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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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Pretty much I reckon but I doubt Cawley would put it out there without some info from Charlton as well.Callumcafc said:My reckoning, given the slightly unclear picture, is that this story broke from the Swindon end, via contacts that Cawley may have in that area.
Hasn’t it been rumoured before that since the regime change, Cawley’s club insider is no longer so reliable / left the club altogether?
All leads me to thinking this is Swindon saying “if you’re gonna do it, do it… pay up the compo and stop messing about so we can bring in a replacement”.
Far off or no? What do we think?
edit: I also think Sandgaard will want to control the announcement and that’s why he’s denying it.0 -
No, Cawley is saying the deal between Charlton and Swindon is done, I can't believe he wouldn't fact check that and just take someones word for it.Callumcafc said:My reckoning, given the slightly unclear picture, is that this story broke from the Swindon end, via contacts that Cawley may have in that area.
Hasn’t it been rumoured before that since the regime change, Cawley’s club insider is no longer so reliable / left the club altogether?
All leads me to thinking this is Swindon saying “if you’re gonna do it, do it… pay up the compo and stop messing about so we can bring in a replacement”.
Far off or no? What do we think?
He would have pulled out the Garner is strongly link or some journalists bullshit. He is convinced its done, else he wouldn't double down on it.8 -
MuttleyCAFC said:
How did he get to a nice clean number like 10? And how is it measured?Jac_52 said:
Oh dear. I'll classify that as very borderline worrying. He may be right and our training under previous managers has been lacking, but I agree statements like that aren't encouraging and hopefully are based on some sort of data compared to other clubs rather than him just deciding to say something like that. How he is qualified to know this I concede is a bit of a red flag and let's hope it stops there...LouisMend said:
Not sure if this is covered by what you say but on our POTY podcast he told me that he has set a target for “10% more intensity” in trainingJac_52 said:MuttleyCAFC said:I haven't got an issue with the owner suggesting the style of football he wants to see us play and promising to back the manager in getting the players needed to achieve it. It becomes more worrying when it gets like Roland explaining football tactics to a manager who is an ex England international. If Sandgaard thinks he has discovered the secret of success in terms of a playing style it is worrying in the extreme. There are many different paths but his backing is needed. With limited resources the approach has to always be a pragmatic one based on what you have and how your best players play.
The problem is, I don't know which of these is correct and I doubt many of us do. There are lingering doubts about Sandgaard based on genuine clues. I would say not yet definitive but that in itself is worrying. And we should be open to this possibility.
I agree with this. The turning point for me would be if Sandgaard is issuing Roland-esque emails or trying to dictate how training sessions should go.
Currently I have no reason to think that this is the case and if anyone knows differently then they should be making it public very very quickly. Until then we have to accept that there is nothing wrong with an owner wanting a certain type of football and finding the staff to implement it.
“There are better facilities now at the training ground. We already have our medical and sports science team and I’m demanding next season that our training has to have a minimum of 10 per cent more intensity“
90.9% * 1.1 = 100% et voila. Or something.
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Not saying we don't have gaps or issues. The list isn't necessarily up to date or a complete list. Hasn't TS invested in the department, I thought he spent money on new equipment at least?RedRobin said:
Adam, Josh, Ben and Steve have all been with the club for years, all have progressed whether that’s because they were ready or were cheap options, I’m guessing the latter. Not knocking them, all good guys that love the club, we have gaps in that department and will continue to struggle with injury problems with no investment.Scoham said:
Here's what the OS says we have on the medical/fitness side:RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Cafc43v3r said:
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that. It's completely unmessurable unless he wants them to do 110 meter sprints instead of 100 meter ones.LouisMend said:
Not sure if this is covered by what you say but on our POTY podcast he told me that he has set a target for “10% more intensity” in trainingJac_52 said:MuttleyCAFC said:I haven't got an issue with the owner suggesting the style of football he wants to see us play and promising to back the manager in getting the players needed to achieve it. It becomes more worrying when it gets like Roland explaining football tactics to a manager who is an ex England international. If Sandgaard thinks he has discovered the secret of success in terms of a playing style it is worrying in the extreme. There are many different paths but his backing is needed. With limited resources the approach has to always be a pragmatic one based on what you have and how your best players play.
The problem is, I don't know which of these is correct and I doubt many of us do. There are lingering doubts about Sandgaard based on genuine clues. I would say not yet definitive but that in itself is worrying. And we should be open to this possibility.
