Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)

Dansk_Red said:

Why are we not linked to the Port Vale manager, beat both Garner and Clough in the playoffs.

He's made it his club and got a 5 year contract.

soapboxsam said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Dansk_Red said:

Why are we not linked to the Port Vale manager, beat both Garner and Clough in the playoffs.

Just signed a 5 year contract and given his family circumstances is highly unlikely to want to move.

Agree:
Darrell Clarke lost his 18 year old daughter recently and had 6 weeks compassionate leave and Crosby picked the side in Clarke's absent. I didn't see the final but I believe Darrell told Crosby to lead the team out.
Sometimes in life and death you can't just up sticks and move on.

Now if Crosby had been in the job he should have been last summer we might not be in this mess........

Cafc43v3r said:

soapboxsam said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Dansk_Red said:

Why are we not linked to the Port Vale manager, beat both Garner and Clough in the playoffs.

Just signed a 5 year contract and given his family circumstances is highly unlikely to want to move.

Agree:
Darrell Clarke lost his 18 year old daughter recently and had 6 weeks compassionate leave and Crosby picked the side in Clarke's absent. I didn't see the final but I believe Darrell told Crosby to lead the team out.
Sometimes in life and death you can't just up sticks and move on.

Now if Crosby had been in the job he should have been last summer we might not be in this mess........

Excellent point. 

Would Adkins have achieved more had he brought his trusted lieutenant? 

Cafc43v3r said:

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Rubbish at Man Utd so no thanks for us.

Richard J said:

Cafc43v3r said:

soapboxsam said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Dansk_Red said:

Why are we not linked to the Port Vale manager, beat both Garner and Clough in the playoffs.

Just signed a 5 year contract and given his family circumstances is highly unlikely to want to move.

Agree:
Darrell Clarke lost his 18 year old daughter recently and had 6 weeks compassionate leave and Crosby picked the side in Clarke's absent. I didn't see the final but I believe Darrell told Crosby to lead the team out.
Sometimes in life and death you can't just up sticks and move on.

Now if Crosby had been in the job he should have been last summer we might not be in this mess........

Excellent point. 

Would Adkins have achieved more had he brought his trusted lieutenant? 

Not just on its own no.  IIRC Crosby signed a short term contract at Vale just before Adkins got our job.  The fact he didn't come in the summer was the first, not necessarily red flag, but incling something wasn't as it should have been. 

golfaddick said:

Addick_8 said:

I’d take Nigel Clough in a heartbeat over Garner.

Really  ???

One has been coaching for years & the other one is still living off his fathers exploits. 

You do realise Clouch has been in management for 14 years right? Minus a bit of time without a club of course. 

golfaddick said:

Addick_8 said:

I’d take Nigel Clough in a heartbeat over Garner.

Really  ???

One has been coaching for years & the other one is still living off his fathers exploits. 

He’ll get on well with Martin then. 

soapboxsam said:

Richard J said:

Cafc43v3r said:

soapboxsam said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Dansk_Red said:

Why are we not linked to the Port Vale manager, beat both Garner and Clough in the playoffs.

Just signed a 5 year contract and given his family circumstances is highly unlikely to want to move.

Agree:
Darrell Clarke lost his 18 year old daughter recently and had 6 weeks compassionate leave and Crosby picked the side in Clarke's absent. I didn't see the final but I believe Darrell told Crosby to lead the team out.
Sometimes in life and death you can't just up sticks and move on.

Now if Crosby had been in the job he should have been last summer we might not be in this mess........

Excellent point. 

Would Adkins have achieved more had he brought his trusted lieutenant? 

Not if the front 3 was Washington on the left wing, Stockley isolated in the middle and DJ struggling to get into the game on the right at the beginning of this season.

If Conor hadn't been injured after two minutes into Nigel Adkins reign then possibly the season before last as Washington was in a purple patch but haven't we established that coaches implement what the manager requires. If a coach is going to dictate the formation then he is being short changed by just being a coach. Crosby only picked the team at Port Vale because of the circumstances of Darrell Clarke for six weeks.

