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That's how some of the more thicker-accented say it. I say Exe-eter, but then I don't have a Devonshire accent, I'm Queen's English.seth plum said:@ExeterDave the great Fred Binney played for both of our clubs.
The best person I ever employed and worked alongside arrived with a first from Exeter University.
I like the ground development seen on the telly since my last visit to the proper St James’ Park, what is the away capacity?
My understanding is that true Devonians pronounce it ‘Egg-zet-ur’, unlike our terrible Grockle mispronounciation.
Looking forward to us playing each other next season, and whatever the management situation I hope you do well.0 -
There no interference from our owner which he clearly stated a number of times now ..ExeterDave said:Heyo, Exeter fan here popping along to share some thoughts on Matt Taylor as there seems to be a lot of talk about him going to you. No idea if any of it is genuine or not and obviously hope he doesn't go, but that's the nature of football.He's clearly done some great stuff with a midtable budget this season. It's taken some time to get there though, you might need a little patience to get to where you want to be. Doesn't sound like your owners are in for that. We've had some dire results over the last 4 years and there was a vocal minority calling for him to be gone, particularly the end of last season.As far as tactics go, we've done really well with 5-3-2, which I read is what you've been playing and it not being an ideal fit. I wouldn't worry too much about that, we were forced into it by having a bunch of players best suited to wingback and no fullbacks or wingers.Developing academy players is something we're known for and I've seen people on here are keen on it. Obviously a lot of this is down to the academy itself, which was churning out gems before Taylor and will continue to do so after he's gone (hopefully!). He deserves credit for bringing them into the first team, but again that's been a longterm project requiring patience as they are gradually introduced. This close season he's been unusually ruthless culling them, with some real surprise releases. I guess that's either a good or bad thing depending on your point of view.The big issue seems to be your owner's interference, which I think might be the thing that really gives Taylor pause. At Exeter he has pretty much complete control over everything. Unlike in the past we don't have an experienced director of football behind the scenes. I don't know if he'd be willing to work with an owner who is telling him how to play and who to sign.5 -
Yeah, but is it jam or cream first on the scones?ExeterDave said:
That's how some of the more thicker-accented say it. I say Exe-eter, but then I don't have a Devonshire accent, I'm Queen's English.seth plum said:@ExeterDave the great Fred Binney played for both of our clubs.
The best person I ever employed and worked alongside arrived with a first from Exeter University.
I like the ground development seen on the telly since my last visit to the proper St James’ Park, what is the away capacity?
My understanding is that true Devonians pronounce it ‘Egg-zet-ur’, unlike our terrible Grockle mispronounciation.
Looking forward to us playing each other next season, and whatever the management situation I hope you do well.1 -
You mean the sconesseth plum said:
Yeah, but is it jam or cream first on the scones?ExeterDave said:
That's how some of the more thicker-accented say it. I say Exe-eter, but then I don't have a Devonshire accent, I'm Queen's English.seth plum said:@ExeterDave the great Fred Binney played for both of our clubs.
The best person I ever employed and worked alongside arrived with a first from Exeter University.
I like the ground development seen on the telly since my last visit to the proper St James’ Park, what is the away capacity?
My understanding is that true Devonians pronounce it ‘Egg-zet-ur’, unlike our terrible Grockle mispronounciation.
