Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)

Garrymanilow said:

RoanRedNY said:

Garrymanilow said:

RoanRedNY said:

Garrymanilow said:

RoanRedNY said:

Garrymanilow said:

RoanRedNY said:

it’s a real shame that recently fans can’t seem to just post their concerns about the team, recruitment, TS, MS, which are all valid - without a vociferous minority sweepingly insulting or abusing CL or posters with whom they don’t agree.  We are not entitled, or comparing to previous shit owners, TS “bashers” or stupid, we are simply concerned fans.  TS is the owner, but has said and done some bizarre things which give cause for concern, and done some of those things very strangely.  His son knows SFA about football and an estimation of 10x the average sky viewer is an overestimate by about 10.  Recruitment and some of the back room structure is and continues to be an issue, concerns over management and new player recruitment are equally valid.  Let everyone have their say without sweeping generalizations or insults.  Doesn’t need to be that way just because some don’t agree.  It’s all opinion and conjecture and no-one on this forum has the “I’m always right” stick.

The highlighted irony here is why people do sometimes get annoyed at fans posting their concerns. What do you honestly know about Martin Sandgaard, other than what you've decided you know about him? Unless you know him personally, I suspect very little. So why are you insulting his football knowledge? It's true, he might not even know what shape the ball they use is, but I think it's slightly more likely that you're making a sweeping assumption, barbed with an insult, based on conjecture, which is exactly what you're complaining about other people doing. I think I need a lie down actually, this might have finished me.

Hope you are Okay after your lie down - you need it as your logic must be strangling you.  Your irony in pointing out the irony is well noted.  

Assuming very few of the people on here have worked for a professional football club or played or managed at a professional level, we all still post about players, managers, clubs, training, formation, tactics and share our views/concerns, but apparently someone with absolutely no football connection, no football CV and probably not posting on this forum is not fair game unless I am lifelong mates with him. 

That’s really your point to a post simply asking for a little more tolerance of different views?  Good grief. 

My original post has been deleted and the forum closed for me.  I hate social media, have no twitterverse accounts and this type of response definitely reinforces the view that people are better of without it.

Jesus Christ. Of course we can all post opinions on tactics and players, but typically we have some concept of the things we're looking at. I don't think Albie Morgan is very good for instance, but I base that on what I've seen. Given that Martin Sandgaard is new on the scene I don't see how we can know anything about him (unless you know him, which is why I added that). Yet despite that you've stated that he 'knows SFA about football', and in the same breath complained that people are making assumptions. You can have reservations and concerns about what's going on at the club, I do too, but I just don't see on what basis you've claimed MS doesn't know anything about football, and the fact you've done that while moaning about people making assumptions is incredible to me, that's all. As for whatever you're talking about at the end there I have no idea. Can't help you with that.

As your twisted logic turns into a pretzel, you may have noticed you completely missed the whole point of my original, now deleted post, in your zeal to do exactly what the post suggested would be better if we didn’t - I know right, lots of words.  I was asking for a level of tolerance of which you are clearly incapable.  The real blood pressure riser for you seems to be my throw away on MS not knowing about football.  Whereas  you can disparage a player who has over 100 more professional football appearances than you, I am guessing,  I am also fully entitled to my opinion (right or wrong) without you screaming about nonsense guide rails and imposing subjectivities - like I have to know him personally  to form an opinion - and likewise you are very welcome to your opinions on Morgan or anyone else. 

The difference being I wouldn’t be “Jesus Christing” all over the place about your opinion or introducing rules around how or why you form an opinion.  Tell you what, when MS is employed or headhunted by another professional football league side in any of the top 5 divisions I shall happily admit my assumptions around his football knowledge was wrong. how about that?  I’d also delete my original post if I hadn’t already done so.

Meantime I refer you to the main point of the post, rather than this ludicrous side track, but, to be fully frank, I really don’t give two tuppeny fucks what you think, it’s my opinion and I am Okay with it, thanks

Reply away, it will be ignored.

Thank you, I enjoyed this. It was nonsense entirely, but I enjoyed it. You're talking about tolerance for opinions, which I can assure you everyone on here has, but the point I am making - over and over again sadly - is that you cannot possibly have any basis for your claim that Martin Sandgaard knows 'SFA about football'. It is purest conjecture based on nothing. People can have tolerance for an opinion based on something i.e. x player isn't good or 'I don't think hiring MS is a good idea based on his lack of footballing background' - a perfectly valid thing to think - but your claim that he doesn't know anything about football is completely baseless. Unless of course you've worked with him before and you can base that on something real. It's not a 'nonsense guide rail' to think that you should actually have some knowledge about something before you spaff your opinions all over a message board. I don't want you to admit your assumptions are wrong if he's great at his job, I want you to be happy that we've got a good person involved in signing our players! I wouldn't want you to delete your original post either, I just think you can't just brazenly state something like that about someone's knowledge without knowing a thing about him. You absolute loon.

