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Scoham said:
I’ve had a look, there’s an article on it. Their committee has 5 members, the CEO, the head coach, the recruitment and analytics manager and two senior scouts.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Non football people with zero experience? I doubt it.Todds_right_hook said:
Yes. I've used Wimbledon before as an example and I'll use them again. They have a committee of non football people who make all decisions on transfers and contracts.Stu_of_Kunming said:
who heads up our recruitment? Is that normal?Todds_right_hook said:
I don't get this. What format?bertpalmer said:
no one decent wants to be manager under TS formatCH4RLTON said:Is this longest it’s ever taken us to appoint a new manager?
what do we do that's so different to every other club?
its more common than you ours think. But I'm guessing that doesn't fit into most peoples ts bashing agenda.
jackson took our job knowing the set up and then again at Wimbledon. Either jj is stupid or he has a greater understanding of how football clubs are run than the members of Charlton life 🤔
CEO Joe Palmer was previously a director at Shakhtar Donetsk and COO with Sheff Wed. He’s been at AFCW since 2018 first as COO and then CEO.
Will Daniels recruitment and analytics manager worked as a sports trader for Spreadex since 2003. He joined AFCW as an analyst in 2019 and moved to his current role in 2021.
No idea who the senior scouts are.
Not wildly different from what we’re doing but the CEO has been in football for a lot longer and I assume the senior scouts have decent experience in the game too.
https://www.afcwimbledon.co.uk/news/2021/april/robbo-key-to-our-football-revolution/Q: So, a football committee has been created – but who sits on it?
Joe: There’s me, Robbo, our new recruitment and analytics manager, Will Daniels, and two senior scouts.
The recruitment analytics team at AFC have all either, studied sports performance analysis, data science, have fa player performance accreditation and a fair few having done junior coaching or worked varying analyst jobs at other clubs.
This is,again, the only point of concern people have with our current set-up, they have a pretty well experienced data team in place (including a junior analyst who left us in 2018!), Ours headed up by a guy who has a very week data CV and no industry knowledge, with the ultimate decision falling on the owner with even less knowledge.
But still, some people like to portray it as some sort of personal hatred towards Sandy JR.7 -
Agree on the senior scouts, that’s why I said I assume they have decent experience in the game. Very unlikely they’ve gone straight into senior roles.Airman Brown said:
I doubt the scouts are “non-football” people, as previously described, and the head coach is part of the committee. You could equate that to the recruitment structure at Charlton in 2011.Scoham said:
I’ve had a look, there’s an article on it. Their committee has 5 members, the CEO, the head coach, the recruitment and analytics manager and two senior scouts.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Non football people with zero experience? I doubt it.Todds_right_hook said:
Yes. I've used Wimbledon before as an example and I'll use them again. They have a committee of non football people who make all decisions on transfers and contracts.Stu_of_Kunming said:
who heads up our recruitment? Is that normal?Todds_right_hook said:
I don't get this. What format?bertpalmer said:
no one decent wants to be manager under TS formatCH4RLTON said:Is this longest it’s ever taken us to appoint a new manager?
what do we do that's so different to every other club?
its more common than you ours think. But I'm guessing that doesn't fit into most peoples ts bashing agenda.
jackson took our job knowing the set up and then again at Wimbledon. Either jj is stupid or he has a greater understanding of how football clubs are run than the members of Charlton life 🤔
CEO Joe Palmer was previously a director at Shakhtar Donetsk and COO with Sheff Wed. He’s been at AFCW since 2018 first as COO and then CEO.
Will Daniels recruitment and analytics manager worked as a sports trader for Spreadex since 2003. He joined AFCW as an analyst in 2019 and moved to his current role in 2021.
No idea who the senior scouts are.
Not wildly different from what we’re doing but the CEO has been in football for a lot longer and I assume the senior scouts have decent experience in the game too.
https://www.afcwimbledon.co.uk/news/2021/april/robbo-key-to-our-football-revolution/Q: So, a football committee has been created – but who sits on it?
