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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)

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  • Cafc43v3r said:
    The reason that Dowie was doomed before he started........
    Agreed. He also wasn’t allowed to bring any coaching staff with him. Mark Robson and Mark Kinsella forced on him wasn’t it?
  • edited May 2022
    Bizarre as it may seem, I actually agree with most of this!!🤣 however Stanley wouldn’t have been able to rely on Google back then!!, so maybe it was an easier job.all joking apart the human ability to make good decisions aswell as bad shouldn’t be underestimated, maybe the reliance on computers can be a hindrance .🤷🏻‍♂️🙄
  • shirty5 said:
    And now confirmed by the man on twitter that it was from AM.

    Daniel Sturridge got banned by the FA back in 2019 as per below 

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49031533
    Bloke who has likely made something up confirms it's not made up.  That's me convinced.
  • Or he might simply have been there learning and seeing more of what goes on at professional football club on a day to day basis.
    Getting a flavour of what goes on at the training ground the vibe, dressing room banter maybe, just the feel of the place.
    If I was in his position I would most certainly want to know more about everything that goes on at the club (within reason), including attending some training sessions and the day to day running of Sparrows Lane.
    Just another way of looking at it, which excludes any conspiracy theories.
    He has every right to be there as long as he doesn’t interfere, which I can only assume he hasn’t. 
    The entire point and discussion is that that’s exactly what he tried to do. 
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  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Why does Thomas keep saying he is?  
    Well…..I have only seen/heard him described as head of player recruitment analytics, which is a very different thing.
    Do you know better?

  • Well…..I have only seen/heard him described as head of player recruitment analytics, which is a very different thing.
    Do you know better?

    Sandgaard has pretty much said so, yes. He's the head of the analytics, then does the scouting with Steve Gallen (who is the primary negotiator). If Martin isn't in charge of the recruitment, who is? 
  • I think you've changed your argument here though. I don't think anybody would have an issue with Martin working around the place and "learning the business". But you've questioned others claiming he doesn't have the expertise for the role he is undertaking, but he doesn't does he. For what it's worth, I don't think that doesn't mean he won't do a good job, just that he's not qualified for it. I think this is another example of double standards, Roland would be crucified for putting his son in a position like this. Martin isn't just doing a little bit of analyst work is he, he's got a huge role to play in all our recruitment. 
    You are right, Roland would have got a lot of shit for the same thing. But there are huge differences between Sandgaard and Roland that mean they shouldn't be treated the same.

    When you look at what Charlton means to them, they are completely different animals. Sandgaard actually cares about charlton, both in terms of it being his passion and how much of his wealth he's tied up in it.
    To Roland we were just another network link, which he couldn't be bothered to watch and financially it was pocket money to him.

    Intention is key when you judge anyone's actions.
  • Ah, yeah, but…they say people learn by their mistakes.

  • Sandgaard has pretty much said so, yes. He's the head of the analytics, then does the scouting with Steve Gallen (who is the primary negotiator). If Martin isn't in charge of the recruitment, who is? 
    Steve Gallen 
  • Steve Gallen 
    So why hasn't Sandgaard ever said that then? 
  • edited May 2022
    The entire point and discussion is that that’s exactly what he tried to do. 
    Did he ask questions or did he try to influence forcibly or just in passing. We all know there are so many ways of a conversation being processed, through tone of voice or brevity. Once the conversation is then passed on word for word to a third party but with an entirely different vocal inflection it can have varying interpretation.
    I realise I’m being a bit anal here but it’s quite possibly the case that some comment’s have been taken too literally.
    A touch of Chinees whispers perhaps?

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  • edited May 2022
    Martin Sandgaard just isn't qualified to work for Charlton Athletic and I am baffled that anybody would think he is. 

    For what it's worth a mate of mine works for the club and says Martin is actually a really nice guy but gives the vibe of a kid on work experience and is way out of his depth. 
    We’ve all got to start somewhere , part of the 5 year plan I guess, if he makes things better then I really don’t care, this club has been run into the ground for years and is going to take ages to put processes and building blocks in place, Charlton Athletic is not a quick fix problem unfortunately.
  • Its a very weird obsession about what MS does or doesnt do. Honestly, it really is.
    Especially on a next manager thread
  • Well…..I have only seen/heard him described as head of player recruitment analytics, which is a very different thing.
    Do you know better?

    There are dozens of interviews with Thomas saying different.  Even one where he talks about Martin getting in the car and going out scouting players.

    I have no idea what Martin actually does do but I know what Thomas says, in public, that he does.  He says different to what your suggesting.
  • You are right, Roland would have got a lot of shit for the same thing. But there are huge differences between Sandgaard and Roland that mean they shouldn't be treated the same.

    When you look at what Charlton means to them, they are completely different animals. Sandgaard actually cares about charlton, both in terms of it being his passion and how much of his wealth he's tied up in it.
    To Roland we were just another network link, which he couldn't be bothered to watch and financially it was pocket money to him.

    Intention is key when you judge anyone's actions.
    Agreed, he does obviously care and there's no doubt he wants to be successful. But I'm sorry, you can make mistakes or bad decisions even with good intentions. Ultimately, Sandgaard will be measured on the clubs success, not on whether he cared or not. 
  • why is it? I don't mean to be rude but I think that's nonsense. I think it would be unfair to personally attack him, call him useless etc, but I don't think anyone is doing that. But I don't see why we shouldn't debate his role at the club. The fact it he wouldn't get this role at any other club, he's got it because his dad is the owner. We've now got someone very inexperienced and unqualified in a position which massively contributes to how we do on the pitch this season. We all want the best for the club and we all want promotion, debating whether Martin is right to lead on this isn't unfair IMO. 
    But its the same debate isnt it? TS said this but MS Linkedin says this...I agree that it is a risk but at the same time some people seem so very sure that it will fail regardless. 

    We just need someone to dig out I think.

  • As the anti-climax fast approaches,  long suffering Addicks grasp desperately at straws of hope while knowing instinctively that more heartbreak is in store as manager/coach/black box operator number four of the Sandgaard rock & roll era enters the building with zero evidence to suggest that he will offer any improvement on the previous three. 
  • So, news on new manager?

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