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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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People do need to listen to what TS says and not what they hope he will do. It has been very clear he wanted a coach rather than a Manager who would play a certain way, this is what he has delivered.
No idea on whether this a good appointment so can't criticise or priase, will simply turn up, watch and support.
Only downside is if he turns out to be a big success having already walked on Swindon very early its likely he would do the same to us, but if that is after promotion to the Championship I would take it.1 -
So frustrating that instead on engaging in what could be an interesting conversation point you just resort to referring to my opinion as deluded.Rob7Lee said:FishCostaFortune said:
Why would the first manager TS interviewed be his first choice, and how do we know he even had a ‘first choice’? Sounds to me like they interviewed, and if the rumours are true, are still interviewing lots of candidates.Rob7Lee said:
Question, he certainly wasn't number one choice as he wasn't the first manager to be spoken to. But whether TS spoke to 3/5/10 or 100 I don't know.Todds_right_hook said:
Is this a question or a statement? Was he 8th choice or numbe 1 target?Rob7Lee said:So was he 8th, 9th or 10th choice..........
What a joke....... sacked Jackson for this........ I really give up. All will have been done on a spreadsheet, just like RD he'll never learn, too pig/big headed.
But the same mistakes are being made time and time again, players bought on stats, now managers.
But despite Swindon being number 1 in almost every stat last season, they weren't top in the one that matters - promotion.......So a manager fail to get one off the best squads in league two out of the division, so we'll give him a go at getting us out of league one with in a relative terms arguably a worse squad...... Swindon only just made the playoffs by a point.
Maybe they went into it with a complete open mind and wanted to hear from as many managers as possible which is why the process is taking as long as it is.
Secondly, and this is complete ignorance on my part due to my lack of knowledge, but what do you know about the Swindon team and it’s players to say they had one of the best squads in the league? From what I read they had 7 players at the beginning of the season, and had been in somewhat of a downward spiral.
If you believe that then IMHO you are deluded. TS much like RD has a very small pool of managers who will work under his 'set up', especially in League one, which he is now finding. Garner wasn't first choice or even 5th, but he may well be one of the few prepared to work under the set up provided by TS and MS.If you are so certain Garner was not even 5th, 6th choice etc, which managers do you think TS would rather have had in front of him?0 -
Was never approached or spoke to was all paper talk and bookies completely wrongcharlton_hero said:Matt Taylor pretty much ruling himself out:8 -
‘He’s good , don’t know how he will do with older players and stronger characters’oohaahmortimer said:Mate knows a Swindon player , I've asked him about the fella , will report back if he gets a reply .
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Good job we don't have any of them then......oohaahmortimer said:
‘He’s good , don’t know how he will do with older players and stronger characters’oohaahmortimer said:Mate knows a Swindon player , I've asked him about the fella , will report back if he gets a reply .20 -
I’m very surprised at the line you are taking here. I presume you have good reasons for it, as it’s quite unsettling. On the face of it, I’m not sure how you could have access to the full recruitment long-list, which is what you imply.Rob7Lee said:
Maybe, maybe not.ValleyGary said:
I love how you state this like it’s undeniable fact. You know as much as anyone else.Rob7Lee said:FishCostaFortune said:
Why would the first manager TS interviewed be his first choice, and how do we know he even had a ‘first choice’? Sounds to me like they interviewed, and if the rumours are true, are still interviewing lots of candidates.Rob7Lee said:
Question, he certainly wasn't number one choice as he wasn't the first manager to be spoken to. But whether TS spoke to 3/5/10 or 100 I don't know.Todds_right_hook said:
Is this a question or a statement? Was he 8th choice or numbe 1 target?Rob7Lee said:So was he 8th, 9th or 10th choice..........
What a joke....... sacked Jackson for this........ I really give up. All will have been done on a spreadsheet, just like RD he'll never learn, too pig/big headed.
But the same mistakes are being made time and time again, players bought on stats, now managers.
But despite Swindon being number 1 in almost every stat last season, they weren't top in the one that matters - promotion.......So a manager fail to get one off the best squads in league two out of the division, so we'll give him a go at getting us out of league one with in a relative terms arguably a worse squad...... Swindon only just made the playoffs by a point.
Maybe they went into it with a complete open mind and wanted to hear from as many managers as possible which is why the process is taking as long as it is.
