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  • I dont think or understand why if anyone like Beale has accepted the job it would necessitate being kept quiet. I think both clubs would probably announce it saying he's joining us at end of season.

    It's not a controversial appointment that will destabilise either club as if it were guardiola or klopp moving on somewhere with lots to play for.

    I'd say outside of villa, rangers and charlton Beale isn't really big news in the football world and whilst I'll be delighted if he joins us and villa will lose an apparently excellent coach I can't see why it would be hushed up until villa complete their dead rubber this weekend.
    Could be that contracts and compensation is still being negotiated 

  • I dont think or understand why if anyone like Beale has accepted the job it would necessitate being kept quiet. I think both clubs would probably announce it saying he's joining us at end of season.

    It's not a controversial appointment that will destabilise either club as if it were guardiola or klopp moving on somewhere with lots to play for.

    I'd say outside of villa, rangers and charlton Beale isn't really big news in the football world and whilst I'll be delighted if he joins us and villa will lose an apparently excellent coach I can't see why it would be hushed up until villa complete their dead rubber this weekend.
    Not a dead rubber really though is it, as their remaining match could decide the title. I could very easily understand Gerrard not wanting any noise until the last match is out the way.

  • I dont think or understand why if anyone like Beale has accepted the job it would necessitate being kept quiet. I think both clubs would probably announce it saying he's joining us at end of season.

    It's not a controversial appointment that will destabilise either club as if it were guardiola or klopp moving on somewhere with lots to play for.

    I'd say outside of villa, rangers and charlton Beale isn't really big news in the football world and whilst I'll be delighted if he joins us and villa will lose an apparently excellent coach I can't see why it would be hushed up until villa complete their dead rubber this weekend.
    Man C v A Villa on Sunday.
    If Beale is the brains behind Villa, then his announced departure could effect who wins The Premier League?
  • Ah sorry I didn't realise who villa had
  • Cawley/SLP also seem to think Beale is first choice. 
    Sorry yes I did see that but it was kind of covered by Gerrard being asked as he was questioned about the report by Cawley. Just making sure I wasn't missing something that some are getting very excited that it is happening imminently. 
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    No the original point was basically past performance, or lack of, doesn't really paint any sort of picture at all, without context.

    As an example you can't compare Adkins's success at Southampton with his failed here and draw the conclusion he is "yesterday's man".  Different players, different owners, different opponents, different staff.

    You originally said that a manager who had been at a higher level would only come here because they couldn't get a job at a higher level because they aren't good enough any more, or words to that effect.

    Dyche probably will end up getting a big championship job but is that because he isnt good enough, any more, to be a Premier League one?
    It’s broadly true though of course there are exceptions. If a manager is rated as a Championship level manager with the amount of managerial changes that happen they’ve got a good chance of getting another job at that level.

    In the same way we can’t assume Adkins is a great manager based on him managing a very well funded Southampton team who had various players who went on to impress at a much higher level than League 1.

    That’s an assumption on Dyche but probably true due to his style of football putting Prem clubs off.
  • Is this longest it’s ever taken us to appoint a new manager?
  • CH4RLTON said:
    Is this longest it’s ever taken us to appoint a new manager?
    Obviously taking interim managers out of the equation
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  • Jackson took two months to appoint... otherwise looking for other examples.
  • edited May 2022
    Bob Peeters was appointed on May 27th 2014, 24 days after Jose Riga's last game in charge.

    We are 20 days since Jackson's last game.
  • 69 new posts since I last looked. Thought tongues had been waggin
  • Bob Peeters was appointed on May 27th 2014, 24 days after Jose Riga's last game in charge.

    We are 20 days since Jackson's last game.
    Iain Dowie was appointed on May 30th 2006, 23 days after Curbs' last game in charge.
  • Looks like we have fallen into a pattern of parting ways with a manager at the end of the season every eight years...
  • He didn't have to as far as I am concerened. He impressed at Charlton. Jobs differ and good managers have failures on their CVs as well as successes.
    True but you’d expect the better managers to have more successes than failures. Powell did a brilliant job for us and could have taken us further with enough backing, but if he came back I wouldn’t expect him to repeat that success. Partly for his ability to do it and partly because it’s unlikely so many signings would work out as well as they did.
  • Scoham said:
    It’s broadly true though of course there are exceptions. If a manager is rated as a Championship level manager with the amount of managerial changes that happen they’ve got a good chance of getting another job at that level.