Looking forward to us playing each other next season, and whatever the management situation I hope you do well.4 -
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Could argue that because they’ve changed it (Roddy out) and had time to develop the analytics side the new setup hasn’t had a full summer window yet, which is why I think TS will want to see what it can do rather than change it.The Red Robin said:
Agree and in my opinion, that’s still a huge problem. You’d think they’d compromise on the recruitment strategy a bit as it clearly hasn’t worked.Scoham said:
Got to find someone willing to work under the structure you’ve put in place, or change it.The Red Robin said:
That parts obvious. What about input into transfers?Scoham said:
You wouldn’t, you’d hire a manager who has a similar footballing philosophy to you. If I owned the club I’d never hire a manager who only plays a long ball game for example.The Red Robin said:
Which is still a problem. Any manager or coach you recruit has been successful because they’ve chosen to play a certain way, with certain types of player etc. Why would you then force them to change that and expect it be successful?cfgs said:
Our owner doesn't want to pick the side, he just wants to tell the manager to play a certain style and recruit for him. All well and good to play attacking football if you are good enough.ExeterDave said:Heyo, Exeter fan here popping along to share some thoughts on Matt Taylor as there seems to be a lot of talk about him going to you. No idea if any of it is genuine or not and obviously hope he doesn't go, but that's the nature of football.He's clearly done some great stuff with a midtable budget this season. It's taken some time to get there though, you might need a little patience to get to where you want to be. Doesn't sound like your owners are in for that. We've had some dire results over the last 4 years and there was a vocal minority calling for him to be gone, particularly the end of last season.As far as tactics go, we've done really well with 5-3-2, which I read is what you've been playing and it not being an ideal fit. I wouldn't worry too much about that, we were forced into it by having a bunch of players best suited to wingback and no fullbacks or wingers.Developing academy players is something we're known for and I've seen people on here are keen on it. Obviously a lot of this is down to the academy itself, which was churning out gems before Taylor and will continue to do so after he's gone (hopefully!). He deserves credit for bringing them into the first team, but again that's been a longterm project requiring patience as they are gradually introduced. This close season he's been unusually ruthless culling them, with some real surprise releases. I guess that's either a good or bad thing depending on your point of view.The big issue seems to be your owner's interference, which I think might be the thing that really gives Taylor pause. At Exeter he has pretty much complete control over everything. Unlike in the past we don't have an experienced director of football behind the scenes. I don't know if he'd be willing to work with an owner who is telling him how to play and who to sign.
The main drawback with our owner is the fact he is on Twitter, the idiots get in his ear and then he finally reacts.
Wonder if that’s a reason we haven’t hired anyone yet?
It’s not a unique structure to us and can work but MS is completely unproven, it’s not as if he’s worked his way up from being an analyst in the academy or joined after being successful elsewhere.I can see a head coach coming in as I don’t expect TS to change the structure at this point in time.0 -
Flagellation. Great word.randy andy said:My god this place is both tedious and depressing at time.
Literally nobody knows what terms have been offered to any prospective manager (if any have), what restraints will be placed on that manager, what structure they'll work within.
Yet the hand wringing and incessant bleating is endless, "nobody will come in under this system", "why haven't we got anybody in yet", and on and on and on.
The season hasn't even finished yet! Only 2 clubs have appointed new managers so far, and I think we're all in agreement that one of those may have been a bit hasty. I'd far rather the club takes it's time finding the right appointment, and that the negotiations to get the right deal and system in place take whatever time is needed.
It's like you're all desperate for the worst possible outcome just so you can justify your self flagellation.1 -
I’m not saying it’s inaccurate that Taylor will “inevitably “ have spoken to Jackson but I’m not convinced these statements are always true. I’m sure if MT really wanted to get hold of Jackson’s number he could but how much credence would you place on asking the person who’s just been sacked from the job you are considering ? I’m not saying JJ would have an axe to grind but it’s possible. It might be different if they were dear old chums but I doubt the two have spoken to each other for years. Always seems odd to me that these clichéd assumptions about asking advice on the job you want are rolled out every time.4
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Well they played together for 2 seasons. If you was going for a job and you knew someone who used to work there would you not ask them?ShootersHillGuru said:I’m not saying it’s inaccurate that Taylor will “inevitably “ have spoken to Jackson but I’m not convinced these statements are always true. I’m sure if MT really wanted to get hold of Jackson’s number he could but how much credence would you place on asking the person who’s just been sacked from the job you are considering ? I’m not saying JJ would have an axe to grind but it’s possible. It might be different if they were dear old chums but I doubt the two have spoken to each other for years. Always seems odd to me that these clichéd assumptions about asking advice on the job you want are rolled out every time.