Secondly, and this is complete ignorance on my part due to my lack of knowledge, but what do you know about the Swindon team and it’s players to say they had one of the best squads in the league? From what I read they had 7 players at the beginning of the season, and had been in somewhat of a downward spiral.
If you believe that then IMHO you are deluded. TS much like RD has a very small pool of managers who will work under his 'set up', especially in League one, which he is now finding. Garner wasn't first choice or even 5th, but he may well be one of the few prepared to work under the set up provided by TS and MS.3 -
Really good read that and gives a bit more of an explanation on the Bristol Rovers situation.Scoham said:3 -
If he is bringing his coaches with him, what has to Jason Euell?0
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Imagine he drops back to the academy or leavesross1 said:If he is bringing his coaches with him, what has to Jason Euell?0 - Sponsored links:
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As a dinosaur I miss wingers, somebody with a trick to buy a yard and then deliver a cross. I also think possession is great as long as you win games, much rather watch Fergie's United of the mid 90s than most modern teams, or even the Newcastle of that era.
Any new manager is a risk and any appointment would have reasons to fear it. Beale has never managed etc. So Swindon started last season poorly? Probably due to bedding in all the new players, if it is him then so be it.0 -
When he was first mentioned, I thought he looked credible as a potential head coach, which is what I assumed TS wanted. If he is appointed, I hope we do well under him. From where we are, he's got a tough job ahead of him though, so he'll need time.2
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Seems to be a few new bods on this thread that I've never seen or heard of before telling us what a great appointment this Garner will be.
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I said why earlier in this thread, yesterday evening.blackpool72 said:
Really why.seth plum said:I am concerned about what happens to Jason Euell.
I have no idea wheather this new manager will be a success or not but being allowed to bring his own coaching staff with him and not having to work with a coach he may not necessary get on with makes sense to me.0 -
TS's number one choice (before he even sacked Jackson) was Beale. Beale will not come to work under this set up despite being very keen on becoming a manager in his own right. Warburton was I believe second choice, again will not work under the set up (but also holding out for another championship job). I don't know for sure that Smith has been spoken to, but my understanding is he was, but again without being a broken record, and especially as he still has many contacts in and around Charlton (not least Jackson) he won't work under TS.FishCostaFortune said:
So frustrating that instead on engaging in what could be an interesting conversation point you just resort to referring to my opinion as deluded.Rob7Lee said:FishCostaFortune said:
Why would the first manager TS interviewed be his first choice, and how do we know he even had a ‘first choice’? Sounds to me like they interviewed, and if the rumours are true, are still interviewing lots of candidates.Rob7Lee said:
Question, he certainly wasn't number one choice as he wasn't the first manager to be spoken to. But whether TS spoke to 3/5/10 or 100 I don't know.Todds_right_hook said:
Is this a question or a statement? Was he 8th choice or numbe 1 target?Rob7Lee said:So was he 8th, 9th or 10th choice..........
What a joke....... sacked Jackson for this........ I really give up. All will have been done on a spreadsheet, just like RD he'll never learn, too pig/big headed.
But the same mistakes are being made time and time again, players bought on stats, now managers.
But despite Swindon being number 1 in almost every stat last season, they weren't top in the one that matters - promotion.......So a manager fail to get one off the best squads in league two out of the division, so we'll give him a go at getting us out of league one with in a relative terms arguably a worse squad...... Swindon only just made the playoffs by a point.
Maybe they went into it with a complete open mind and wanted to hear from as many managers as possible which is why the process is taking as long as it is.
Secondly, and this is complete ignorance on my part due to my lack of knowledge, but what do you know about the Swindon team and it’s players to say they had one of the best squads in the league? From what I read they had 7 players at the beginning of the season, and had been in somewhat of a downward spiral.
If you believe that then IMHO you are deluded. TS much like RD has a very small pool of managers who will work under his 'set up', especially in League one, which he is now finding. Garner wasn't first choice or even 5th, but he may well be one of the few prepared to work under the set up provided by TS and MS.If you are so certain Garner was not even 5th, 6th choice etc, which managers do you think TS would rather have had in front of him?
