Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)

CL_Phantom said:

For added context, and, because "hUr DuR wHy YOu hAtE MaRTiN tHoUGh" (because apparently that's the reason) a look at the job skills requirement for an U23 performance analyst at Man city (yes I know city are at the elite end of the footballing spectrum







And a job description for a recruitment analyst at spurs:

https://www.hub-soccer.com/2020/09/07/recruitment-analyst-tottenham-hotspur/

Good to confirm that absolutely anyone with half a brain could do these jobs with minimal training.

Jac_52 said:

CL_Phantom said:

For added context, and, because "hUr DuR wHy YOu hAtE MaRTiN tHoUGh" (because apparently that's the reason) a look at the job skills requirement for an U23 performance analyst at Man city (yes I know city are at the elite end of the footballing spectrum







And a job description for a recruitment analyst at spurs:

https://www.hub-soccer.com/2020/09/07/recruitment-analyst-tottenham-hotspur/

Good to confirm that absolutely anyone with half a brain could do these jobs with minimal training.

Off you go then 

I thought this topic was done to death a few months ago. TS stated somewhere that MS identified the players, SG negotiated the transfer fee and contracts and TS signed it off

Valley11 said:

200 or so new posts…any word on Garner or a new manager? 

Nope, mostly people arguing over job descriptions and qualifications of people who aren't manager. It's all very HR in here today.

balham red said:

Braziliance said:

JamesSeed said:

Braziliance said:

RonnieMoore said:

Braziliance said:

I don’t think Cawley would have tweeted if he was wide of the mark, either TS is lying until it’s official or we have got someone better then Garner which has caused the delay, I don’t really mind either outcome but I expect it to be the first 

TS not lying just cooling the talk before it’s signed and sealed … he being honourable to both Swindon and Garner 

I am a big supporter of TS and been vocal about it, but if he has outright denied that Garner is our man and he becomes our manager then he has lied whichever way you wanna paint it. 

The honourable thing to do would be to stay quiet until things official and not have a jolly chin wag with supporters on social media, no disrespect to the supporters who message him but it’s quite peculiar that he would share our important business like that with fans, as much as I like how vocal he is about us..

If it’s true that he was being bugged on LinkedIn about the appointment then he’d have been better off just not replying. 

But he wouldn’t want to confirm the appointment on social media to someone he doesn’t know, so fobbed him off saying interviews were ongoing. 

It’s more likely that they’re still negotiating terms I think?

The professional thing to do is not engage in that type of conversation if you’re an owner. Can’t stress I’ve really supported him but if we end up appointing Garner as expected, as Cawley is credible, I will be for the first time slightly concerned about our owner. I really don’t like the way his messages come across. You either tell the truth or don’t reply, simple 

Didn't he just say the reports of it being a done deal are incorrect? Saying you are still interviewing is perfectly normal practice until a contract has been signed. I say it myself in the same circumstance because you need to hedge your bets until everything is completed.

Not aiming this at you, but I really wish people would stop looking for conspiracies at every juncture. Some people on this site are really toxic to the club. They revel in it.

I am gonna say this one more time, and genuinely it’s actually quite frustrating now cause I have non stop supported TS. 

cafcfan1990 said:

king addick said:

Its a very weird obsession about what MS does or doesnt do. Honestly, it really is.

why is it? I don't mean to be rude but I think that's nonsense. I think it would be unfair to personally attack him, call him useless etc, but I don't think anyone is doing that. But I don't see why we shouldn't debate his role at the club. The fact it he wouldn't get this role at any other club, he's got it because his dad is the owner. We've now got someone very inexperienced and unqualified in a position which massively contributes to how we do on the pitch this season. We all want the best for the club and we all want promotion, debating whether Martin is right to lead on this isn't unfair IMO. 

The key point, and main cause of the arguments on here are, and have been for about 6 months is:

We have people saying that Martin is here as Thomas's eyes and ears and is learning the business.  Possibly with a view to taking it over in a few years time.  I don't think anyone could, or would, have any problem at all if that was the case.

We then have people suggesting that Martin is working on developing and implementing some software to aid recruitment.  Again not much anyone can really argue about there, no harming in making suggestions.

Then we have the other extreme, suggestions that Martin picks the players, tries to influence training, tactics and the like.  I cant see how anyone can possibly think that's a good idea.

No one, as far as I am aware, has spent any time job shadowing Martin so we don't actually know what he does on a day to day basis.  The closest we have to that is what his dad says, on the record.  Which paints a very different picture to both the extremes.  