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No. I’ve worked with hundreds of people for a lot longer that 2 years and never spoken to them since.shirty5 said:
Well they played together for 2 seasons. If you was going for a job and you knew someone who used to work there would you not ask them?ShootersHillGuru said:I’m not saying it’s inaccurate that Taylor will “inevitably “ have spoken to Jackson but I’m not convinced these statements are always true. I’m sure if MT really wanted to get hold of Jackson’s number he could but how much credence would you place on asking the person who’s just been sacked from the job you are considering ? I’m not saying JJ would have an axe to grind but it’s possible. It might be different if they were dear old chums but I doubt the two have spoken to each other for years. Always seems odd to me that these clichéd assumptions about asking advice on the job you want are rolled out every time.0 -
I would. Each to their ownShootersHillGuru said:
Noshirty5 said:
Well they played together for 2 seasons. If you was going for a job and you knew someone who used to work there would you not ask them?ShootersHillGuru said:I’m not saying it’s inaccurate that Taylor will “inevitably “ have spoken to Jackson but I’m not convinced these statements are always true. I’m sure if MT really wanted to get hold of Jackson’s number he could but how much credence would you place on asking the person who’s just been sacked from the job you are considering ? I’m not saying JJ would have an axe to grind but it’s possible. It might be different if they were dear old chums but I doubt the two have spoken to each other for years. Always seems odd to me that these clichéd assumptions about asking advice on the job you want are rolled out every time.3 -
They were teammates. Would you not ask a mate/ former colleague what the boss was like if you were taking up the role?ShootersHillGuru said:I’m not saying it’s inaccurate that Taylor will “inevitably “ have spoken to Jackson but I’m not convinced these statements are always true. I’m sure if MT really wanted to get hold of Jackson’s number he could but how much credence would you place on asking the person who’s just been sacked from the job you are considering ? I’m not saying JJ would have an axe to grind but it’s possible. It might be different if they were dear old chums but I doubt the two have spoken to each other for years. Always seems odd to me that these clichéd assumptions about asking advice on the job you want are rolled out every time.
Listening to the excellent and insightful Undr the Cosh podcast confirms football is one big knitting circle so I'd be astounded if players don't talk before upping sticks and moving their families from one side of the country to the other.
How much bearing such conversations have on decisions is another matter but I expect they do occur.3 -
Alan Curbishley and Richard Murray had a very good working relationship for most if not all of their time together.
Alan Curbishley had the final say on incoming transfers as long as inside the Budget set by Murray.
Murray didn't rate Matt Holland but Curbs did if playing alongside a young Scott Parker, and had the final say and Matt joined Cafc from Ipswich.
Final say by the manager who picks the team and gets the casting vote. How can it makes sense any other way ? Have a committee by all means as diverse opinions from different people are advantageous when making decisions on a person who has so many important decisions to be made concerning winning football matches which is the core goal for harmony in the football business.6 -
Or would you back yourself and trust in your own judgement , so if it goes tits you’ve only yourself to blame, or conversely pat yourself on the back🤷🏻♂️shirty5 said:
Well they played together for 2 seasons. If you was going for a job and you knew someone who used to work there would you not ask them?ShootersHillGuru said:I’m not saying it’s inaccurate that Taylor will “inevitably “ have spoken to Jackson but I’m not convinced these statements are always true. I’m sure if MT really wanted to get hold of Jackson’s number he could but how much credence would you place on asking the person who’s just been sacked from the job you are considering ? I’m not saying JJ would have an axe to grind but it’s possible. It might be different if they were dear old chums but I doubt the two have spoken to each other for years. Always seems odd to me that these clichéd assumptions about asking advice on the job you want are rolled out every time.0 -
And yes, we replaced the away end and the old grandstand (the one facing the cameras) a couple of years ago. Away capacity is I think around 950 standing and 350 seated.seth plum said:@ExeterDave the great Fred Binney played for both of our clubs.
The best person I ever employed and worked alongside arrived with a first from Exeter University.
