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  • RoanRedNY
    RoanRedNY Posts: 1,147
    cafcfan1990 said:
    I think John Arne Riise might be in with a shout. Fellow Scandinavian and we know TS loves to put people with a powerful shot into positions of power.  
    Sir Patrick Moore or Brian Cox also in with a shout, they know 10x more than your average sky viewer
  • Bostonaddick
    Bostonaddick Posts: 813
    Cafc43v3r said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    I'd employ my son if I was TS. He needs somebody he can trust in there I suspect. I think it is crazy us focusing on MS as anything more than that. 
    I totally agree, in principle. 

    We have people come on here, and other places, and say he isn't in charge of anything other than using some software.  They maybe right.

    However my biggest gripe over the last year has been the recruitment.  Everything else is either a distraction or because the recruitment is shit. 

    Why in God's name is Thomas pedling the narrative that Martin is in charge of recruitment.  He even says he is out scouting players because you can't trust the data alone.

    Martin is either in charge of recruitment and Thomas is an idiot.  Or Martin isn't and Thomas is an idiot for making us believe he is.  Either way it's not a good look. 

    Does it undo the good things he has done, probably not but it's totally avoidable either way. 
    You are forgetting the third option.  That TS said something that some of our idiotic fans interpreted to mean that his son was in charge of recruiting even though that’s not what he said or meant. The same idiotic fans then spun that narrative so they could be angry on social media because being angry with righteous indignation is more important to them than actually supporting the club.  Then the rest of the fans saw these angry fan posts and assumed it was the truth when it was just a game of telephone with information two times removed from the source.
  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,231
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Why in God's name is Thomas pedling the narrative that Martin is in charge of recruitment.  He even says he is out scouting players because you can't trust the data alone.

    Martin is either in charge of recruitment and Thomas is an idiot.  Or Martin isn't and Thomas is an idiot for making us believe he is.  Either way it's not a good look. 

    Does it undo the good things he has done, probably not but it's totally avoidable either way. 
    His son was appointed Director of Analysis in December. He is not in charge of recruitment.


  • grumpyaddick
    grumpyaddick Posts: 6,596
    Oh, yes he is...

    (feel free to join in the pantomime)
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,650
    addick1956 said:
    When are we going to appoint someone?
    15th of June.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Bostonaddick said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    I'd employ my son if I was TS. He needs somebody he can trust in there I suspect. I think it is crazy us focusing on MS as anything more than that. 
    I totally agree, in principle. 

    We have people come on here, and other places, and say he isn't in charge of anything other than using some software.  They maybe right.

    However my biggest gripe over the last year has been the recruitment.  Everything else is either a distraction or because the recruitment is shit. 

    Why in God's name is Thomas pedling the narrative that Martin is in charge of recruitment.  He even says he is out scouting players because you can't trust the data alone.

    Martin is either in charge of recruitment and Thomas is an idiot.  Or Martin isn't and Thomas is an idiot for making us believe he is.  Either way it's not a good look. 

    Does it undo the good things he has done, probably not but it's totally avoidable either way. 
    You are forgetting the third option.  That TS said something that some of our idiotic fans interpreted to mean that his son was in charge of recruiting even though that’s not what he said or meant. The same idiotic fans then spun that narrative so they could be angry on social media because being angry with righteous indignation is more important to them than actually supporting the club.  Then the rest of the fans saw these angry fan posts and assumed it was the truth when it was just a game of telephone with information two times removed from the source.
    https://www.castrust.org/2022/03/fans-forum-minutes-and-sandgaard-interview/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=fans-forum-minutes-and-sandgaard-interview

    " He said Steve Gallen,
    Martin Sandgaard and Johnnie Jackson go out scouting a lot, driving around the
    country. TS said sometimes agents send him a player suggestion and once in a
    while, that player may be of interest and that Steve Gallen and Martin Sandgaardwill get out on the road and scout the player. He said you have to see it yourself;
    he said you can’t just rely on statistics and that videos can be deceiving too.
    TS said as part of the club’s recruitment analysis, there is a team that reports to
    Martin Sandgaard, who are out there scouting all the time too"

    There is also the interview, that I cant find at the moment where Thomas specifically credited Martin with finding Fraser.  Despite previously saying he was a summer target before martin was involved.  There are dozens of quotes available for you to find online.

    I don't think it's the fans that are being idiotic here.  If Martin is not in charge of recruitment, why does Thomas keep saying he is.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    If we don't hurry up and appoint Matt Taylor soon I might be forced to publish my 10,000 word thesis on why we should break the bank to persuade Nigel Clough to move down south!
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited May 2022
    Crusty54 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Why in God's name is Thomas pedling the narrative that Martin is in charge of recruitment.  He even says he is out scouting players because you can't trust the data alone.