Joe: There’s me, Robbo, our new recruitment and analytics manager, Will Daniels, and two senior scouts.
That structure didn’t include Jimenez/Slater although there’s no reason it couldn’t have included someone holding the purse strings. Varney would have been a proxy for them, as well as being otherwise involved. Chris Powell was at the heart of it.
The key there is balance and variety. Not having a manager/head coach is obviously a handicap.
If our new manager/head coach and Gallen have input then that gives us balance and variety. If Gallen is purely there to negotiate and Jackson’s replacement has no say then obviously not.0 -
I don’t have an issue with the system, I have an issue with two of the most senior people in the system having zero experience other than watching SSN.Todds_right_hook said:
That's your choice but it happens! I'm not saying it's right but it happens. The Wimbledon committee decided to sell their star striker to Wrexham instead of paying him an extra 2k a month. That back fired!!Stu_of_Kunming said:
Non football people with zero experience? I doubt it.Todds_right_hook said:
Yes. I've used Wimbledon before as an example and I'll use them again. They have a committee of non football people who make all decisions on transfers and contracts.Stu_of_Kunming said:
who heads up our recruitment? Is that normal?Todds_right_hook said:
I don't get this. What format?bertpalmer said:
no one decent wants to be manager under TS formatCH4RLTON said:Is this longest it’s ever taken us to appoint a new manager?
what do we do that's so different to every other club?
its more common than you ours think. But I'm guessing that doesn't fit into most peoples ts bashing agenda.
jackson took our job knowing the set up and then again at Wimbledon. Either jj is stupid or he has a greater understanding of how football clubs are run than the members of Charlton life 🤔6 -
When are players due back?0
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Believe 16th June was mentioned by @Fanny Fanackapan via a conversation with Aneke.Dazzler21 said:When are players due back?1 -
Yeah most managers just say get me a defensive midfielder , and then a couple months later some bloke turns up at training that he has never seen beforeRonnieMoore said:
SG is head of recruitment .. gone are the days when a manager went to look at players , speak to people about him etc etc remember Curbs saying it can take up to a year for him to make a decision on a player .. now at all clubs in prem championship and most of league one who can afford it the manager just highlights the players or positions he wants and then leaves it all to the recruitment team and scouts … the first time the manager then sees the player is when he turns up for training , you don’t even get the manager and player picture together now that tells how recruitment as changedStu_of_Kunming said:
who heads up our recruitment? Is that normal?Todds_right_hook said:
I don't get this. What format?bertpalmer said:
no one decent wants to be manager under TS formatCH4RLTON said:Is this longest it’s ever taken us to appoint a new manager?
what do we do that's so different to every other club?3 -
Adkins had NO INTEREST in the players we signed last year. He had zero suggestions and zero interest in it. He had been out of the game for too long and wasn’t up to date with players but didn’t care anyway. He was prepared to work with what he had.
Don’t think it took too long to realise we had made a mistake but probably took too long to act on it.15 -
That was what happened a few times under Duchatelet crazily!MrOneLung said:
Yeah most managers just say get me a defensive midfielder , and then a couple months later some bloke turns up at training that he has never seen beforeRonnieMoore said:
SG is head of recruitment .. gone are the days when a manager went to look at players , speak to people about him etc etc remember Curbs saying it can take up to a year for him to make a decision on a player .. now at all clubs in prem championship and most of league one who can afford it the manager just highlights the players or positions he wants and then leaves it all to the recruitment team and scouts … the first time the manager then sees the player is when he turns up for training , you don’t even get the manager and player picture together now that tells how recruitment as changedStu_of_Kunming said:
who heads up our recruitment? Is that normal?Todds_right_hook said:
I don't get this. What format?bertpalmer said:
no one decent wants to be manager under TS formatCH4RLTON said:Is this longest it’s ever taken us to appoint a new manager?