I like the ground development seen on the telly since my last visit to the proper St James’ Park, what is the away capacity?
My understanding is that true Devonians pronounce it ‘Egg-zet-ur’, unlike our terrible Grockle mispronounciation.
Looking forward to us playing each other next season, and whatever the management situation I hope you do well.0 -
So no news then? The club is a joke, takes us weeks to get anything done. Last summer we went about a month without signing anyone during the window, and we wonder why we failed last season.4
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Clearly some people cannot forgive TS for firing Jackson.randy andy said:My god this place is both tedious and depressing at time.
Literally nobody knows what terms have been offered to any prospective manager (if any have), what restraints will be placed on that manager, what structure they'll work within.
Yet the hand wringing and incessant bleating is endless, "nobody will come in under this system", "why haven't we got anybody in yet", and on and on and on.
The season hasn't even finished yet! Only 2 clubs have appointed new managers so far, and I think we're all in agreement that one of those may have been a bit hasty. I'd far rather the club takes it's time finding the right appointment, and that the negotiations to get the right deal and system in place take whatever time is needed.
It's like you're all desperate for the worst possible outcome just so you can justify your self flagellation.0 -
Well time will tell in the coming weeks and months.randy andy said:My god this place is both tedious and depressing at time.
Literally nobody knows what terms have been offered to any prospective manager (if any have), what restraints will be placed on that manager, what structure they'll work within.
Yet the hand wringing and incessant bleating is endless, "nobody will come in under this system", "why haven't we got anybody in yet", and on and on and on.
The season hasn't even finished yet! Only 2 clubs have appointed new managers so far, and I think we're all in agreement that one of those may have been a bit hasty. I'd far rather the club takes it's time finding the right appointment, and that the negotiations to get the right deal and system in place take whatever time is needed.
It's like you're all desperate for the worst possible outcome just so you can justify your self flagellation.
All I've seen so far is us release a manager who had potential (in my view) despite a poor start and let one of out best players in Washington go with neither being replaced yet and huge gaps in a squad purportedly aiming for top 2 this season.
Early days yet but I'm very much action and evidence over words and what could be. When the manager and players come in then hopefully that'll shift me to a more optimistic outlook.5 -
I would ask around and then get all the advice/conversations I needed and then decide from there.paulfox said:
Or would you back yourself and trust in your own judgement , so if it tits you’ve only yourself to blame, or conversely pat yourself on the back🤷🏻♂️shirty5 said:
Well they played together for 2 seasons. If you was going for a job and you knew someone who used to work there would you not ask them?ShootersHillGuru said:I’m not saying it’s inaccurate that Taylor will “inevitably “ have spoken to Jackson but I’m not convinced these statements are always true. I’m sure if MT really wanted to get hold of Jackson’s number he could but how much credence would you place on asking the person who’s just been sacked from the job you are considering ? I’m not saying JJ would have an axe to grind but it’s possible. It might be different if they were dear old chums but I doubt the two have spoken to each other for years. Always seems odd to me that these clichéd assumptions about asking advice on the job you want are rolled out every time.1 - Sponsored links:
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I actually do it the Cornish way (with jam first), but only because I find it easier. That's also the way the Queen has it apparently. I'm basically a rubbish Devonian.seth plum said:
Yeah, but is it jam or cream first on the scones?ExeterDave said:
That's how some of the more thicker-accented say it. I say Exe-eter, but then I don't have a Devonshire accent, I'm Queen's English.seth plum said:@ExeterDave the great Fred Binney played for both of our clubs.
The best person I ever employed and worked alongside arrived with a first from Exeter University.
I like the ground development seen on the telly since my last visit to the proper St James’ Park, what is the away capacity?
My understanding is that true Devonians pronounce it ‘Egg-zet-ur’, unlike our terrible Grockle mispronounciation.
