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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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Kindoncasella said:
who wouldnt have been a big gamble?grumpyaddick said:Loving the faux loyalty and enthusiasm for the new coach no one had never heard of until five minutes ago but suddenly everyone now acknowledges as the next Klopp.
Big and totally unnecessary gamble from our owner if true at a time when he can't afford many more mistakes.
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People working in the game have praised him and his approach. People that have worked with him.A load of internet warriors haven’t heard of him so decide he’s shit because Joey Barton says so.I know who I would listen to45
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it would appear so, and not just football also social mediaShootersHillGuru said:
Probably me but I don’t really get what you’re trying to say. Are you saying that the way Garner has been received on football forums has stopped TS from pushing ahead with the appointment at least for now ?WhenIwasLittleBoy said:We are not interviewing other managers, I don't think he (TS) realised the sort of response he would get by this appointment. He has been lucky when, with Adkins he went on a run, then the players chucked under the bus, as it was the same players who got Jackson the job. He drags his heels with that appointment, and this one had to be the right one and make a statement to back up his hype and where we will be in five years.
IMO and this is only my opinion once again he has failed to do this, and it is clear that MS has been pivotal in all of this with his so called data input.
The backlash is short term as well as long term, the next appointment has to be one that will want fans to buy season tickets, buy merchandise, etc. The new appointment also has to be one that the players want to play under, and the current squad feel that he can improve them as individuals as well as a team.
The long term is that we will once again start the season as we did last year, although as stated by TS they are going to learn from their recruitment last year, new manager half through the season and another year in league one , gates dwindle, we will not be able to attract and afford the players that would get us promotion, so TS has to get it right and not go on his sons stats,1 -
Bit of a bold statement when nobody knows why he was appointed over Taylor or Beale or how he interviewed compared to them.grumpyaddick said:Loving the faux loyalty and enthusiasm for the new coach no one had never heard of until five minutes ago but suddenly everyone now acknowledges as the next Klopp.
Big and totally unnecessary gamble from our owner if true at a time when he can't afford many more mistakes.
he has a better league 2 win rate than Taylor (okay, over less games) and has a similar coaching cv to Beale.
why is it an unnecessary gamble? This is football, aren't all appointments a gamble? Were curbishley, Lawrence, Powell and bowyer all gambles? As was Ferguson at Man U!
I don't know if garner is good or not, time will tell. Just because he was under the radar, is he less of a gamble than Taylor?5 -
Christmas tree or 'Flying V'paulfox said:
Does Edd the duck prefer 3-5-2 or 4-3-3 though?eastterrace6168 said:
Like the idea of Trump, he has some good history on twitter, could mix it up a bit..RodneyCharltonTrotta said:DA9 said:Just been told that TS is definitely over next week with “other shareholders”
Read into that what you will.
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Do we even know if Taylor or Beale were interviewed?Todds_right_hook said:
Bit of a bold statement when nobody knows why he was appointed over Taylor or Beale or how he interviewed compared to them.grumpyaddick said:Loving the faux loyalty and enthusiasm for the new coach no one had never heard of until five minutes ago but suddenly everyone now acknowledges as the next Klopp.
Big and totally unnecessary gamble from our owner if true at a time when he can't afford many more mistakes.
he has a better league 2 win rate than Taylor (okay, over less games) and has a similar coaching cv to Beale.
why is it an unnecessary gamble? This is football, aren't all appointments a gamble? Were curbishley, Lawrence, Powell and bowyer all gambles? As was Ferguson at Man U!
I don't know if garner is good or not, time will tell. Just because he was under the radar, is he less of a gamble than Taylor?0 -
Think @grumpyaddick should answer thisKindoncasella said:
who wouldnt have been a big gamble?grumpyaddick said:Loving the faux loyalty and enthusiasm for the new coach no one had never heard of until five minutes ago but suddenly everyone now acknowledges as the next Klopp.
Big and totally unnecessary gamble from our owner if true at a time when he can't afford many more mistakes.0 -
Swiftly followed by moaners that moan about moaners moaning about other moaners moaning popping up to moan about moaners moaning about moaning moaners.CL_Phantom said:Callumcafc said:We are nearing that time now where it's been almost 24 hours.
We are going to start seeing the same people that were moaning yesterday about being underwhelmed, turn to moaning that it's not been announced yet.
And then around that time we get the moaners that moan at the moaners come out to start having a good moan about the moaners moaning.1 -
Thing is it's about being pragmatic. It's not a Karel Fraeye type appointment.
We have no say in who is manager this time (albeit our vocal support for JJ getting the job did appear to sway that decision). Therefore we can either piss and moan and be defeatist between now and the start of the season or see what unfolds in the coming weeks in the transfer market and what side turns out on 30 July.
There did not seem to be a huge consensus other than jumping on the Beale and Taylor bandwagon (myself included) based on tenuous Charlton links from back when Frank Butcher was still in Eastenders and sentimentality added to Taylor's laudable promotion.