I agree with this. The turning point for me would be if Sandgaard is issuing Roland-esque emails or trying to dictate how training sessions should go.
Currently I have no reason to think that this is the case and if anyone knows differently then they should be making it public very very quickly. Until then we have to accept that there is nothing wrong with an owner wanting a certain type of football and finding the staff to implement it.
“There are better facilities now at the training ground. We already have our medical and sports science team and I’m demanding next season that our training has to have a minimum of 10 per cent more intensity so we train at a minimum level we see in the Championship. It’s all around we’re improving.“
We still don't have a fitness and conditioning coach do we?
Seriously? How long has that been the case? Can't get my head round why a professional football club would not have such an integral role in place.
https://www.cafc.co.uk/team/coaching-staffMen's First Team Head Physiotherapist: Adam Coe
Head of Physical Performance: Josh Hornby
Men's First-Team Sports Scientist: Ben Talbot
Men's First-Team Assistant Therapist: Steve Jackson
Club Doctor: Toby Longwill
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Fair response.Cafc43v3r said:
No, Cawley is saying the deal between Charlton and Swindon is done, I can't believe he wouldn't fact check that and just take someones word for it.Callumcafc said:My reckoning, given the slightly unclear picture, is that this story broke from the Swindon end, via contacts that Cawley may have in that area.
Hasn’t it been rumoured before that since the regime change, Cawley’s club insider is no longer so reliable / left the club altogether?
All leads me to thinking this is Swindon saying “if you’re gonna do it, do it… pay up the compo and stop messing about so we can bring in a replacement”.
Far off or no? What do we think?
He would have pulled out the Garner is strongly link or some journalists bullshit. He is convinced its done, else he wouldn't double down on it.
Makes the supposed TS LinkedIn conversation all the more puzzling.1 -
Perhaps both are true and he was/is continuing to interview (even if it was just one candidate) while negotiating with Swindon and Garner? It's not done until it's 100% done.Callumcafc said:
Fair response.Cafc43v3r said:
No, Cawley is saying the deal between Charlton and Swindon is done, I can't believe he wouldn't fact check that and just take someones word for it.Callumcafc said:My reckoning, given the slightly unclear picture, is that this story broke from the Swindon end, via contacts that Cawley may have in that area.
Hasn’t it been rumoured before that since the regime change, Cawley’s club insider is no longer so reliable / left the club altogether?
All leads me to thinking this is Swindon saying “if you’re gonna do it, do it… pay up the compo and stop messing about so we can bring in a replacement”.
Far off or no? What do we think?
He would have pulled out the Garner is strongly link or some journalists bullshit. He is convinced its done, else he wouldn't double down on it.
Makes the supposed TS LinkedIn conversation all the more puzzling.3 -
Latest updates from Cawley pretty much 24 hours on from when he broke the news.
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I have seen some messages from Thomas in the last 12 hours that say they are still interviewing and have no idea where the story has come from.Callumcafc said:
Fair response.Cafc43v3r said:
No, Cawley is saying the deal between Charlton and Swindon is done, I can't believe he wouldn't fact check that and just take someones word for it.Callumcafc said:My reckoning, given the slightly unclear picture, is that this story broke from the Swindon end, via contacts that Cawley may have in that area.
Hasn’t it been rumoured before that since the regime change, Cawley’s club insider is no longer so reliable / left the club altogether?
All leads me to thinking this is Swindon saying “if you’re gonna do it, do it… pay up the compo and stop messing about so we can bring in a replacement”.
Far off or no? What do we think?
He would have pulled out the Garner is strongly link or some journalists bullshit. He is convinced its done, else he wouldn't double down on it.
Makes the supposed TS LinkedIn conversation all the more puzzling.
Puzzling isn't the word.0 -
Why does everything have to be a circus.32
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The conversation wasn't supposed. It happened.Callumcafc said:
Fair response.Cafc43v3r said:
No, Cawley is saying the deal between Charlton and Swindon is done, I can't believe he wouldn't fact check that and just take someones word for it.Callumcafc said:My reckoning, given the slightly unclear picture, is that this story broke from the Swindon end, via contacts that Cawley may have in that area.
Hasn’t it been rumoured before that since the regime change, Cawley’s club insider is no longer so reliable / left the club altogether?
All leads me to thinking this is Swindon saying “if you’re gonna do it, do it… pay up the compo and stop messing about so we can bring in a replacement”.
Far off or no? What do we think?
He would have pulled out the Garner is strongly link or some journalists bullshit. He is convinced its done, else he wouldn't double down on it.
