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I would have liked Challinor from Stockport as manager but obviously won't happen. Interesting to see how County do in L2 next season.0
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RonnieMoore said:1968CAFC said:I am getting very fed up with our owner.
he does not convince me at all with his ego driven bullshit and promises.
Actions speak louder than words/Bullshit.👎👎
Regardless of how many years of neglect the key part ie assembling a competitive football team is not overly complex if you or those around you know what you are doing and shouldn't take 18 months to sort out.
Wigan did it. Bolton too.
All this "take time to turn around the years of damage" might hold water if it was a complex failing business and having to unwind unknown debts and derivative contracts etc but it's not.
Yes there might be off the field stuff that will take a while to enhance but that is not relevant to how long it should take to assemble a squad to compete in the third tier of English football if you have people who know what they're doing.
It's not complicated as Sandgaard himself said.
This illusion of undoing years of neglect is a complete self perpetuating myth.
We had Cullen, Taylor, beliek, Bauer etc under Duchatelet albeit he was an utter wrong un.
The problem in the main is we've been mismanaged from the top down with awful owners and poor managers and owners that have hindered half decent managers like Powell, Bowyer and (who knows even Jackson).
What neglect and danage is there to sort out beyond getting knowledgeable people in to identify, recruit and mould competitive 3rd division side?32 -
RodneyCharltonTrotta said:RonnieMoore said:1968CAFC said:I am getting very fed up with our owner.
he does not convince me at all with his ego driven bullshit and promises.
Actions speak louder than words/Bullshit.👎👎
Regardless of how many years of neglect the key part ie assembling a competitive football team is not overly complex if you or those around you know what you are doing and shouldn't take 18 months to sort out.
Wigan did it. Bolton too.
All this "take time to turn around the years of damage" might hold water if it was a complex failing business and having to unwind unknown debts and derivative contracts etc but it's not.
Yes there might be off the field stuff that will take a while to enhance but that is not relevant to how long it should take to assemble a squad to compete in the third tier of English football if you have people who know what they're doing.
It's not complicated as Sandgaard himself said.
This illusion of undoing years of neglect is a complete self perpetuating myth.
We had Cullen, Taylor, beliek, Bauer etc under Duchatelet albeit he was an utter wrong un.
The problem in the main is we've been mismanaged from the top down with awful owners and poor managers and owners that have hindered half decent managers like Powell, Bowyer and (who knows even Jackson).
What neglect and danage is there to sort out beyond getting knowledgeable people in to identify, recruit and mould competitive 3rd division side?4 -
1968CAFC said:I am getting very fed up with our owner.
he does not convince me at all with his ego driven bullshit and promises.
Actions speak louder than words/Bullshit.👎👎50 -
RodneyCharltonTrotta said:RonnieMoore said:1968CAFC said:I am getting very fed up with our owner.
he does not convince me at all with his ego driven bullshit and promises.
Actions speak louder than words/Bullshit.👎👎
Regardless of how many years of neglect the key part ie assembling a competitive football team is not overly complex if you or those around you know what you are doing and shouldn't take 18 months to sort out.
Wigan did it. Bolton too.
All this "take time to turn around the years of damage" might hold water if it was a complex failing business and having to unwind unknown debts and derivative contracts etc but it's not.
Yes there might be off the field stuff that will take a while to enhance but that is not relevant to how long it should take to assemble a squad to compete in the third tier of English football if you have people who know what they're doing.
It's not complicated as Sandgaard himself said.
This illusion of undoing years of neglect is a complete self perpetuating myth.
We had Cullen, Taylor, beliek, Bauer etc under Duchatelet albeit he was an utter wrong un.
The problem in the main is we've been mismanaged from the top down with awful owners and poor managers and owners that have hindered half decent managers like Powell, Bowyer and (who knows even Jackson).
What neglect and danage is there to sort out beyond getting knowledgeable people in to identify, recruit and mould competitive 3rd division side?