Looking forward to us playing each other next season, and whatever the management situation I hope you do well.9 -
Or are just sceptical having finished in our lowest league position in living memory without a manager or players and seeing very little correlation between stated strategy and objectives and reality in the past 2 years.balham red said:
Clearly some people cannot forgive TS for firing Jackson.randy andy said:My god this place is both tedious and depressing at time.
Literally nobody knows what terms have been offered to any prospective manager (if any have), what restraints will be placed on that manager, what structure they'll work within.
Yet the hand wringing and incessant bleating is endless, "nobody will come in under this system", "why haven't we got anybody in yet", and on and on and on.
The season hasn't even finished yet! Only 2 clubs have appointed new managers so far, and I think we're all in agreement that one of those may have been a bit hasty. I'd far rather the club takes it's time finding the right appointment, and that the negotiations to get the right deal and system in place take whatever time is needed.
It's like you're all desperate for the worst possible outcome just so you can justify your self flagellation.10 -
Would JJ slag off the Club that he loves and that has given him the opportunity afforded to so few to coach and then manage?
Not convinced he would. I think he would give an honest answer which would be pretty good.4 -
It's an assessment of his former boss and the parameters under which he performed the role not the club.Redrobo said:Would JJ slag off the Club that he loves and that has given him the opportunity afforded to so few to coach and then manage?
Not convinced he would. I think he would give an honest answer which would be pretty good.
I've worked for great bosses in poor companies and vice versa.
There is a difference between slagging someone off and privately giving an honest and frank insight into what was experienced with said boss and remaining players left from Jackson's tenure.
Both of which I would expect Taylor to ask about before committing him and his family to a substantial life change.
I doubt Jackson would be bitter or petty for the sake of it and Taylor or other candidates would take everything with a pinch of salt given they're talking to someone whose recently been sacked...so if the insight is positive/ not terrible it'd likely enhance Taylors inclination to sign any offer for us.5 -
I’m not sure who the people “who have an agenda” against TS are or what their “agenda” is, But I do recognise this as the way any criticism of the spivs, Duchatelet and ESI was dismissed. Until it wasn’t.paulfox said:
The trouble is our fan base have been scarred from the wankers as you technically call them, has your stance changed on TS? As your tone of post regarding him seems to have changed or am I misinterpreting things( easily done) are we in danger of trying to find TS out as you say and eventually push the guy away for what has been described as naive mistakes?. If the people with an agenda against him have concrete evidence that history is repeating then show the evidence so it can be acted upon, otherwise it could end in tears and open ourselves up to Thomas giving it bollox, and low and behold we’re asking the same questions of the new incumbent, eventually the doubters are going to have to accept what we have and not what they would want in a perfect world.Airman Brown said:
To a greater or lesser extent the story of every ownership (discounting ESI2) over the last decade is the same - movement from optimism/goodwill to disappointment/ antagonism. The timescale and depth of disillusionment differed but the trajectory has been the same. I think that is more accurate than “two camps” - it is a dynamic and people move from one to the other position over time. The movement has been one way only.wmcf123 said:
There are two camps here - blind faith in Sandgaard or enormous sceptics. One is based on evidence, one is based on hope.JamesSeed said:
None of us really know though. I suspect it’s just a good fit for TS to have his son here, to keep an eye on things as Seth said. I doubt very much that Martin is throwing his weight around overruling people who have much more experience than he does, even if TS is bigging him up, saying he runs the show. Fwiw, the body language between him and Gallen seemed ok after the U18s match at the weekend. If Martin *is* being is nightmare then I’m sure we’ll hear about it one way or another.GenevaCharlton said:
Appreciate your thoughts Seth but its not about trust it’s nepotism and it’s bonkers. Yes he can do what he likes it’s his money but it’s pure wrong for our football club.seth plum said:I am not sure what Martin Sandgaard does, or any detail at all as to why he is disparaged, although I am sure people will reasonably say others could do whatever MS is supposed to do much better, but beyond that what damage to good stuff balance is there?
I certainly don’t know.
However what does make sense to me is Thomas Sandgaard having somebody in location he can trust, and to be honest I don’t blame him.