what do we do that's so different to every other club?0 -
Re the length of time between departure of old manager and arrival of new one, Curbishley went in May 2006 but Dowie wasn't in until July as I recall, and that went well, didn't it!0
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There’s no question that managers do say to their recruitment teams “find me a defensive midfielder” or whatever and then have little input until a list fitting that requirement is made. Then I presume availability, budget and personal preferences are added to that mix. For most teams it’s a very difficult process because it will require the player to be either out of contract or available on a free. The days of a manager scouting, and then dealing with all aspects of getting players in ala Curbs are long gone. That’s not to say I think the manager shouldn’t have the final say but these days it’s very much a committee process.MrOneLung said:
Yeah most managers just say get me a defensive midfielder , and then a couple months later some bloke turns up at training that he has never seen beforeRonnieMoore said:
SG is head of recruitment .. gone are the days when a manager went to look at players , speak to people about him etc etc remember Curbs saying it can take up to a year for him to make a decision on a player .. now at all clubs in prem championship and most of league one who can afford it the manager just highlights the players or positions he wants and then leaves it all to the recruitment team and scouts … the first time the manager then sees the player is when he turns up for training , you don’t even get the manager and player picture together now that tells how recruitment as changedStu_of_Kunming said:
who heads up our recruitment? Is that normal?Todds_right_hook said:
I don't get this. What format?bertpalmer said:
no one decent wants to be manager under TS formatCH4RLTON said:Is this longest it’s ever taken us to appoint a new manager?
what do we do that's so different to every other club?2 - Sponsored links:
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Is this fact?? This could seriously be seen as an incentive to loseTo_Be_Franck said:
I would say the £15m bonus Villa get for Grealish becoming PL Champion would have more Impact on who wins the Premier LeagueCovered End said:
Man C v A Villa on Sunday.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:golfaddick said:I reckon the reason for the delay is because the manager is still in post & their season hasn't finished.
So I'm going for Beale.
I dont think or understand why if anyone like Beale has accepted the job it would necessitate being kept quiet. I think both clubs would probably announce it saying he's joining us at end of season.
It's not a controversial appointment that will destabilise either club as if it were guardiola or klopp moving on somewhere with lots to play for.
I'd say outside of villa, rangers and charlton Beale isn't really big news in the football world and whilst I'll be delighted if he joins us and villa will lose an apparently excellent coach I can't see why it would be hushed up until villa complete their dead rubber this weekend.
If Beale is the brains behind Villa, then his announced departure could effect who wins The Premier League?3 -
Dowie was announced 30th May.ChelmsfordAddick said:Re the length of time between departure of old manager and arrival of new one, Curbishley went in May 2006 but Dowie wasn't in until July as I recall, and that went well, didn't it!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/charlton_athletic/5027750.stm
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No reason at all to not believe that but why would Thomas have heated arguments about it with someone that couldn't give a toss either way?Swisdom said:Adkins had NO INTEREST in the players we signed last year. He had zero suggestions and zero interest in it. He had been out of the game for too long and wasn’t up to date with players but didn’t care anyway. He was prepared to work with what he had.
Don’t think it took too long to realise we had made a mistake but probably took too long to act on it.0 -
Potentially Thomas was “sucked in” to Adkins positivity and played too large a role in his employment. Regretted it and then took it all a bit personallyCafc43v3r said:
No reason at all to not believe that but why would Thomas have heated arguments about it with someone that couldn't give a toss either way?Swisdom said:Adkins had NO INTEREST in the players we signed last year. He had zero suggestions and zero interest in it. He had been out of the game for too long and wasn’t up to date with players but didn’t care anyway. He was prepared to work with what he had.