Illic, Mills, Youds, Bowen, Heaney, Bright, Mendonca (7)
And
Purrington, Cullen, Bielik, Pratley, Taylor, Parker (6)
All joined after the previous season finished. That's over half the teams that started the play off finals.
In pure first team terms 4 transfer windows in we are arguably worse off than when we started.
The women's team, training ground investment, fan engagement is all nice to have but it doesn't really matter if we are stuck in the middle of league 1, does it?8 -
The Red Robin said:agim said:The Red Robin said:Cafc43v3r said:The Red Robin said:Addick Addict said:It's a difficult one for Beale. On the one hand he might well want to be a manager in his own right but, on the other, he is respected as a coach and part of the Gerrard team that might one day be managing Liverpool. He's probably on very good money too and given the average longevity of a manager, the chances are that he would be sacked by us a long time before he and Gerrard part company with each other and/or with Villa.
Take Gerrard’s name away him and he’s won something in a two team league and finished mid-table with Villa. They can do a lot better. Irrelevant anyway as Klopp isn’t going anywhere for a long time.
I think Gerrard will turn out to be a very competent manager.
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Cafc43v3r said:RodneyCharltonTrotta said:RonnieMoore said:1968CAFC said:I am getting very fed up with our owner.
he does not convince me at all with his ego driven bullshit and promises.
Actions speak louder than words/Bullshit.👎👎
Regardless of how many years of neglect the key part ie assembling a competitive football team is not overly complex if you or those around you know what you are doing and shouldn't take 18 months to sort out.
Wigan did it. Bolton too.
All this "take time to turn around the years of damage" might hold water if it was a complex failing business and having to unwind unknown debts and derivative contracts etc but it's not.
Yes there might be off the field stuff that will take a while to enhance but that is not relevant to how long it should take to assemble a squad to compete in the third tier of English football if you have people who know what they're doing.
It's not complicated as Sandgaard himself said.
This illusion of undoing years of neglect is a complete self perpetuating myth.
We had Cullen, Taylor, beliek, Bauer etc under Duchatelet albeit he was an utter wrong un.
The problem in the main is we've been mismanaged from the top down with awful owners and poor managers and owners that have hindered half decent managers like Powell, Bowyer and (who knows even Jackson).
What neglect and danage is there to sort out beyond getting knowledgeable people in to identify, recruit and mould competitive 3rd division side?
Illic, Mills, Youds, Bowen, Heaney, Bright, Mendonca (7)
And
Purrington, Cullen, Bielik, Pratley, Taylor, Parker (6)
All joined after the previous season finished. That's over half the teams that started the play off finals.
In pure first team terms 4 transfer windows in we are arguably worse off than when we started.
The women's team, training ground investment, fan engagement is all nice to have but it doesn't really matter if we are stuck in the middle of league 1, does it?0 -
Todds_right_hook said:Cafc43v3r said:RodneyCharltonTrotta said:RonnieMoore said:1968CAFC said:I am getting very fed up with our owner.
he does not convince me at all with his ego driven bullshit and promises.
Actions speak louder than words/Bullshit.👎👎
Regardless of how many years of neglect the key part ie assembling a competitive football team is not overly complex if you or those around you know what you are doing and shouldn't take 18 months to sort out.
Wigan did it. Bolton too.
All this "take time to turn around the years of damage" might hold water if it was a complex failing business and having to unwind unknown debts and derivative contracts etc but it's not.
Yes there might be off the field stuff that will take a while to enhance but that is not relevant to how long it should take to assemble a squad to compete in the third tier of English football if you have people who know what they're doing.
It's not complicated as Sandgaard himself said.
This illusion of undoing years of neglect is a complete self perpetuating myth.
We had Cullen, Taylor, beliek, Bauer etc under Duchatelet albeit he was an utter wrong un.
The problem in the main is we've been mismanaged from the top down with awful owners and poor managers and owners that have hindered half decent managers like Powell, Bowyer and (who knows even Jackson).
What neglect and danage is there to sort out beyond getting knowledgeable people in to identify, recruit and mould competitive 3rd division side?