On Beale - just remember what TS said previously (before Jackson was appointed);
"He has a fantastic track record, especially on the supporting side, of course we talked to Michael. We’ve also been a little more ambitious than that, in terms of the level of managers we’ve been reaching for."
Had Beale been interested post Adkins then 100% TS would have appointed him and not Jackson. No offence to Jackson as I love the bloke and believe he should have been given more time, but he only got the gig mainly because TS couldn't get anyone else.
So we're reaching for higher caliber managers......... yer right, it's a case of make good and do, speak to anyone in and around the first team and you'll understand why we will struggle to attract a 'head coach' of any caliber. I think TS's struggle is he cannot accept a large part of that reason is him and how he is setting up the running of the football side of the club doesn't compute with most managers/coaches.
I'm sure even Jackson had he spent ten years at the Wombles and just been sacked wouldn't have given the CAFC job a second thought. Very few managers worth their salt will.10 -
Having slept on it, my initial reaction last night was OTT.
If appointed, Garner has my full support, as any Charlton manager would
I can't see how this wouldn't be a done deal given how much Cawley has released about the deal to the public, unless Sandgaard has seen the reaction & had 2nd thoughts??
All seems a bit strange7 -
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I'm pretty sure no club has ever said 'Ben Garner is the man we must get' so i highly doubt he was first choice.Todds_right_hook said:
Is this a question or a statement? Was he 8th choice or numbe 1 target?Rob7Lee said:So was he 8th, 9th or 10th choice..........
What a joke....... sacked Jackson for this........ I really give up. All will have been done on a spreadsheet, just like RD he'll never learn, too pig/big headed.
Equally i'd be very surprised if he was low as 8th or 9th.
My best guess is that he's probably around 4th or 5th choice. Warburton probably said no as he will hope to get a championship job, Beale probably wants to stay at Villa a bit longer, Taylor maybe isn't so sure about leaving Exeter, so then we're into a group of whoever else, of which Garner is clearly one.1 -
Yeah....no point in journalism anymore. Just do it all by SM.mendonca said:SLP v LinkedIn DM1 - Sponsored links:
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Hack alert.golfaddick said:Like most others on here I would have preferred a "bigger" name, but when we were linked to him earlier in the week I read his wiki page & thought his pedigree & stats looked good. That was confirmed when I saw this seasons League 2 stats. Most impressive.
He has had years coaching the youngsters & bringing them through to play in the first team. I can see that was attractive to TS as he has said multiple times he want to get our Academy cat 1 status & to use it to bring players into the 1st team instead of spending ££££ on players every season. This was his plan last season but Adkins wasn't fully on board (hence starting the season with no fit left back & no active midfield).
If Garner can reproduce Swindons stats from last season I'll be very pleased.25 -
I think BG is a good appointment. He is well thought of in football circles and has worked miracles at swindon. To clarify the bristol rovers episode, he was tasked with rebuilding the club from bottom up. He sorted a new training ground and was implementing changes to all aspects of running a club with the full support of the owner. He then had to take some time out due to family reasons and was stitched up by someone at rovers who got in the owners ear. He wasn't given the time needed for his changes to bear fruit and was replaced by Tisdale who was a complete nutcase. Barton has benefitted from what BG put in place but would never give him credit.Another positive is the way he turned around a poor first half against port vale into dominating the second half.He also comes across as a really nice bloke.6
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I certainly do not have access to any form of head coach recruitment list, but I am aware of a number of potentials who have been spoken to/sounded out, and I also know why some of them are not interested.PragueAddick said:
I’m very surprised at the line you are taking here. I presume you have good reasons for it, as it’s quite unsettling. On the face of it, I’m not sure how you could have access to the full recruitment long-list, which is what you imply.Rob7Lee said:
Maybe, maybe not.ValleyGary said:
I love how you state this like it’s undeniable fact. You know as much as anyone else.Rob7Lee said:FishCostaFortune said:
Why would the first manager TS interviewed be his first choice, and how do we know he even had a ‘first choice’? Sounds to me like they interviewed, and if the rumours are true, are still interviewing lots of candidates.Rob7Lee said:
Question, he certainly wasn't number one choice as he wasn't the first manager to be spoken to. But whether TS spoke to 3/5/10 or 100 I don't know.Todds_right_hook said:
Is this a question or a statement? Was he 8th choice or numbe 1 target?Rob7Lee said:So was he 8th, 9th or 10th choice..........