If Martin plays little to no roll in the meaningful stuff, Thomas is doing his own son no favours at all in keep suggesting he does.  He even credited him with discovering Fraser!!!

Mendonca In Asdas said:

NomadicAddick said:

Martin Sandgaard just isn't qualified to work for Charlton Athletic and I am baffled that anybody would think he is. 

For what it's worth a mate of mine works for the club and says Martin is actually a really nice guy but gives the vibe of a kid on work experience and is way out of his depth. 

We’ve all got to start somewhere , part of the 5 year plan I guess, if he makes things better then I really don’t care, this club has been run into the ground for years and is going to take ages to put processes and building blocks in place, Charlton Athletic is not a quick fix problem unfortunately.

Ain’t that the truth. 👍

ShootersHillGuru said:

cafcfan1990 said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

NomadicAddick said:

Martin Sandgaard just isn't qualified to work for Charlton Athletic and I am baffled that anybody would think he is. 

For what it's worth a mate of mine works for the club and says Martin is actually a really nice guy but gives the vibe of a kid on work experience and is way out of his depth. 

But that’s more or less exactly what it is. He’s dad owns the club and Martin has shares. Unless Sandgaard decides to cash out it’s quite possible MS will become the owner. He might anyway. He’s learning the business and good on him for it. 

I think you've changed your argument here though. I don't think anybody would have an issue with Martin working around the place and "learning the business". But you've questioned others claiming he doesn't have the expertise for the role he is undertaking, but he doesn't does he. For what it's worth, I don't think that doesn't mean he won't do a good job, just that he's not qualified for it. I think this is another example of double standards, Roland would be crucified for putting his son in a position like this. Martin isn't just doing a little bit of analyst work is he, he's got a huge role to play in all our recruitment. 

What do we expect when dad owns the club. Ok son, go and learn the business and get to grips with everything because one day if you want it it’ll be all yours. When you arrive we’ll call you the milk monitor. Don’t get under anyones feet. Or. Ok son, go and learn the business and get to grips with everything because one day if you want it it’ll be all yours. We’ll give you a nice title to frighten a few people and I want you to ruffle a few feathers because this club has been drifting along for too long and needs a kick up the ass and we need to find out exactly who does what, why and why isn’t he doing it better. 

All fair enough, but if Sandgaard wants that from Martin, why give him a completely different role then? If Sandgaard felt the club was "drifting for too long" and needed a "kick up the ass", to find out what was doing what etc, why put him in charge of player recruitment? Right or wrong, whether he's successful or not, Martin is here so the Sandgaards can control who we sign and the way we play (I'm not saying he is controlling training/tactics either btw).

Valley11 said:

200 or so new posts…any word on Garner or a new manager? 

Wrong thread - this one is officially off track.

eaststandmike said:

I thought this topic was done to death a few months ago. TS stated somewhere that MS identified the players, SG negotiated the transfer fee and contracts and TS signed it off

Very true, but at that point we weren't aware MS was taking the training sessions as well!

What is the general consensus on here that the Powell rumour is true?

If MS is involved in everything and is interfering then I’m disappointed Jackson didn’t have the backbone to say something? Perhaps he did and is gone as a consequence?

Jac_52 said:

The Red Robin said:

Jac_52 said:

CL_Phantom said:

For added context, and, because "hUr DuR wHy YOu hAtE MaRTiN tHoUGh" (because apparently that's the reason) a look at the job skills requirement for an U23 performance analyst at Man city (yes I know city are at the elite end of the footballing spectrum







And a job description for a recruitment analyst at spurs:

https://www.hub-soccer.com/2020/09/07/recruitment-analyst-tottenham-hotspur/

Good to confirm that absolutely anyone with half a brain could do these jobs with minimal training.

Off you go then 

Can I take it that this witless remark indicates that you think otherwise?

You’ve got at least half a brain so I’m sure you can work it out. 

Jac_52 said:

Addick_8 said:

Jac_52 said:

CL_Phantom said:

For added context, and, because "hUr DuR wHy YOu hAtE MaRTiN tHoUGh" (because apparently that's the reason) a look at the job skills requirement for an U23 performance analyst at Man city (yes I know city are at the elite end of the footballing spectrum







And a job description for a recruitment analyst at spurs:

https://www.hub-soccer.com/2020/09/07/recruitment-analyst-tottenham-hotspur/

Good to confirm that absolutely anyone with half a brain could do these jobs with minimal training.

Just to add. Over the last 12 years, I've worked at 2x Premier league clubs and can confirm that this is just wrong. 

So you need a whole brain and/or maximal training? I fail to see how from the job descriptions personally.

Go ahead and apply then