    In the same way we can’t assume Adkins is a great manager based on him managing a very well funded Southampton team who had various players who went on to impress at a much higher level than League 1.

    That’s an assumption on Dyche but probably true due to his style of football putting Prem clubs off.
    At the same time we can't say that Adkins isn't a good manager because of his time here.  Or Reading, or Hull because of exactly the same reason.

    Big Mick got stick for not taking Ipswich back up but the season they sacked him they went down....

    With Dyche, could he have kept Burnley up playing tiki taka?  Almost certainly not.  Big Sam didn't play that style when he had the players at Bolton to not.  Would Dyche play like that if he had unlimited resource, I would suggest not.

    Almost everyone, including the dinosaurs and yesterday's men have all the badges, circumstances are a bigger factor in success or not.
  • Man C v A Villa on Sunday.
    If Beale is the brains behind Villa, then his announced departure could effect who wins The Premier League?
    I would say the £15m bonus Villa get for Grealish becoming PL Champion would have more Impact on who wins the Premier League 
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  • I don't get this. What format?

    what do we do that's so different to every other club?
    lose a lot
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    At the same time we can't say that Adkins isn't a good manager because of his time here.  Or Reading, or Hull because of exactly the same reason.

    Big Mick got stick for not taking Ipswich back up but the season they sacked him they went down....

    With Dyche, could he have kept Burnley up playing tiki taka?  Almost certainly not.  Big Sam didn't play that style when he had the players at Bolton to not.  Would Dyche play like that if he had unlimited resource, I would suggest not.

    Almost everyone, including the dinosaurs and yesterday's men have all the badges, circumstances are a bigger factor in success or not.
    We’re going in circles but agreeing managers like Adkins have mixed records so in most cases they’re seen as reasonable managers who will succeed in the right circumstances.

    Burnley couldn’t have stayed up playing tika taka and no doubt he’d adapt to an extent with a bigger budget. However Prem club owners who want to play that way probably won’t have him near the top of their list. They’re far more likely to go for a manager who wants their team playing from the back regardless of budget.

    I agree circumstance play a big part but doesn’t make me hope we appoint someone similar to Adkins ahead of Beale or Taylor. Who are you hoping we appoint?
  • edited May 2022
    Scoham said:
    We’re going in circles but agreeing managers like Adkins have mixed records so in most cases they’re seen as reasonable managers who will succeed in the right circumstances.

    Burnley couldn’t have stayed up playing tika taka and no doubt he’d adapt to an extent with a bigger budget. However Prem club owners who want to play that way probably won’t have him near the top of their list. They’re far more likely to go for a manager who wants their team playing from the back regardless of budget.

    I agree circumstance play a big part but doesn’t make me hope we appoint someone similar to Adkins ahead of Beale or Taylor. Who are you hoping we appoint?
    Who is not the point is it.  My whole point is unless it's a PE teacher or some other randomer the circumstances (ie recruitment, staff etc) will have more of a bearing on if it works or not than who it is.

    If is another Adkins, another Robinson, another Powell or a Beale.  Quite how you would find another of anyone is beyond me though.
  • Iain Dowie was appointed on May 30th 2006, 23 days after Curbs' last game in charge.
    And that went well!
  • Football managers literally work for entire human rights abusing governments. Blackpool were owned by an actual rapist. I think we'll manage to hire a decent enough bloke to run our third division football team.
    Honestly, the state of some of you.
    Completely, 100% this.
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Who is not the point is it.  My whole point is unless it's a PE teacher or some other randomer the circumstances (ie recruitment, staff etc) will have more of a bearing on if it works or not than who it is.

    If is another Adkins, another Robinson, another Powell or a Beale.  Quite how you would find another of anyone is beyond me though.
    I said for much of the season our recruitment was the main issue so I agree, but it still makes sense to go for whoever you think is the best manager you can attract. It's only an opinion of course which is why some owners go for young managers from a lower division and others would prefer an experienced manager.

  • Looks like a horse race, seeing Lennon has been ruled out by Cawley! 
  • CH4RLTON said:
    Is this longest it’s ever taken us to appoint a new manager?
    No ….. 
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