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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)

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  • For added context, and, because "hUr DuR wHy YOu hAtE MaRTiN tHoUGh" (because apparently that's the reason) a look at the job skills requirement for an U23 performance analyst at Man city (yes I know city are at the elite end of the footballing spectrum







    And a job description for a recruitment analyst at spurs:

    https://www.hub-soccer.com/2020/09/07/recruitment-analyst-tottenham-hotspur/



    Good to confirm that absolutely anyone with half a brain could do these jobs with minimal training.
  • Jac_52 said:

    Good to confirm that absolutely anyone with half a brain could do these jobs with minimal training.
    Off you go then 
  • 200 or so new posts…any word on Garner or a new manager? 
  • So, news on new manager?

    Same state of play as yesterday: 
    It like rolling 24 hour news, lots of repeats but suddenly you get breaking news.

    Of course Martin Sandgaard shouldn't be the story on this thread and also not on the transfer thread but he is. 
  • I thought this topic was done to death a few months ago. TS stated somewhere that MS identified the players, SG negotiated the transfer fee and contracts and TS signed it off
  • Uboat said:
    I can’t speak for others, but I have no need to dig anyone out and I don’t have an ‘agenda’. I’m just a bit concerned that someone with no experience and unknown aptitude might be playing a significant role at Charlton based on the fact that his dad is the owner. 
    I get the concerns but its the constant going round in circles with the same information. No one on here knows what contribution he will have. It could work and it may not but not sure why it needs to be constantly delved into. 
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  • edited May 2022
    Didn't he just say the reports of it being a done deal are incorrect? Saying you are still interviewing is perfectly normal practice until a contract has been signed. I say it myself in the same circumstance because you need to hedge your bets until everything is completed.

    Not aiming this at you, but I really wish people would stop looking for conspiracies at every juncture. Some people on this site are really toxic to the club. They revel in it.
    I am gonna say this one more time, and genuinely it’s actually quite frustrating now cause I have non stop supported TS. 

    Read Cawley tweet, read TS linked in dms. Someone has got it wrong, really is that simple 

    edit: on a read back this seems really aggressive but I just don’t get how the tweet and dm can be interpreted any other way. Cawley has been fed spill, or TS is ‘white lying’ to announce the big occasion himself. 

    I like him but that is peculiar 
  • colthe3rd said:
    Nope, mostly people arguing over job descriptions and qualifications of people who aren't manager. It's all very HR in here today.
    In my defence, I do work in HR so not sure what anyone expected ;) 
  • edited May 2022
    why is it? I don't mean to be rude but I think that's nonsense. I think it would be unfair to personally attack him, call him useless etc, but I don't think anyone is doing that. But I don't see why we shouldn't debate his role at the club. The fact it he wouldn't get this role at any other club, he's got it because his dad is the owner. We've now got someone very inexperienced and unqualified in a position which massively contributes to how we do on the pitch this season. We all want the best for the club and we all want promotion, debating whether Martin is right to lead on this isn't unfair IMO. 
    The key point, and main cause of the arguments on here are, and have been for about 6 months is:

    We have people saying that Martin is here as Thomas's eyes and ears and is learning the business.  Possibly with a view to taking it over in a few years time.  I don't think anyone could, or would, have any problem at all if that was the case.

    We then have people suggesting that Martin is working on developing and implementing some software to aid recruitment.  Again not much anyone can really argue about there, no harming in making suggestions.

    Then we have the other extreme, suggestions that Martin picks the players, tries to influence training, tactics and the like.  I cant see how anyone can possibly think that's a good idea.

    No one, as far as I am aware, has spent any time job shadowing Martin so we don't actually know what he does on a day to day basis.  The closest we have to that is what his dad says, on the record.  Which paints a very different picture to both the extremes.  

    If Martin plays little to no roll in the meaningful stuff, Thomas is doing his own son no favours at all in keep suggesting he does.  He even credited him with discovering Fraser!!!
  • Valley11 said:
    200 or so new posts…any word on Garner or a new manager? 
    Fine, but leave the fish puns.
  • We’ve all got to start somewhere , part of the 5 year plan I guess, if he makes things better then I really don’t care, this club has been run into the ground for years and is going to take ages to put processes and building blocks in place, Charlton Athletic is not a quick fix problem unfortunately.
    Ain’t that the truth. 👍
  • Valley11 said:
    200 or so new posts…any word on Garner or a new manager? 

    He´s either resigned from Swindon or he hasnt and agreed terms with us or not. 
  • What do we expect when dad owns the club. Ok son, go and learn the business and get to grips with everything because one day if you want it it’ll be all yours. When you arrive we’ll call you the milk monitor. Don’t get under anyones feet. Or. Ok son, go and learn the business and get to grips with everything because one day if you want it it’ll be all yours. We’ll give you a nice title to frighten a few people and I want you to ruffle a few feathers because this club has been drifting along for too long and needs a kick up the ass and we need to find out exactly who does what, why and why isn’t he doing it better. 
    All fair enough, but if Sandgaard wants that from Martin, why give him a completely different role then? If Sandgaard felt the club was "drifting for too long" and needed a "kick up the ass", to find out what was doing what etc, why put him in charge of player recruitment? Right or wrong, whether he's successful or not, Martin is here so the Sandgaards can control who we sign and the way we play (I'm not saying he is controlling training/tactics either btw).
  • Off you go then 

    Can I take it that this witless remark indicates that you think otherwise?
  • Valley11 said:
    200 or so new posts…any word on Garner or a new manager? 
    Wrong thread - this one is officially off track.
  • Jac_52 said:

    Good to confirm that absolutely anyone with half a brain could do these jobs with minimal training.
    Just to add. Over the last 12 years, I've worked at 2x Premier league clubs and can confirm that this is just wrong. 
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  • I thought this topic was done to death a few months ago. TS stated somewhere that MS identified the players, SG negotiated the transfer fee and contracts and TS signed it off
    Very true, but at that point we weren't aware MS was taking the training sessions as well!
  • edited May 2022
    Scoham said:
    Back to Garner, should have pointed out last night Louis said nothing is imminent so that suggests an announcement next week is more likely.
  • What is the general consensus on here that the Powell rumour is true?
  • If MS is involved in everything and is interfering then I’m disappointed Jackson didn’t have the backbone to say something? Perhaps he did and is gone as a consequence?
  • Addick_8 said:
    What is the general consensus on here that the Powell rumour is true?
    its not true
  • Jac_52 said:

    Can I take it that this witless remark indicates that you think otherwise?
    You’ve got at least half a brain so I’m sure you can work it out. 
  • Addick_8 said:
    Just to add. Over the last 12 years, I've worked at 2x Premier league clubs and can confirm that this is just wrong. 
    So you need a whole brain and/or maximal training? I fail to see how from the job descriptions personally.
  • Jac_52 said:
    So you need a whole brain and/or maximal training? I fail to see how from the job descriptions personally.
    Go ahead and apply then
  • Why the big wait for Sandgaard to get over here to announce Garners appointment?
    Why not just announce him on Zoom??

    He'll probably sack him on it in 6 months time.
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