Yes this appointment (if it happens!) is a gamble but so is everyone. Bar a few, many thought Adkins looked a sensible approach on paper and most wanted Jackson and neither worked out under this framework that the owner has put in place. TS is 2 years into the game now and this appointment is very much his man.
If he's (Garner's or whoever comes in) not up to it, if he's not backed in the transfer markets or if he's hindered in doing his job by the framework and parameters in place then that's on Sandgaard.
I'm not very knowledgeable on these things but I don't know who realistically we would appoint who would be a guaranteed success.
We're not currently fishing in the same pool probably as we were 10 - 15 years ago given our basket case history, the strange way the club seems to be set up with the recruitment etc and the fact we're established in this shite league with other bigger clubs with likely bigger budgets so it's not necessarily as an appealing opportunity as we think it is.
Need to get behind the bloke and team whoever comes in and if it turns out to be a pile of shite then there will be ample opportunity to make our views on failure known.
For the record I am not expecting anything but the same as past few windows this next few weeks which in my mind sets us up for a worse season than last whether we have Garner, Guardiola or Ghandi picking the side. But I might be pleasantly surprised and I have no influence over it so might as well wait until the evidence of my concerns come to fruition before getting overly humpy about it.
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He has good qualities as a manager, but he had clearly lost interest at the end. Who can blame him.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:1 - Sponsored links:
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Chris Wilder all over again!WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
it would appear so, and not just football also social mediaShootersHillGuru said:
Probably me but I don’t really get what you’re trying to say. Are you saying that the way Garner has been received on football forums has stopped TS from pushing ahead with the appointment at least for now ?WhenIwasLittleBoy said:We are not interviewing other managers, I don't think he (TS) realised the sort of response he would get by this appointment. He has been lucky when, with Adkins he went on a run, then the players chucked under the bus, as it was the same players who got Jackson the job. He drags his heels with that appointment, and this one had to be the right one and make a statement to back up his hype and where we will be in five years.
IMO and this is only my opinion once again he has failed to do this, and it is clear that MS has been pivotal in all of this with his so called data input.
The backlash is short term as well as long term, the next appointment has to be one that will want fans to buy season tickets, buy merchandise, etc. The new appointment also has to be one that the players want to play under, and the current squad feel that he can improve them as individuals as well as a team.
The long term is that we will once again start the season as we did last year, although as stated by TS they are going to learn from their recruitment last year, new manager half through the season and another year in league one , gates dwindle, we will not be able to attract and afford the players that would get us promotion, so TS has to get it right and not go on his sons stats,1 -
Especially when BG's Swindon beat JB's Bristol R 3-1 on their own pitch only a few months later.Swisdom said:People working in the game have praised him and his approach. People that have worked with him.A load of internet warriors haven’t heard of him so decide he’s shit because Joey Barton says so.I know who I would listen to
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Did you book the 5 minute argument or the full half hour ?DDOUBLEE said:
PRICKcornwalladdick said:
TWATDDOUBLEE said:Another ex-Palace wanker.
F**k off Ben and f**k off Thomas7 -
At the beginning of the play off second leg highlights I noticed that the Port Vale manager was shown as "manager" on the team sheet whereas Ben Garner was shown as "Head Coach".0
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I said earlier in one of these threads that want our next manager to be young, modern, knowledgeable and hungry for success. Ben Garner was not someone on my radar, but everything about him feels like he is in that kind of mould. In accepting where we are and the fact there are other, bigger jobs out there for the bigger "names", he feels like the right kind of appointment for us right now. He'll have a point to prove after what happened at Bristol Rovers, has experience of coaching up the leagues (albeit with Palarse) and led Swindon to the L2 playoffs. On paper, he sounds like an upgrade on JJ - just without the connection to the club.
I tend to ignore the majority of the noise on Twitter. That's all it is. People with a chip on their shoulder about TS and living on past glories. We are a dead average L1 side right now, and it'll need a decent manager and signings to ever have a chance of the lofty (and arguably unrealistic) promotion goals TS had right now. BG sounds like the right kind of manager for us now, as we are, because I think the Beales and Warburtons of this world have better options for more money and greater prospects.
I could see it going both ways for him, if we sign him. First 10 games are crucial - any losses at home will mean the crowd will immediately be on his back. Lots of pressure generally for him or anyone else coming in. If we're in and around it going into Oct/Nov, hopefully we'd have a shot of going up. Very, very dependent on who we bring in, but I think a change in system would be good. I'd be interested to see if he could leverage his contacts for better loanees.
I'd be happy to see him get the nod.9 -
Might not happen anyway. My understanding is that Scarfy is deeply unhappy about the new performance related contract he's been offered. (He must be seen in photographs of a minimum of 6 successful appointments.) In addition he and the club are miles apart on payments for his image rights.eaststandmike said:
Only we can fuck up the announcement of a new manager, if it is BG imagine what a let down the news and video will be when its made official.randy andy said:
Fair enough, and all interesting stuff.DA9 said:
Someone in the club told me, wouldn’t elaborate further, also said that genuinely doesn’t know who has the job or if anyones been offered it, but I would expect them to say that regardless tbhrandy andy said:
If the "other shareholders" part is true, it leads to two possible conclusions:DA9 said:Just been told that TS is definitely over next week with “other shareholders”
Read into that what you will.