    Martin is either in charge of recruitment and Thomas is an idiot.  Or Martin isn't and Thomas is an idiot for making us believe he is.  Either way it's not a good look. 

    Does it undo the good things he has done, probably not but it's totally avoidable either way. 
    His son was appointed Director of Analysis in December. He is not in charge of recruitment.


    I know that is his job title but why does Thomas keep saying he is, if he isn't?  It's a simple question.

    Richard Cawley
    Replying to @WestLondonAddi1 @Maccn5 and 2 others
    It's pretty clear who is lining up players. Martin Sandgaard is heading up analysis side and Steve Gallen negotiates the deals. This has been mentioned before. Obviously Thomas, as the owner, has big input as well
  • Bostonaddick
    Bostonaddick Posts: 813
    He said Martin is charge of recruitment analysis.  That is only one part of the recruitment function.  Scouting, analysis, decision making on which recruits to negotiate with and the ultimate negotiation are all separate functions in recruitment.  All of these fall under Gallens and ultimately TS perview  Martin is responsible for one aspect but reports to Gallen.  I have no clue if he is qualified for that sub role but the ultimate decision of recruiting and signing players lie with Gallen and TS
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,219
    Bostonaddick said:
    He said Martin is charge of recruitment analysis.  That is only one part of the recruitment function.  Scouting, analysis, decision making on which recruits to negotiate with and the ultimate negotiation are all separate functions in recruitment.  All of these fall under Gallens and ultimately TS perview  Martin is responsible for one aspect but reports to Gallen.  I have no clue if he is qualified for that sub role but the ultimate decision of recruiting and signing players lie with Gallen and TS
    That seems logical but that's not the way it has been explained by TS and that set up as described, crucially, doesn't include the manager either when JJ was here or now
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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Bostonaddick said:
    He said Martin is charge of recruitment analysis.  That is only one part of the recruitment function.  Scouting, analysis, decision making on which recruits to negotiate with and the ultimate negotiation are all separate functions in recruitment.  All of these fall under Gallens and ultimately TS perview  Martin is responsible for one aspect but reports to Gallen.  I have no clue if he is qualified for that sub role but the ultimate decision of recruiting and signing players lie with Gallen and TS
    He does not report to Gallen.  Him and Gallen both report directly to Thomas.  Gallen negotiates.  Thomas as said this, on the record multiple times.... 

    "Martin will work alongside, and learn from, Steve Gallen and they’ll both report directly in to me.”. https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/61c596681c4de/update-on-roles-of-steve-gallen-and-martin-sandgaard

    He also says Martin goes out scouting.  It does not all full under Gallen, according the narrative spun buy the owner.  He should know. 

    It either does fall under Gallen and Thomas is lying, or it doesn't. 
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    Henry Irving said:
    Bostonaddick said:
    He said Martin is charge of recruitment analysis.  That is only one part of the recruitment function.  Scouting, analysis, decision making on which recruits to negotiate with and the ultimate negotiation are all separate functions in recruitment.  All of these fall under Gallens and ultimately TS perview  Martin is responsible for one aspect but reports to Gallen.  I have no clue if he is qualified for that sub role but the ultimate decision of recruiting and signing players lie with Gallen and TS
    That seems logical but that's not the way it has been explained by TS and that set up as described, crucially, doesn't include the manager either when JJ was here or now
    And yet Adkins had to be convinced to sign Dobson. Sounds to me as it is a team effort identifying targets, but I suspect that it is TS that has to be convinced to pay the money. 

    Obviously that will be easier if there is broad agreement.

    It would be nice if we could give them a modicum of time and see how the new recruitment team do in their first summer.
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    Redrobo said:
    Henry Irving said:
    Bostonaddick said:
    He said Martin is charge of recruitment analysis.  That is only one part of the recruitment function.  Scouting, analysis, decision making on which recruits to negotiate with and the ultimate negotiation are all separate functions in recruitment.  All of these fall under Gallens and ultimately TS perview  Martin is responsible for one aspect but reports to Gallen.  I have no clue if he is qualified for that sub role but the ultimate decision of recruiting and signing players lie with Gallen and TS
    That seems logical but that's not the way it has been explained by TS and that set up as described, crucially, doesn't include the manager either when JJ was here or now
    And yet Adkins had to be convinced to sign Dobson. Sounds to me as it is a team effort identifying targets, but I suspect that it is TS that has to be convinced to pay the money. 