What a joke....... sacked Jackson for this........ I really give up. All will have been done on a spreadsheet, just like RD he'll never learn, too pig/big headed.
But the same mistakes are being made time and time again, players bought on stats, now managers.
But despite Swindon being number 1 in almost every stat last season, they weren't top in the one that matters - promotion.......So a manager fail to get one off the best squads in league two out of the division, so we'll give him a go at getting us out of league one with in a relative terms arguably a worse squad...... Swindon only just made the playoffs by a point.
Maybe they went into it with a complete open mind and wanted to hear from as many managers as possible which is why the process is taking as long as it is.
Secondly, and this is complete ignorance on my part due to my lack of knowledge, but what do you know about the Swindon team and it’s players to say they had one of the best squads in the league? From what I read they had 7 players at the beginning of the season, and had been in somewhat of a downward spiral.
If you believe that then IMHO you are deluded. TS much like RD has a very small pool of managers who will work under his 'set up', especially in League one, which he is now finding. Garner wasn't first choice or even 5th, but he may well be one of the few prepared to work under the set up provided by TS and MS.
You have an owner and son wishing to dictate to seasoned professionals the style of play, a much lesser than normally expected input into player recruitment, this really is no different to the infamous email from RD and the diamond formation to Powell and how players were brought in. TS is a just a bit more friendly/cuddly and here (more!)
As I mentioned above, some seem to think Jackson was appointed due to his record as Caretaker, that's simply not the case, TS was unable to persuade anyone to come (that he wanted). Just remember he was appointed as Caretaker on 21st October and it wasn't until almost two months later he was given the permanent gig ............ on a very restrictive contract that TS knew was highly likely to mean he could remove Jackson at the end of the season easily and for minimum cost.12 -
Oh for gods sake I can’t deal with this anymore. Someone pull the emergency stop and let me get off and cry in the fucking corner.RC_CAFC said:
He’d be a very creditable and well respected appointment in football. TS has just appointed a COO and he hasn’t made any of those kinds of comments in nearly a year.ozaddick said:Good luck to him if he's appointment. I'll back the team, can't not.
What's annoyed me though, again, is TS grandstanding comments. Last season's We're going walk the league, that worked well.
Now its one about our ambition of the managers we are trying to appoint, saying we're aiming higher than Beale, who's the hottest property of the english coaching world right now, and he pulls Ben Garner out the bag.
Smacks of the kid at school who's dad, uncles and cousins done everything better than the story you just told, except he's an orphan.
He needs to shut the f up, and just get on with it.
Oh and appoint a CEO who's got a feckin clue how a football club is run.That walking the league has definitely come back to haunt him I’ll give you.
I just don’t get the hatred and vitriol towards him. He’s a decent bloke who’s doing everything the right way. He’s said he really wants to use the academy and have a young energetic team which totally fits how Swindon progressed last season.1 -
Garner cites Lennie Lawrence as a mentor. He wasn’t too bad for us was he?3
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I personally think it is a good appointment. If he can replicate what he did last year with Swindon we are in for a good season. Lets be honest even if Beale, Warburton, Taylor etc have been interviewed there is no evidence to suggest they were interested in taking the job.
We are a bang average mid table team in League 1 so the chances of us attracting the likes of Beale etc were very slim anyway.
Welcome Ben, you have a lot more at your disposal than you had at this stage last season with Swindon so use it well and get us playing some exciting football5 -
433 with two of the 3 in midfield being attack minded by the looks of things, hopefully he’s the manager who can get the most out of Fraser.0
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We need to get out of the league . Being entertained would be ideal , but Chris Powell’s team didn’t exactly play champagne football but they got the job done . That would do me.AndyG said:
I think your both write and wrong mate. Ofcourse promotion is important more so to TS than most of us as it lowers his losses if we get promoted. However entertainment is also very important surely ? I know we are all different but if you asked me would I spend my cash next season watching the same turgid crap we saw last season if it got us promoted then the answer is no definitely not. Ofcourse I would be pleased we got promoted but I would be buying tickets to watch itwmcf123 said:
Clearly TS thinks that being entertained is more important than promotion. I think all of us would disagree .Chris_from_Sidcup said:2