1) TS is unwilling to bankroll our current losses on his own, i.e. it's more expensive than he thought it would be to compete
2) TS is bringing in extra investment to get us where he wants us to be, for the same reason as above
To a certain extent both could be considered "a good thing"(tm). If there's extra investors then it will dilute Tommy's control over the club and hopefully lead to a more structured decision making process, and probably a CEO being put in place who would represent all investors interests. And of course extra money (if it is option 2) is always nice to have at any level.
The hope from our point of view has to be that TS has realised that the squad simply isn't good enough and needs a major overhaul rather than the cheaper incremental improvements he was hoping for. My additional hope would be that he realised that he can't get the losses down whilst he doesn't own the ground, doesn't own Sparrows Lane and isn't a Cat 1 academy, and that additional investment is the only way to achieve those aims in a timely fashion.
Or maybe he's just got a rich mate who's a drummer and has convinced him to invest on the basis that they can perform together at the valley whenever they like and 10,000+ people have to watch them
If TS is over next week then you'd expect an official announcement either not long before he arrives, or just after. He's going to want to be in videos/photos with the new manager either at announcement or very shortly afterwards,
Certain people on here will be tearing the walls down in a week if BG has not signed 6 players, never mind been photographed with scarfy.3 -
I think we are probably only still interviewing as our top choices, I.e. Beale etc have said "thanks, but no thanks", and that the Garner story has been leaked to the press on purpose to see what kind of response it would get. Can't see him being our next manager1
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The thing that’s interesting me most now is the comment by DA9 that Sandgaard is coming over with “other investors” Am I missing something because I thought TS was the sole owner ?11
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I’m glad someone else brought that up as I thought the same 🤔ShootersHillGuru said:The thing that’s interesting me most now is the comment by DA9 that Sandgaard is coming over with “other investors” Am I missing something because I thought TS was the sole owner ?1 -
I think it's more to do with people presumably thinking Sandgaard took little advice again and acted on his own instinct, which is revealing itself to be pretty poor.Todds_right_hook said:
Bit of a bold statement when nobody knows why he was appointed over Taylor or Beale or how he interviewed compared to them.grumpyaddick said:Loving the faux loyalty and enthusiasm for the new coach no one had never heard of until five minutes ago but suddenly everyone now acknowledges as the next Klopp.
Big and totally unnecessary gamble from our owner if true at a time when he can't afford many more mistakes.
he has a better league 2 win rate than Taylor (okay, over less games) and has a similar coaching cv to Beale.
why is it an unnecessary gamble? This is football, aren't all appointments a gamble? Were curbishley, Lawrence, Powell and bowyer all gambles? As was Ferguson at Man U!
I don't know if garner is good or not, time will tell. Just because he was under the radar, is he less of a gamble than Taylor?
He really didn't help himself with his delusions of premier League and European football as his first utterings when he walked through the door.
People tend to remember those sort of things, and when you're scratching around looking for managers and you come up with a non descript fella who did ok in league 2 it makes those statement evermore baffling.3 - Sponsored links:
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Other shareholders but yes interestingShootersHillGuru said:The thing that’s interesting me most now is the comment by DA9 that Sandgaard is coming over with “other investors” Am I missing something because I thought TS was the sole owner ?2 -
Nobody knows who will be successful.
I wasn't one of the Adkins supporters when he was appointed, but can hardly get too smug about it considering that my preferences around the time when Bowyer started losing the plot were Paul Cook who flopped at Ipswich and the Cowleys who've been average at Pompey.1 -
Is this new investors or people in the background we didn’t know existed?0
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I asked him straight away about this and he said no other shareholders and has no intention of bringing any on board.ShootersHillGuru said:The thing that’s interesting me most now is the comment by DA9 that Sandgaard is coming over with “other investors” Am I missing something because I thought TS was the sole owner ?1 -
Are shareholders and investors the same?, if not DA9 said shareholders. Is this less exciting news than if it were investors?.0
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paulfox said:Are shareholders and investors the same?, if not DA9 said shareholders. Is this less exciting news than if it were investors?.
It's a private company and the investors could be loaning money at an interest rate of return rather than purchasing shares and receiving dividends/ seeking long term capital growth returns.
But investors could also be shareholders of course.2 -
I was told other shareholders, club employees very own words, not mine.paulfox said:Are shareholders and investors the same?, if not DA9 said shareholders. Is this less exciting news than if it were investors?.
My response was that it implies to me something interesting/announcement was going to happen, could be new manager, could be new kit deal launched etc, I got a no comment/don’t know.
What they did say was that TS was aware of mistakes, specifically Fill The Valley, great idea, wrongly executed, and there is other recruitment going on behind the scenes in other areas to improve things.7 -
I'm sure somebody would've picked up new shareholders on Companies House.3
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Are Mrs Sandgaard and Martin shareholders?0