Makes the supposed TS LinkedIn conversation all the more puzzling.3 - Sponsored links:
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This.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Why does everything have to be a circus.1 -
Sorry didn’t mean to come across disingenuous, they may have progressed on merit but with the budget we had in place in the past and perhaps now, they have essentially been stretched covering the gaps and the club has decided to use the staff they had in place already and promote within and not bring in experience to adequately replace Erol, Laurence Bloom, Joe or Jared, two of which have many years of experience. People have since come and gone with no improvement. That’s my point.Dazzler21 said:
Assuming it's simply because they're cheap that they're still here and then saying you're not knocking them is disingenuous.RedRobin said:
Adam, Josh, Ben and Steve have all been with the club for years, all have progressed whether that’s because they were ready or were cheap options, I’m guessing the latter. Not knocking them, all good guys that love the club, we have gaps in that department and will continue to struggle with injury problems with no investment.Scoham said:
Here's what the OS says we have on the medical/fitness side:RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Cafc43v3r said:
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that. It's completely unmessurable unless he wants them to do 110 meter sprints instead of 100 meter ones.LouisMend said:
Not sure if this is covered by what you say but on our POTY podcast he told me that he has set a target for “10% more intensity” in trainingJac_52 said:MuttleyCAFC said:I haven't got an issue with the owner suggesting the style of football he wants to see us play and promising to back the manager in getting the players needed to achieve it. It becomes more worrying when it gets like Roland explaining football tactics to a manager who is an ex England international. If Sandgaard thinks he has discovered the secret of success in terms of a playing style it is worrying in the extreme. There are many different paths but his backing is needed. With limited resources the approach has to always be a pragmatic one based on what you have and how your best players play.
The problem is, I don't know which of these is correct and I doubt many of us do. There are lingering doubts about Sandgaard based on genuine clues. I would say not yet definitive but that in itself is worrying. And we should be open to this possibility.
I agree with this. The turning point for me would be if Sandgaard is issuing Roland-esque emails or trying to dictate how training sessions should go.
Currently I have no reason to think that this is the case and if anyone knows differently then they should be making it public very very quickly. Until then we have to accept that there is nothing wrong with an owner wanting a certain type of football and finding the staff to implement it.
“There are better facilities now at the training ground. We already have our medical and sports science team and I’m demanding next season that our training has to have a minimum of 10 per cent more intensity so we train at a minimum level we see in the Championship. It’s all around we’re improving.“
We still don't have a fitness and conditioning coach do we?
Seriously? How long has that been the case? Can't get my head round why a professional football club would not have such an integral role in place.
https://www.cafc.co.uk/team/coaching-staffMen's First Team Head Physiotherapist: Adam Coe
Head of Physical Performance: Josh Hornby
Men's First-Team Sports Scientist: Ben Talbot
Men's First-Team Assistant Therapist: Steve Jackson
Club Doctor: Toby Longwill
My assumption would be that they have continued to develop their abilities and broaden their skill sets. Maybe they're qualified to the point they need to be for us right now.1 -
Cafc43v3r said:
I have seen some messages from Thomas in the last 12 hours that say they are still interviewing and have no idea where the story has come from.Callumcafc said:
Fair response.Cafc43v3r said:
No, Cawley is saying the deal between Charlton and Swindon is done, I can't believe he wouldn't fact check that and just take someones word for it.Callumcafc said:My reckoning, given the slightly unclear picture, is that this story broke from the Swindon end, via contacts that Cawley may have in that area.
Hasn’t it been rumoured before that since the regime change, Cawley’s club insider is no longer so reliable / left the club altogether?
All leads me to thinking this is Swindon saying “if you’re gonna do it, do it… pay up the compo and stop messing about so we can bring in a replacement”.
Far off or no? What do we think?
He would have pulled out the Garner is strongly link or some journalists bullshit. He is convinced its done, else he wouldn't double down on it.
Makes the supposed TS LinkedIn conversation all the more puzzling.
Puzzling isn't the word.
That convo is also in the above twitter reply.0 -
I’d say an interview with TS is painful unless you have a guitar
#searches for David Brent gif#1 -
But that's not what @Redrobo said Thomas said in messages he hadn't seen. Nothing to see here. All perfectly normal state of affairs.Scoham said:Latest updates from Cawley pretty much 24 hours on from when he broke the news.
It's a farce, 24 hours ago I was convinced we had done something at least sensible, if not perfect.