I don’t think I have ever read such complete bollocks wrapped in strangled logic, but if it makes you happy, you carry on.  What I do know is MS would not hold the job he has based on football knowledge and his CV in any other professional football club.  That’s a fact, and when it isn’t I’ll admit it. Meantime 1 throw away line has you bent double about MS for some reason, and just being a bit of a cock about it.  I don’t agree with you, you’re free not to agree with me but this constant drivel about a throw away line is quite laughable if it wasn’t so silly

 I thought you were meant to be ignoring me

seth plum said:

I want to send best wishes to all candidates facing exams during this period of time, be they GCSE’s, A-levels, University finals and whatever. Also very best wishes to friends and families and especially teachers doing what they can to be supportive.
It is a drag this phenomena takes place during hay fever season, and the format of examinations is questionable anyway, but most of all the amount of missed school and disruption that people have faced due to Covid makes these current exams pretty tough.

Henry Irving said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

The other thing about interviews is they are generally instigated by an application. It is unusual for somebody to apply then reject.

Disagree.

This isn't an openly advertised role with salary range or other T & Cs set out.

So a manager or her agent might express an interest and then so "no" when the wages, length of contract and levels of control etc etc are discovered.

grumpyaddick said:

Have we considered appointing a black box as manager?

Would be cheap, consistent, anonymous and TS knows how to control it.

Ticks all the boxes. 

 

grumpyaddick said:

Have we considered appointing a black box as manager?

Would be cheap, consistent, anonymous and TS knows how to control it.

Ticks all the boxes. 

 

RonnieMoore said:

DA9 said:

Seems everyone has forgotten how an interview process works, I’ve interviewed before, over 1-2 weeks, I didn’t give it to the first person I liked, I interviewed all the candidates that applied then assessed at the end with an offer, worked down the chain after that if the first choice declined. 

Spot on .. plus if our main target was still involved at his club then you have to wait simple 

DA9 said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

The other thing about interviews is they are generally instigated by an application. It is unusual for somebody to apply then reject.

Happens more than you think, I’ve rejected job offers that I’ve applied for, didn’t feel right when meeting the people face to face, you sometimes get a feeling 

JamesSeed said:

Garrymanilow said:

RoanRedNY said:

Garrymanilow said:

RoanRedNY said:

Garrymanilow said:

RoanRedNY said:

Garrymanilow said:

RoanRedNY said:

it’s a real shame that recently fans can’t seem to just post their concerns about the team, recruitment, TS, MS, which are all valid - without a vociferous minority sweepingly insulting or abusing CL or posters with whom they don’t agree.  We are not entitled, or comparing to previous shit owners, TS “bashers” or stupid, we are simply concerned fans.  TS is the owner, but has said and done some bizarre things which give cause for concern, and done some of those things very strangely.  His son knows SFA about football and an estimation of 10x the average sky viewer is an overestimate by about 10.  Recruitment and some of the back room structure is and continues to be an issue, concerns over management and new player recruitment are equally valid.  Let everyone have their say without sweeping generalizations or insults.  Doesn’t need to be that way just because some don’t agree.  It’s all opinion and conjecture and no-one on this forum has the “I’m always right” stick.

The highlighted irony here is why people do sometimes get annoyed at fans posting their concerns. What do you honestly know about Martin Sandgaard, other than what you've decided you know about him? Unless you know him personally, I suspect very little. So why are you insulting his football knowledge? It's true, he might not even know what shape the ball they use is, but I think it's slightly more likely that you're making a sweeping assumption, barbed with an insult, based on conjecture, which is exactly what you're complaining about other people doing. I think I need a lie down actually, this might have finished me.

Hope you are Okay after your lie down - you need it as your logic must be strangling you.  Your irony in pointing out the irony is well noted.  

Assuming very few of the people on here have worked for a professional football club or played or managed at a professional level, we all still post about players, managers, clubs, training, formation, tactics and share our views/concerns, but apparently someone with absolutely no football connection, no football CV and probably not posting on this forum is not fair game unless I am lifelong mates with him. 