Don’t think it took too long to realise we had made a mistake but probably took too long to act on it.2 -
I thought he had to be convinced we should sign Dobson?Swisdom said:Adkins had NO INTEREST in the players we signed last year. He had zero suggestions and zero interest in it. He had been out of the game for too long and wasn’t up to date with players but didn’t care anyway. He was prepared to work with what he had.
Don’t think it took too long to realise we had made a mistake but probably took too long to act on it.3 -
Wouldn't the suggestion of players came up in the interview? Surely the flags would have been there?Swisdom said:Adkins had NO INTEREST in the players we signed last year. He had zero suggestions and zero interest in it. He had been out of the game for too long and wasn’t up to date with players but didn’t care anyway. He was prepared to work with what he had.
Don’t think it took too long to realise we had made a mistake but probably took too long to act on it.
But I suppose when you've got a very inexperienced person conducting the interviews then this type off scenario was always a possibility.0 -
As long as the lesson is learnedcarly burn said:
Wouldn't the suggestion of players came up in the interview? Surely the flags would have been there?Swisdom said:Adkins had NO INTEREST in the players we signed last year. He had zero suggestions and zero interest in it. He had been out of the game for too long and wasn’t up to date with players but didn’t care anyway. He was prepared to work with what he had.
Don’t think it took too long to realise we had made a mistake but probably took too long to act on it.
But I suppose when you've got a very inexperienced person conducting the interviews then this type off scenario was always a possibility.1 -
I wonder if Adkins has ever bought in players? Reading and Southampton both had proper director of football types......Swisdom said:
Potentially Thomas was “sucked in” to Adkins positivity and played too large a role in his employment. Regretted it and then took it all a bit personallyCafc43v3r said:
No reason at all to not believe that but why would Thomas have heated arguments about it with someone that couldn't give a toss either way?Swisdom said:Adkins had NO INTEREST in the players we signed last year. He had zero suggestions and zero interest in it. He had been out of the game for too long and wasn’t up to date with players but didn’t care anyway. He was prepared to work with what he had.
Don’t think it took too long to realise we had made a mistake but probably took too long to act on it.0 -
Seems like we get about 8 stories about Adkin's reign, all completely different from each other.
Taking anything with a pinch of salt, seems like most of the stories just want to rubbish Adkins' reign and shift the blame of the summer onto him.3 -
Has Euell got the qualifications to manage yet? Didn’t TS say he was really impressed by a presentation he’d seen Euell deliver that was looking at the future?Not saying he’s the right man but wouldn’t shock me tbh.0
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It was on Charlton Live on their POTY podcast but I think it was Pearce.mart77 said:Has Euell got the qualifications to manage yet? Didn’t TS say he was really impressed by a presentation he’d seen Euell deliver that was looking at the future?Not saying he’s the right man but wouldn’t shock me tbh.4 -
Some are.addick1956 said:
Both...CL forum members are just more stupidTodds_right_hook said:
Yes. I've used Wimbledon before as an example and I'll use them again. They have a committee of non football people who make all decisions on transfers and contracts.Stu_of_Kunming said:
who heads up our recruitment? Is that normal?Todds_right_hook said:
I don't get this. What format?bertpalmer said:
no one decent wants to be manager under TS formatCH4RLTON said:Is this longest it’s ever taken us to appoint a new manager?
what do we do that's so different to every other club?
its more common than you ours think. But I'm guessing that doesn't fit into most peoples ts bashing agenda.
jackson took our job knowing the set up and then again at Wimbledon. Either jj is stupid or he has a greater understanding of how football clubs are run than the members of Charlton life 🤔8 -
He was always the wrong appointment. Another reason someone else should be advising him.Swisdom said:
Potentially Thomas was “sucked in” to Adkins positivity and played too large a role in his employment. Regretted it and then took it all a bit personallyCafc43v3r said:
No reason at all to not believe that but why would Thomas have heated arguments about it with someone that couldn't give a toss either way?Swisdom said:Adkins had NO INTEREST in the players we signed last year. He had zero suggestions and zero interest in it. He had been out of the game for too long and wasn’t up to date with players but didn’t care anyway. He was prepared to work with what he had.