Illic, Mills, Youds, Bowen, Heaney, Bright, Mendonca (7)
And
Purrington, Cullen, Bielik, Pratley, Taylor, Parker (6)
All joined after the previous season finished. That's over half the teams that started the play off finals.
In pure first team terms 4 transfer windows in we are arguably worse off than when we started.
The women's team, training ground investment, fan engagement is all nice to have but it doesn't really matter if we are stuck in the middle of league 1, does it?6 -
DubaiCAFC said:paulfox said:There you go, Stuart Pearce steps down as West Ham coach, it’s got to be him!!!!!😬🤣0
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RodneyCharltonTrotta said:RonnieMoore said:1968CAFC said:I am getting very fed up with our owner.
he does not convince me at all with his ego driven bullshit and promises.
Actions speak louder than words/Bullshit.👎👎
Regardless of how many years of neglect the key part ie assembling a competitive football team is not overly complex if you or those around you know what you are doing and shouldn't take 18 months to sort out.
Wigan did it. Bolton too.
All this "take time to turn around the years of damage" might hold water if it was a complex failing business and having to unwind unknown debts and derivative contracts etc but it's not.
Yes there might be off the field stuff that will take a while to enhance but that is not relevant to how long it should take to assemble a squad to compete in the third tier of English football if you have people who know what they're doing.
It's not complicated as Sandgaard himself said.
This illusion of undoing years of neglect is a complete self perpetuating myth.
We had Cullen, Taylor, beliek, Bauer etc under Duchatelet albeit he was an utter wrong un.
The problem in the main is we've been mismanaged from the top down with awful owners and poor managers and owners that have hindered half decent managers like Powell, Bowyer and (who knows even Jackson).
What neglect and danage is there to sort out beyond getting knowledgeable people in to identify, recruit and mould competitive 3rd division side?However I am not sure if we can really say that building a competitive football team is overly complex or not. You mention Wigan and Bolton as successes, but neglect to mention all the many other teams who have not been. If there is a simple easy solution, why is it that so many teams year after year, even those with financial backing, or are well run, have not managed to achieve the goals they wanted?3 - Sponsored links:
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It’s not just the team that needs to recover from its neglect. The fact we have pretty much a skeleton staff in the background doesn’t help the professionalism of the club sometimes and that’s something else it gets lambasted for.
it is being addressed I believe but it’s not an overnight fix8 -
Swisdom said:It’s not just the team that needs to recover from its neglect. The fact we have pretty much a skeleton staff in the background doesn’t help the professionalism of the club sometimes and that’s something else it gets lambasted for.
it is being addressed I believe but it’s not an overnight fix10 -
FishCostaFortune said:RodneyCharltonTrotta said:RonnieMoore said:1968CAFC said:I am getting very fed up with our owner.
he does not convince me at all with his ego driven bullshit and promises.
Actions speak louder than words/Bullshit.👎👎
Regardless of how many years of neglect the key part ie assembling a competitive football team is not overly complex if you or those around you know what you are doing and shouldn't take 18 months to sort out.
Wigan did it. Bolton too.
All this "take time to turn around the years of damage" might hold water if it was a complex failing business and having to unwind unknown debts and derivative contracts etc but it's not.
Yes there might be off the field stuff that will take a while to enhance but that is not relevant to how long it should take to assemble a squad to compete in the third tier of English football if you have people who know what they're doing.
It's not complicated as Sandgaard himself said.
This illusion of undoing years of neglect is a complete self perpetuating myth.
We had Cullen, Taylor, beliek, Bauer etc under Duchatelet albeit he was an utter wrong un.
The problem in the main is we've been mismanaged from the top down with awful owners and poor managers and owners that have hindered half decent managers like Powell, Bowyer and (who knows even Jackson).