That’s really your point to a post simply asking for a little more tolerance of different views?  Good grief. 

My original post has been deleted and the forum closed for me.  I hate social media, have no twitterverse accounts and this type of response definitely reinforces the view that people are better of without it.

Jesus Christ. Of course we can all post opinions on tactics and players, but typically we have some concept of the things we're looking at. I don't think Albie Morgan is very good for instance, but I base that on what I've seen. Given that Martin Sandgaard is new on the scene I don't see how we can know anything about him (unless you know him, which is why I added that). Yet despite that you've stated that he 'knows SFA about football', and in the same breath complained that people are making assumptions. You can have reservations and concerns about what's going on at the club, I do too, but I just don't see on what basis you've claimed MS doesn't know anything about football, and the fact you've done that while moaning about people making assumptions is incredible to me, that's all. As for whatever you're talking about at the end there I have no idea. Can't help you with that.

As your twisted logic turns into a pretzel, you may have noticed you completely missed the whole point of my original, now deleted post, in your zeal to do exactly what the post suggested would be better if we didn’t - I know right, lots of words.  I was asking for a level of tolerance of which you are clearly incapable.  The real blood pressure riser for you seems to be my throw away on MS not knowing about football.  Whereas  you can disparage a player who has over 100 more professional football appearances than you, I am guessing,  I am also fully entitled to my opinion (right or wrong) without you screaming about nonsense guide rails and imposing subjectivities - like I have to know him personally  to form an opinion - and likewise you are very welcome to your opinions on Morgan or anyone else. 

The difference being I wouldn’t be “Jesus Christing” all over the place about your opinion or introducing rules around how or why you form an opinion.  Tell you what, when MS is employed or headhunted by another professional football league side in any of the top 5 divisions I shall happily admit my assumptions around his football knowledge was wrong. how about that?  I’d also delete my original post if I hadn’t already done so.

Meantime I refer you to the main point of the post, rather than this ludicrous side track, but, to be fully frank, I really don’t give two tuppeny fucks what you think, it’s my opinion and I am Okay with it, thanks

Reply away, it will be ignored.

Thank you, I enjoyed this. It was nonsense entirely, but I enjoyed it. You're talking about tolerance for opinions, which I can assure you everyone on here has, but the point I am making - over and over again sadly - is that you cannot possibly have any basis for your claim that Martin Sandgaard knows 'SFA about football'. It is purest conjecture based on nothing. People can have tolerance for an opinion based on something i.e. x player isn't good or 'I don't think hiring MS is a good idea based on his lack of footballing background' - a perfectly valid thing to think - but your claim that he doesn't know anything about football is completely baseless. Unless of course you've worked with him before and you can base that on something real. It's not a 'nonsense guide rail' to think that you should actually have some knowledge about something before you spaff your opinions all over a message board. I don't want you to admit your assumptions are wrong if he's great at his job, I want you to be happy that we've got a good person involved in signing our players! I wouldn't want you to delete your original post either, I just think you can't just brazenly state something like that about someone's knowledge without knowing a thing about him. You absolute loon.

I don’t think I have ever read such complete bollocks wrapped in strangled logic, but if it makes you happy, you carry on.  What I do know is MS would not hold the job he has based on football knowledge and his CV in any other professional football club.  That’s a fact, and when it isn’t I’ll admit it. Meantime 1 throw away line has you bent double about MS for some reason, and just being a bit of a cock about it.  I don’t agree with you, you’re free not to agree with me but this constant drivel about a throw away line is quite laughable if it wasn’t so silly

 I thought you were meant to be ignoring me

I've heard from a reliable source than in a few months you'll probably stumble upon this argument and think, wtf.

eastterrace6168 said:

Henry Irving said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

The other thing about interviews is they are generally instigated by an application. It is unusual for somebody to apply then reject.

Disagree.

This isn't an openly advertised role with salary range or other T & Cs set out.

So a manager or her agent might express an interest and then so "no" when the wages, length of contract and levels of control etc etc are discovered.

That was subtle Henry...Mmmm

JamesSeed said:

eastterrace6168 said:

Henry Irving said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

The other thing about interviews is they are generally instigated by an application. It is unusual for somebody to apply then reject.

Disagree.

This isn't an openly advertised role with salary range or other T & Cs set out.

So a manager or her agent might express an interest and then so "no" when the wages, length of contract and levels of control etc etc are discovered.

That was subtle Henry...Mmmm

Hook, line and sinker?