Every time, every single time I think he can't be stupid enough to do that surely, he fucking does it!1 -
Exhausting isn’t itRodneyCharltonTrotta said:Why does everything have to be a circus.5 -
Ok. This is what’s happened. Charlton and Garner are agreed. We want him and he wants to come. Swindon won’t stand in his way but want adequate compo. That’s what’s being discussed now and there’s a bit of an impasse. Until Swindon agree to him leaving he’s their employee. We won’t meet their current demands so the search goes on for us in case we can’t agree terms. It’s so very simple.14
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So why is Thomas saying its not true and he doesn't know where it has come from? He doesn't need to say anything at all, to anyone.ShootersHillGuru said:Ok. This is what’s happened. Charlton and Garner are agreed. We want him and he wants to come. Swindon won’t stand in his way but want adequate compo. That’s what’s being discussed now and there’s a bit of an impasse. Until Swindon agree to him leaving he’s their employee. We won’t meet their current demands so the search goes on for us in case we can’t agree terms. It’s so very simple.1 -
Like a dull Channel 5 soap opera mate.se9addick said:
Exhausting isn’t itRodneyCharltonTrotta said:Why does everything have to be a circus.3 -
ShootersHillGuru said:Ok. This is what’s happened. Charlton and Garner are agreed. We want him and he wants to come. Swindon won’t stand in his way but want adequate compo. That’s what’s being discussed now and there’s a bit of an impasse. Until Swindon agree to him leaving he’s their employee. We won’t meet their current demands so the search goes on for us in case we can’t agree terms. It’s so very simple.
Seems plausible but odd that the highly credible Cawley would go all in stating it's done and dusted if compo hadn't been agreed.
I wonder if something bigger is afoot and he's selling up/ handing over to new owners. All seems very weird.1 - Sponsored links:
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I trust Rich Cawley more than I trust Thomas if I'm being honest39
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Cafc43v3r said:
So why is Thomas saying its not true and he doesn't know where it has come from? He doesn't need to say anything at all, to anyone.ShootersHillGuru said:Ok. This is what’s happened. Charlton and Garner are agreed. We want him and he wants to come. Swindon won’t stand in his way but want adequate compo. That’s what’s being discussed now and there’s a bit of an impasse. Until Swindon agree to him leaving he’s their employee. We won’t meet their current demands so the search goes on for us in case we can’t agree terms. It’s so very simple.
Maybe - Cawley is getting his story from the Garner camp. BG thought it was all tied up because he’d agreed terms and thought the compensation aspect was a formality. TS knows that he won’t pay the compo being asked and so is saying nothing has been agreed and BG is done and dusted is not true, which it currently isn’t. On that basis even if we’re still negotiating with Swindon we would have to keep interviewing. Simples.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:ShootersHillGuru said:Ok. This is what’s happened. Charlton and Garner are agreed. We want him and he wants to come. Swindon won’t stand in his way but want adequate compo. That’s what’s being discussed now and there’s a bit of an impasse. Until Swindon agree to him leaving he’s their employee. We won’t meet their current demands so the search goes on for us in case we can’t agree terms. It’s so very simple.
Seems plausible but odd that the highly credible Cawley would go all in stating it's done and dusted if compo hadn't been agreed.
I wonder if something bigger is afoot and he's selling up/ handing over to new owners. All seems very weird.0 -
Not according to Cawley last night.ShootersHillGuru said:Ok. This is what’s happened. Charlton and Garner are agreed. We want him and he wants to come. Swindon won’t stand in his way but want adequate compo. That’s what’s being discussed now and there’s a bit of an impasse. Until Swindon agree to him leaving he’s their employee. We won’t meet their current demands so the search goes on for us in case we can’t agree terms. It’s so very simple.
Wouldn't be surprised if it's announced tomorrow or Monday and it was just a case of Garner formally resigning from Swindon, paperwork being sorted including for the assistant managers etc.
Then again it wouldn't surprise me if TS wanted to see the reaction on social media before making an appointment.
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Maybe people in the middle of delicate negotiations don't tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Maybe TS is learning to be more circumspect (we can but hope).
Maybe it's just a normal deal that is being haggled over, final details sorted out but maybe there is no crises, no circus, no conspiracy.
Maybe it will be done.
Maybe it won't.
Maybe we all go to bed, have a good night's sleep and wait until it's on the OS.
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RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Like a dull Channel 5 soap opera mate.se9addick said:
Exhausting isn’t itRodneyCharltonTrotta said:Why does everything have to be a circus.Not quite a Friday night erotic thriller.1