What neglect and danage is there to sort out beyond getting knowledgeable people in to identify, recruit and mould competitive 3rd division side?However I am not sure if we can really say that building a competitive football team is overly complex or not. You mention Wigan and Bolton as successes, but neglect to mention all the many other teams who have not been. If there is a simple easy solution, why is it that so many teams year after year, even those with financial backing, or are well run, have not managed to achieve the goals they wanted?
We had a relatively successful campaign under Duchatelet with play off victory and a hugely successful one under Jiminez and Co for the 101 points season despite both ownerships being detrimental for the overall well being of the club.
They did get the football right at points despite the unignorable abundance of negatives.
Ironically whilst TS may be good for the overall well being of the club it is countered considerably if we don't get the fundamental aspect ie men's first team right.
Agree it is not easy but it is about giving yourself the best chance of success.
One key aspect perhaps being having experienced and knowledgeable people in place setting and driving the football strategy. We currently have a significant gap in this respect and therefore making the challenge unnecessarily more difficult.
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1968CAFC said:I am getting very fed up with our owner.
he does not convince me at all with his ego driven bullshit and promises.
Actions speak louder than words/Bullshit.👎👎10 -
The Red Robin said:Swisdom said:It’s not just the team that needs to recover from its neglect. The fact we have pretty much a skeleton staff in the background doesn’t help the professionalism of the club sometimes and that’s something else it gets lambasted for.
it is being addressed I believe but it’s not an overnight fix2 -
The Red Robin said:Swisdom said:It’s not just the team that needs to recover from its neglect. The fact we have pretty much a skeleton staff in the background doesn’t help the professionalism of the club sometimes and that’s something else it gets lambasted for.
it is being addressed I believe but it’s not an overnight fix
Really hoping we can put a good side together so we don’t have to drag the negativity along.9 -
Redrobo said:The Red Robin said:Swisdom said:It’s not just the team that needs to recover from its neglect. The fact we have pretty much a skeleton staff in the background doesn’t help the professionalism of the club sometimes and that’s something else it gets lambasted for.
it is being addressed I believe but it’s not an overnight fix
Really hoping we can put a good side together so we don’t have to drag the negativity along.
But I appreciate others look at broader aspects.3 -
Iir addick1956 said:ricky_otto said:Todds_right_hook said:Cafc43v3r said:RodneyCharltonTrotta said:RonnieMoore said:1968CAFC said:I am getting very fed up with our owner.
he does not convince me at all with his ego driven bullshit and promises.
Actions speak louder than words/Bullshit.👎👎
Regardless of how many years of neglect the key part ie assembling a competitive football team is not overly complex if you or those around you know what you are doing and shouldn't take 18 months to sort out.
Wigan did it. Bolton too.
All this "take time to turn around the years of damage" might hold water if it was a complex failing business and having to unwind unknown debts and derivative contracts etc but it's not.
Yes there might be off the field stuff that will take a while to enhance but that is not relevant to how long it should take to assemble a squad to compete in the third tier of English football if you have people who know what they're doing.
It's not complicated as Sandgaard himself said.
This illusion of undoing years of neglect is a complete self perpetuating myth.
We had Cullen, Taylor, beliek, Bauer etc under Duchatelet albeit he was an utter wrong un.
The problem in the main is we've been mismanaged from the top down with awful owners and poor managers and owners that have hindered half decent managers like Powell, Bowyer and (who knows even Jackson).
What neglect and danage is there to sort out beyond getting knowledgeable people in to identify, recruit and mould competitive 3rd division side?
Illic, Mills, Youds, Bowen, Heaney, Bright, Mendonca (7)
And
Purrington, Cullen, Bielik, Pratley, Taylor, Parker (6)
All joined after the previous season finished. That's over half the teams that started the play off finals.
In pure first team terms 4 transfer windows in we are arguably worse off than when we started.
The women's team, training ground investment, fan engagement is all nice to have but it doesn't really matter if we are stuck in the middle of league 1, does it?