Perhaps it was ever thus. You can apply it to the Glikstens, Hulyer, Fryer and even the Murray-led administration although there was significant success mixed into those (over and above promotion from the third tier).
I do not think the fans were responsible for what happened with the spivs/Duchatelet/ESI - the reality was that all of these owners were wankers, to use the technical term. The movement in opinion was thus inevitable as they got found out, on and off the pitch. None of those people were going to run the club successfully over time, however the fans reacted. All of them, incidentally, were overtly or covertly opposed by their own staff.
It’s important both to learn from history and not to conclude that this dynamic is inevitable. But right now the trajectory is the same, whether people like it or not.15 -
This is what I find staggering in the blind optimism in the absence of tangible evidence to back up stated objectives etc.Airman Brown said:
I’m not sure who the people “who have an agenda” against TS are or what their “agenda” is, But I do recognise this as the way any criticism of the spivs, Duchatelet and ESI was dismissed. Until it wasn’t.paulfox said:
The trouble is our fan base have been scarred from the wankers as you technically call them, has your stance changed on TS? As your tone of post regarding him seems to have changed or am I misinterpreting things( easily done) are we in danger of trying to find TS out as you say and eventually push the guy away for what has been described as naive mistakes?. If the people with an agenda against him have concrete evidence that history is repeating then show the evidence so it can be acted upon, otherwise it could end in tears and open ourselves up to Thomas giving it bollox, and low and behold we’re asking the same questions of the new incumbent, eventually the doubters are going to have to accept what we have and not what they would want in a perfect world.Airman Brown said:
To a greater or lesser extent the story of every ownership (discounting ESI2) over the last decade is the same - movement from optimism/goodwill to disappointment/ antagonism. The timescale and depth of disillusionment differed but the trajectory has been the same. I think that is more accurate than “two camps” - it is a dynamic and people move from one to the other position over time. The movement has been one way only.wmcf123 said:
There are two camps here - blind faith in Sandgaard or enormous sceptics. One is based on evidence, one is based on hope.JamesSeed said:
None of us really know though. I suspect it’s just a good fit for TS to have his son here, to keep an eye on things as Seth said. I doubt very much that Martin is throwing his weight around overruling people who have much more experience than he does, even if TS is bigging him up, saying he runs the show. Fwiw, the body language between him and Gallen seemed ok after the U18s match at the weekend. If Martin *is* being is nightmare then I’m sure we’ll hear about it one way or another.GenevaCharlton said:
Appreciate your thoughts Seth but its not about trust it’s nepotism and it’s bonkers. Yes he can do what he likes it’s his money but it’s pure wrong for our football club.seth plum said:I am not sure what Martin Sandgaard does, or any detail at all as to why he is disparaged, although I am sure people will reasonably say others could do whatever MS is supposed to do much better, but beyond that what damage to good stuff balance is there?
I certainly don’t know.
However what does make sense to me is Thomas Sandgaard having somebody in location he can trust, and to be honest I don’t blame him.
Perhaps it was ever thus. You can apply it to the Glikstens, Hulyer, Fryer and even the Murray-led administration although there was significant success mixed into those (over and above promotion from the third tier).
I do not think the fans were responsible for what happened with the spivs/Duchatelet/ESI - the reality was that all of these owners were wankers, to use the technical term. The movement in opinion was thus inevitable as they got found out, on and off the pitch. None of those people were going to run the club successfully over time, however the fans reacted. All of them, incidentally, were overtly or covertly opposed by their own staff.
It’s important both to learn from history and not to conclude that this dynamic is inevitable. But right now the trajectory is the same, whether people like it or not.