    Obviously that will be easier if there is broad agreement.

    It would be nice if we could give them a modicum of time and see how the new recruitment team do in their first summer.
    Do we have any choice? It really doesn’t 
    matter what people post on message boards In the meantime.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    Airman Brown said:
    Redrobo said:
    Henry Irving said:
    Bostonaddick said:
    He said Martin is charge of recruitment analysis.  That is only one part of the recruitment function.  Scouting, analysis, decision making on which recruits to negotiate with and the ultimate negotiation are all separate functions in recruitment.  All of these fall under Gallens and ultimately TS perview  Martin is responsible for one aspect but reports to Gallen.  I have no clue if he is qualified for that sub role but the ultimate decision of recruiting and signing players lie with Gallen and TS
    That seems logical but that's not the way it has been explained by TS and that set up as described, crucially, doesn't include the manager either when JJ was here or now
    And yet Adkins had to be convinced to sign Dobson. Sounds to me as it is a team effort identifying targets, but I suspect that it is TS that has to be convinced to pay the money. 

    Obviously that will be easier if there is broad agreement.

    It would be nice if we could give them a modicum of time and see how the new recruitment team do in their first summer.
    Do we have any choice? It really doesn’t 
    matter what people post on message boards In the meantime.
    We do have a choice not to spend the whole summer moaning over and over again, and saying exactly the same thing again and again and on every thread.
    You are right, it really doesn’t matter, just boring.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,623
    edited May 2022
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    When do the players report back for training?
    I'm not 100% certain but think Chuks said 16th June at the POTY dinner.
    I heard that another League 1 club (Bolton ?) were returning on the 16th. 
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    GenevaCharlton said:
    seth plum said:
    I am not sure what Martin Sandgaard does, or any detail at all as to why he is disparaged, although I am sure people will reasonably say others could do whatever MS is supposed to do much better, but beyond that what damage to good stuff balance is there?
    I certainly don’t know.
    However what does make sense to me is Thomas Sandgaard having somebody in location he can trust, and to be honest I don’t blame him.

    Appreciate your thoughts Seth but its not about trust it’s nepotism and it’s bonkers. Yes he can do what he likes it’s his money but it’s pure wrong for our football club.
    None of us really know though. I suspect it’s just a good fit for TS to have his son here, to keep an eye on things as Seth said. I doubt very much that Martin is throwing his weight around overruling people who have much more experience than he does, even if TS is bigging him up, saying he runs the show. Fwiw, the body language between him and Gallen seemed ok after the U18s match at the weekend. If Martin *is* being is nightmare then I’m sure we’ll hear about it one way or another. 
  • GenevaCharlton
    GenevaCharlton Posts: 163
    seth plum said:
    .GenevaCharlton said:
    seth plum said:
    I am not sure what Martin Sandgaard does, or any detail at all as to why he is disparaged, although I am sure people will reasonably say others could do whatever MS is supposed to do much better, but beyond that what damage to good stuff balance is there?
    I certainly don’t know.
    However what does make sense to me is Thomas Sandgaard having somebody in location he can trust, and to be honest I don’t blame him.

    Appreciate your thoughts Seth but its not about trust it’s nepotism and it’s bonkers. Yes he can do what he likes it’s his money but it’s pure wrong for our football club.
    Yes it is clearly nepotism.
    Whether looking at the bigger picture it is wrong is more complicated.
    Maybe TS is worried about who he can trust.
    Wasn’t there some post recently about staff members acting differently when TS is around compared to when he is in Colorado?
    I’m not aware of that but if it’s true then he has big problems. To me that would suggest that he is not engaging the staff due several scenarios. Lack of clarity on the message. His behaviour being inconsistent vs the message. Or they don’t believe in the message. Pure speculation but bringing in your inexperienced son does not feel as though that’s going to change things for the better. 

    Look at Arsenal and the Kroenkes Stan brings in son Josh but the Arsenal fans from what I can gather can’t stand them. I say that in that Arsenal have the 5th biggest wage budget and will finish in that position. Maybe I’m talking myself around the son is a red herring. If he spends like a drunken sailor and we have the biggest budget in L1 eventually we will be promoted regardless of who is in charge.
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,824
    JamesSeed said:
    GenevaCharlton said:
    seth plum said:
    I am not sure what Martin Sandgaard does, or any detail at all as to why he is disparaged, although I am sure people will reasonably say others could do whatever MS is supposed to do much better, but beyond that what damage to good stuff balance is there?
    I certainly don’t know.
    However what does make sense to me is Thomas Sandgaard having somebody in location he can trust, and to be honest I don’t blame him.

