine in Manchester. When he heard I was a Charlton fan he went to the trouble of getting me a signed Charlton shirt of all the players in our Division 1 title winning side. That is now framed and has pride of place on my hall wall. Genuine bloke" "If only all players had the attitude, character and commitment that Matt Taylor showed"
(13) the fans of his current club rank him (in his first job as a manager) as one of their best ever Managers as per these comments from half a dozen contributors to their forum: "In four seasons MT has rebuilt a couple of attacking teams now, quite frankly i actually believe last season in periods-that was probably the most formidable attacking team (Randall,Randall,Jay,Bowman) i've ever seen at SJP. Its been a long ten years in League 2 and Matty had gone close, but for me you have to praise him because people were quite rightly questioning if it was ever going to happen, we had just received the Watkins and Randall Money and Fans expectations changed drastically and he got his Marquee signings in and has now fantastically completed the job. For me Taylor is on course to be our Best Manager ever, He's also my favourite manager ever in that he is very humble and will take accountability and i'm sure if things do wrong and he wasn't the man to take the club forward, he would be the first person to say so." "I think if we win the title then it elevates Taylor above Tisdale as it will be one each on net promotions but winning the Championship pips it. Its a close call but then taking into account both of their personalities Taylor wins as Tisdale was a c0ck and Taylor isn't." "Tactically, MT has the edge on the other managers of the promotion sides I have seen." "What really excites though, is looking forward. This season MT has really produced the goods, and for the most part through very entertaining football (which is why I think the crowds this season have been so impressive).He’s had a cash advantage, but still less to play with than a few of the others in the division. I think if he can keep the better players and add a couple the next couple of seasons could put him top for me" "Matt Taylor is the GOAT"
If we want someone who will, potentially, build for the future as opposed to a short term fix then why not go for a Manager with a proven record for doing so and who carries no baggage with him. There are clues from what our supporters who know him said when he left us and what Exeter fans are saying now so far as his personality is concerned. But we also know that he likes his sides to play entertaining football, that he is tactically sound and knows who and what type of player to bring in. In fact, he sounds very much like Eddie Howe and his playing background is similar too - I don't think Howe ever played above League 1.
And for those that still have doubts about his ability to produce the magical, from five years ago when he was the Exeter defensive coach, please watch this!
Yeh but apart from that, whats so great about Matt Taylor?
Late to the discussion so might already had a mention Lennie Lawrence arguably Addicks best manager since Seed, did not play above non league before being appointed
wouldnt mind him back as dof with curbs manager and bowyer assistant
It always amazes me the difference a Manager can make look at Eddie Howe and Newcastle they are a different team under him and it isnt like they have had the chance to spend mega bucks yet but they looked odds on for relegation this year. For me he wins Manager of the season. Forest is another example along with Spurs. All proof the worth of getting the Manager that suits the squad
They spent 90m on 4 players
But apart from that and the FFP breaches at Bournemouth he has worked wonders. Right?
He has been a manager for for ever and I still don't actually know how good he is.
His 1st Bournemouth spell and Burnley are probably the best measure.
Wasn't a great player either
Of the current bottom 5 in the table newcastle spent 90m and the next biggest spender was everton at 40m. Howe did Newcastle manage to escape relegation i wonder?!?!
Late to the discussion so might already had a mention Lennie Lawrence arguably Addicks best manager since Seed, did not play above non league before being appointed
wouldnt mind him back as dof with curbs manager and bowyer assistant
and JJ as coach
Yup and let's give Killer & Micky Flanagan a call to see if they fancy another season 😂😂
Late to the discussion so might already had a mention Lennie Lawrence arguably Addicks best manager since Seed, did not play above non league before being appointed
wouldnt mind him back as dof with curbs manager and bowyer assistant
and JJ as coach
Yup and let's give Killer & Micky Flanagan a call to see if they fancy another season 😂😂
Late to the discussion so might already had a mention Lennie Lawrence arguably Addicks best manager since Seed, did not play above non league before being appointed
wouldnt mind him back as dof with curbs manager and bowyer assistant
and JJ as coach
Yup and let's give Killer & Micky Flanagan a call to see if they fancy another season 😂😂
With paddy Powell waltzing down the wing I hope👍
I'm pretty sure Richie Bowman would be up for it as well
It always amazes me the difference a Manager can make look at Eddie Howe and Newcastle they are a different team under him and it isnt like they have had the chance to spend mega bucks yet but they looked odds on for relegation this year. For me he wins Manager of the season. Forest is another example along with Spurs. All proof the worth of getting the Manager that suits the squad
No way should Howe get manager of the year.
he spent a lot of money and all he had to do was tell them to stop playing shit. They had a number of decent players underperforming because of the shit manager
steve Bruce is about as good as Iain dowie these days and he zapped any momentum they had. He’s an atmosphere hoover of a man
The clock is ticking, the team is sparse, it’s pretty clear that there wasn’t a plan in place two weeks ago and the well intentioned father / son team are giving every indication that they will be involved in recruitment and tactics.
It’s getting more difficult to remain positive and I wonder how many lessons have actually been learned.
The clock is ticking, the team is sparse, it’s pretty clear that there wasn’t a plan in place two weeks ago and the well intentioned father / son team are giving every indication that they will be involved in recruitment and tactics.
It’s getting more difficult to remain positive and I wonder how many lessons have actually been learned.
This is where I am but am prepared and hope to be wrong.
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None of them were great players. Neither were Van Gaal, Joachim Löw, or many many others.
Very very few people are great at both.
Funny enough Paisley sort of proves the point he is still only one of 5 people to win the english league as both a player and manager. Not much less than have done it in the world Cup.
He has been a manager for for ever and I still don't actually know how good he is.
His 1st Bournemouth spell and Burnley are probably the best measure.
Wasn't a great player either
Lennie Lawrence arguably Addicks best manager since Seed, did not play above non league before being appointed
and JJ as coach
he spent a lot of money and all he had to do was tell them to stop playing shit. They had a number of decent players underperforming because of the shit manager
steve Bruce is about as good as Iain dowie these days and he zapped any momentum they had. He’s an atmosphere hoover of a man
Winner, at ease with Royalty
Wages £41m - lowest in the Premier League.
It’s getting more difficult to remain positive and I wonder how many lessons have actually been learned.
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