(Mandatory caveat that of course TS is nowhere near the same as the others, "he saved us" etc and it doesn't have to be binary in that respect)4 -
It's exactly how I see things & believe I've said as much.ExeterDave said:Heyo, Exeter fan here popping along to share some thoughts on Matt Taylor as there seems to be a lot of talk about him going to you. No idea if any of it is genuine or not and obviously hope he doesn't go, but that's the nature of football.He's clearly done some great stuff with a midtable budget this season. It's taken some time to get there though, you might need a little patience to get to where you want to be. Doesn't sound like your owners are in for that. We've had some dire results over the last 4 years and there was a vocal minority calling for him to be gone, particularly the end of last season.As far as tactics go, we've done really well with 5-3-2, which I read is what you've been playing and it not being an ideal fit. I wouldn't worry too much about that, we were forced into it by having a bunch of players best suited to wingback and no fullbacks or wingers.Developing academy players is something we're known for and I've seen people on here are keen on it. Obviously a lot of this is down to the academy itself, which was churning out gems before Taylor and will continue to do so after he's gone (hopefully!). He deserves credit for bringing them into the first team, but again that's been a longterm project requiring patience as they are gradually introduced. This close season he's been unusually ruthless culling them, with some real surprise releases. I guess that's either a good or bad thing depending on your point of view.The big issue seems to be your owner's interference, which I think might be the thing that really gives Taylor pause. At Exeter he has pretty much complete control over everything. Unlike in the past we don't have an experienced director of football behind the scenes. I don't know if he'd be willing to work with an owner who is telling him how to play and who to sign.0 -
Must say i'm surprised TS didn't have a clear succession plan and be able to execute it in a timely manner after the sacking of Jackson. He must have known well in advance he was leaving. This needs sorting this week.5
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As Leo Tolstoy who managed Arsenal (Tula, not Woolwich) and did some writing in his spare time almost said:
All good owners are alike, but every bad owner is bad in their own way
So fans can criticise TS and IMHO there are a number of valid reasons and other concerns at present (and some nonsense too) but he isn't ESI 1 or 2, Roland, the Spivs, Murray, Hulyer or the Glikstens. He is a different person in a different time.
So comparisons, which are inevitable, are unhelpful.
He doesn't have to be as bad as Roland to be bad.
And not being as bad as the Spivs, Roland, or ESI (which I don't think he is) doesn't put him beyond criticism either.
Not going to rehash yet again what mistakes he has or hasn't made.
I expect everyone, especially me, to make mistakes.
It is how people react and learn from those mistakes that is telling.
That's why this managerial appointment and the summer's recruitment will be, IMHO, the key indicator for TS.
We don't know the internal timetable for the managerial appointment so we don't know if it is ahead of, on or behind schedule.
We do know that no has been announced on the OS. Yet.7 -
I'm sorry. But I can't keep giving these people the benefit of the doubt. I can only react to what I'm seeing and hearing. The blind faith part of my brain was scorched some years ago.randy andy said:My god this place is both tedious and depressing at times.
Literally nobody knows what terms have been offered to any prospective manager (if any have), what restraints will be placed on that manager, what structure they'll work within.
Yet the hand wringing and incessant bleating is endless, "nobody will come in under this system", "why haven't we got anybody in yet", and on and on and on.
The season hasn't even finished yet! Only 2 clubs have appointed new managers so far, and I think we're all in agreement that one of those may have been a bit hasty. I'd far rather the club takes it's time finding the right appointment, and that the negotiations to get the right deal and system in place take whatever time is needed.
It's like you're all desperate for the worst possible outcome just so you can justify your self flagellation.
We are by far in a worse position now than we were 12 months ago.
And I say that in terms of building a successful side and pushing forward.
You'll remember that Adkins was appointed after a diligent interviewing stage and he at least had the luxury of a few months before the pivotal summer period to get established and decide what he wanted and didn't want. He was then subsequently let down badly during that period for reasons only known by this ownership.
Now fast forward 12 months. A team of people who on the whole still know very little about football are tasked with trying to find a manager.
When they've managed to do that, they will then be faced with the equally monumental task of finding players to fit into the new managers ethos. ( If he or she are allowed to have their own one?)
So to wrap up, the stage was set much fairer last summer than it is this. Quite why anyone would think the outcome will be rosier is beyond me?15