    Appreciate your thoughts Seth but its not about trust it’s nepotism and it’s bonkers. Yes he can do what he likes it’s his money but it’s pure wrong for our football club.
    None of us really know though. I suspect it’s just a good fit for TS to have his son here, to keep an eye on things as Seth said. I doubt very much that Martin is throwing his weight around overruling people who have much more experience than he does, even if TS is bigging him up, saying he runs the show. Fwiw, the body language between him and Gallen seemed ok after the U18s match at the weekend. If Martin *is* being is nightmare then I’m sure we’ll hear about it one way or another. 
    There are two camps here - blind faith in Sandgaard or enormous sceptics.  One is based on evidence, one is based on hope.  
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,496
    Crusty54 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Why in God's name is Thomas pedling the narrative that Martin is in charge of recruitment.  He even says he is out scouting players because you can't trust the data alone.

    Martin is either in charge of recruitment and Thomas is an idiot.  Or Martin isn't and Thomas is an idiot for making us believe he is.  Either way it's not a good look. 

    Does it undo the good things he has done, probably not but it's totally avoidable either way. 
    His son was appointed Director of Analysis in December. He is not in charge of recruitment.


    Not got the badges or qualification to be a manager or coach .. he is just part of SG team 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    RonnieMoore said:
    Crusty54 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Why in God's name is Thomas pedling the narrative that Martin is in charge of recruitment.  He even says he is out scouting players because you can't trust the data alone.

    Martin is either in charge of recruitment and Thomas is an idiot.  Or Martin isn't and Thomas is an idiot for making us believe he is.  Either way it's not a good look. 

    Does it undo the good things he has done, probably not but it's totally avoidable either way. 
    His son was appointed Director of Analysis in December. He is not in charge of recruitment.


    Not got the badges or qualification to be a manager or coach .. he is just part of SG team 
    That’s got to be a wind up because there’s a quote from TS on the official site saying MS and SG both report directly into him just a few posts up.

    "Martin will work alongside, and learn from, Steve Gallen and they’ll both report directly in to me.”. https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/61c596681c4de/update-on-roles-of-steve-gallen-and-martin-sandgaard
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  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    edited May 2022
    So TS has said two different things about his son’s role and confused things. Shock. Let’s move on. 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    The Red Robin said:
    So TS has said two different things about his son’s role and confused things. Shock. Let’s move on. 
    What was the other thing he said?
  • Fumbluff
    Fumbluff Posts: 10,125
    He has the most powerful shot in football
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,219
    Fumbluff said:
    He has the most powerful shot in football
    Hot Shot Hamish 
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,476
    If we get much beyond the end of this week we will once again appear unable to recruit our targets, this time a manager.  As an optimistic person it is rare for me to feel that I think we are close to throwing away another season if we don't have a manager in place this time next week. We currently need a lot of players in and have no manager/head coach.

    Yes I know I am repeating the obvious, unless you are a certain poster, but sorry that was cathartic.
  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,513
    Scoham said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    Crusty54 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Why in God's name is Thomas pedling the narrative that Martin is in charge of recruitment.  He even says he is out scouting players because you can't trust the data alone.

    Martin is either in charge of recruitment and Thomas is an idiot.  Or Martin isn't and Thomas is an idiot for making us believe he is.  Either way it's not a good look. 

    Does it undo the good things he has done, probably not but it's totally avoidable either way. 
    His son was appointed Director of Analysis in December. He is not in charge of recruitment.


    Not got the badges or qualification to be a manager or coach .. he is just part of SG team 
    That’s got to be a wind up because there’s a quote from TS on the official site saying MS and SG both report directly into him just a few posts up.

    "Martin will work alongside, and learn from, Steve Gallen and they’ll both report directly in to me.”. https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/61c596681c4de/update-on-roles-of-steve-gallen-and-martin-sandgaard


    At this point, people are just purposely ignoring what's been said and it's all just got a bit tiring and dull now.
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,219
    edited May 2022
    ExeterDave said:


    The big issue seems to be your owner's interference, which I think might be the thing that really gives Taylor pause. At Exeter he has pretty much complete control over everything. Unlike in the past we don't have an experienced director of football behind the scenes. I don't know if he'd be willing to work with an owner who is telling him how to play and who to sign.

    Thanks Dave. Interesting last paragraph when an outsider is looking at our club at present. Gives you food for thought 
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    Thanks Dave. 
    My money’s on him not joining us, for what it’s worth (very little). Would be happy enough if he did though. 
    One thing’s for sure, I’ll be happier if we announce someone by the weekend so we can get on with ‘rebuilding’ (again).

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