Don’t think it took too long to realise we had made a mistake but probably took too long to act on it.0 -
I did wonder if TS was taken in by someone in Adkins who's incredibly personable and probably a fantastic interviewee.2
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And there lies the problem.addick1956 said:
Someone is..his son Martin.The Red Robin said:
He was always the wrong appointment. Another reason someone else should be advising him.Swisdom said:
Potentially Thomas was “sucked in” to Adkins positivity and played too large a role in his employment. Regretted it and then took it all a bit personallyCafc43v3r said:
No reason at all to not believe that but why would Thomas have heated arguments about it with someone that couldn't give a toss either way?Swisdom said:Adkins had NO INTEREST in the players we signed last year. He had zero suggestions and zero interest in it. He had been out of the game for too long and wasn’t up to date with players but didn’t care anyway. He was prepared to work with what he had.
Don’t think it took too long to realise we had made a mistake but probably took too long to act on it.5 -
Which is clearly hasn’t, as no football people have been added to the senior management.Swisdom said:
As long as the lesson is learnedcarly burn said:
Wouldn't the suggestion of players came up in the interview? Surely the flags would have been there?Swisdom said:Adkins had NO INTEREST in the players we signed last year. He had zero suggestions and zero interest in it. He had been out of the game for too long and wasn’t up to date with players but didn’t care anyway. He was prepared to work with what he had.
Don’t think it took too long to realise we had made a mistake but probably took too long to act on it.
But I suppose when you've got a very inexperienced person conducting the interviews then this type off scenario was always a possibility.7 -
Is there a problem? 1st I’ve heard of it.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Which is clearly hasn’t, as no football people have been added to the senior management.Swisdom said:
As long as the lesson is learnedcarly burn said:
Wouldn't the suggestion of players came up in the interview? Surely the flags would have been there?Swisdom said:Adkins had NO INTEREST in the players we signed last year. He had zero suggestions and zero interest in it. He had been out of the game for too long and wasn’t up to date with players but didn’t care anyway. He was prepared to work with what he had.
Don’t think it took too long to realise we had made a mistake but probably took too long to act on it.
But I suppose when you've got a very inexperienced person conducting the interviews then this type off scenario was always a possibility.0 -
All he needs to do is phone Peter Varney.0
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Brian Jokat’s spell with Olympiacos doesn’t count?…Stu_of_Kunming said:
Which is clearly hasn’t, as no football people have been added to the senior management.Swisdom said:
As long as the lesson is learnedcarly burn said:
Wouldn't the suggestion of players came up in the interview? Surely the flags would have been there?Swisdom said:Adkins had NO INTEREST in the players we signed last year. He had zero suggestions and zero interest in it. He had been out of the game for too long and wasn’t up to date with players but didn’t care anyway. He was prepared to work with what he had.
Don’t think it took too long to realise we had made a mistake but probably took too long to act on it.
But I suppose when you've got a very inexperienced person conducting the interviews then this type off scenario was always a possibility.0 -
Eight months as “sponsorship consultant”?Scoham said:
Brian Jokat’s spell with Olympiacos doesn’t count?…Stu_of_Kunming said:
Which is clearly hasn’t, as no football people have been added to the senior management.Swisdom said:
As long as the lesson is learnedcarly burn said:
Wouldn't the suggestion of players came up in the interview? Surely the flags would have been there?Swisdom said:Adkins had NO INTEREST in the players we signed last year. He had zero suggestions and zero interest in it. He had been out of the game for too long and wasn’t up to date with players but didn’t care anyway. He was prepared to work with what he had.
Don’t think it took too long to realise we had made a mistake but probably took too long to act on it.
But I suppose when you've got a very inexperienced person conducting the interviews then this type off scenario was always a possibility.8