Iirc Mills and Youds did sign in March for the late push.0 -
Redrobo said:The Red Robin said:Swisdom said:It’s not just the team that needs to recover from its neglect. The fact we have pretty much a skeleton staff in the background doesn’t help the professionalism of the club sometimes and that’s something else it gets lambasted for.
it is being addressed I believe but it’s not an overnight fix
Really hoping we can put a good side together so we don’t have to drag the negativity along.
None of the pie in the sky outside revenue has materialised
Reduced ST numbers
Free ticket fiasco
Ridiculous staff turnover across the club
I’m not sure how the job has been remarkable, as someone living abroad I love the much improved CAFCTV, but how many people will actually care about that?16 -
How we need a youngish intelligence Manager/coach to come along with a strategy to compete in League 1 while developing a style of play that can be functional when needs be and flair when possible and build a club.
That can only happen if Thomas Sandgaard allows the new man to have the casting vote on incoming players and backs the guy with support. Also Thomas needs to as well!
The crowd at the ground or on social media need to accept the 5 year plan as it was presented by Thomas when he first took over was bravado and totally unrealistic.
I believe Thomas Sandgaard is a decent man with an ego; I'm not into rock music, (now) but will put up with that malarkey as long as the football side is well run and we see a competitive side who play with an edge.5 - Sponsored links:
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DubaiCAFC said:paulfox said:There you go, Stuart Pearce steps down as West Ham coach, it’s got to be him!!!!!😬🤣2
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Redrobo said:The Red Robin said:Swisdom said:It’s not just the team that needs to recover from its neglect. The fact we have pretty much a skeleton staff in the background doesn’t help the professionalism of the club sometimes and that’s something else it gets lambasted for.
it is being addressed I believe but it’s not an overnight fix
Really hoping we can put a good side together so we don’t have to drag the negativity along.
He will always get huge credit for saving the club. In no way am I comparing him to theses owners but the same was also said of Fryer, Slater/Jimmenz and RD in terms of saving the club5 -
Redrobo said:The Red Robin said:Swisdom said:It’s not just the team that needs to recover from its neglect. The fact we have pretty much a skeleton staff in the background doesn’t help the professionalism of the club sometimes and that’s something else it gets lambasted for.
it is being addressed I believe but it’s not an overnight fix
Really hoping we can put a good side together so we don’t have to drag the negativity along.Fair play to him for buying us and putting his hard earned money in, but really, he’s doing a shit job - we just finished in the bottom half of league one ffs.3 -
Remarkable job
4th manager is 2 years
One of the worse seasons going
Separated from stadium and training ground
No manager
Poor appointments behind scenes ( roddy etc)
Yup remarkable job 👏16 -
FAVADDICK said:Remarkable job
4th manager is 2 years
One of the worse seasons going
Separated from stadium and training ground
No manager
Poor appointments behind scenes ( roddy etc)
Yup remarkable job 👏24 -
FAVADDICK said:Remarkable job
4th manager is 2 years
One of the worse seasons going
Separated from stadium and training ground
No manager
Poor appointments behind scenes ( roddy etc)
Yup remarkable job 👏
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Going well off topic here, the Sandgaard thread would be more apt.
let’s keep this to the potential new manager speculation please34 -
The knives are out for poor old Thomas, I see.
He's a newbie at this game, that's pretty obvious, seemingly confusing running a football club with running a business.
However, one thing really surprises me: when he was in the process of buying the club, doing due dilligence, etc ....... he told us he went to the best financial advisors in London, people who'd been long involved with football club finance and had built a fine reputation doing so.
I can't quite understand why he didn't also do that with the football club side of things?
I know he trusted Ged Roddy - but he needed to talk to other experienced CEOs, chairmen, etc ......maybe he did, but he does seem to have followed his own path regardless.
Often the best starting point is working to the tried and tested, leaning on the experience of staff that know the job inside out, keeping things simple.
Maybe he did but saw too much that needed reorganising?
At this stage, I don't doubt his good intentions.
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If you’re gonna do a bullet point analysis of TS’s performance as owner at least be grown up enough to include “spent 8m of his own money to keep us afloat” as well, let’s not get all agendafied.
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