If's and buts.

I still think JJ getting 17 wins out of 35 matches in the two spells is par for the course for the "worse squad in living memory"

The mistake JJ made was saying there is quality in this squad in public so when the bad run came as soon as he was made permanent manager then questions are asked " where is the quality"

At the same time if we had actually had the players to play the system, the manager had made clear, that was his preference who's fault is that?

He could have course played a different system but when you look at the players we had available for the first few games I would ask what system? 

BetVictor still doesn’t have odds for our next manager but has odds for the next Swindon job so surely it must be a done deal with us and Garner…. Why the delay? Or am I missing something? 

cafcfan1990 said:

golfaddick said:

Addick_8 said:

I’d take Nigel Clough in a heartbeat over Garner.

Really  ???

One has been coaching for years & the other one is still living off his fathers exploits. 

You do realise Clouch has been in management for 14 years right? Minus a bit of time without a club of course. 

And has just led Mansfield to the play off final. Although his managerial career has been nowhere near the level of his old man, he has still done pretty well and you don’t have as many jobs as he has had without knowing what you’re doing….

Still not convinced he’s be the man for us though….

cafcfan1990 said:

Cafc43v3r said:

soapboxsam said:

Richard J said:

Cafc43v3r said:

soapboxsam said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Dansk_Red said:

Why are we not linked to the Port Vale manager, beat both Garner and Clough in the playoffs.

Just signed a 5 year contract and given his family circumstances is highly unlikely to want to move.

Agree:
Darrell Clarke lost his 18 year old daughter recently and had 6 weeks compassionate leave and Crosby picked the side in Clarke's absent. I didn't see the final but I believe Darrell told Crosby to lead the team out.
Sometimes in life and death you can't just up sticks and move on.

Now if Crosby had been in the job he should have been last summer we might not be in this mess........

Excellent point. 

Would Adkins have achieved more had he brought his trusted lieutenant? 

Not if the front 3 was Washington on the left wing, Stockley isolated in the middle and DJ struggling to get into the game on the right at the beginning of this season.

If Conor hadn't been injured after two minutes into Nigel Adkins reign then possibly the season before last as Washington was in a purple patch but haven't we established that coaches implement what the manager requires. If a coach is going to dictate the formation then he is being short changed by just being a coach. Crosby only picked the team at Port Vale because of the circumstances of Darrell Clarke for six weeks.

If's and buts.

I still think JJ getting 17 wins out of 35 matches in the two spells is par for the course for the "worse squad in living memory"

The mistake JJ made was saying there is quality in this squad in public so when the bad run came as soon as he was made permanent manager then questions are asked " where is the quality"

At the same time if we had actually had the players to play the system, the manager had made clear, that was his preference who's fault is that?

He could have course played a different system but when you look at the players we had available for the first few games I would ask what system? 

A flat 442 or a diamond were the obvious choices. Not saying we'd have been successful with either and depth for any of system was clearly lacking. 

4-4-2 may not be in fashion so much now but having two strikers closer together must help when Stockley can't be a lone striker.
You have various options how the 4 are going to play in the midfield area.
I like 3-5-2 but we obviously didn't have the fast full backs to make it successful every week. The games I saw  wasn't a failure, until late on in the season when we attacked fine with 3-5-2 but were hit  in transition as we couldn't get back into shape quick enough. The away games on Charlton TV were mainly poor with a couple of exceptions.

Nigel Adkins was dealt a poor hand to kick the season off, but unfortunately for me we lost every home game I saw live at the Valley this season Including the defeat to Wimbledon in the cup under Nigel. Was it Cheltenham when we were 2-0 down at HT and Craig Mac kept the score down.

Bizarrely i saw five wins in a row at the valley when we didn't concede a goal under JJ. Four 2-0 and a 1-0. I admit when the Step five  game I was at was called off at 2pm I then looked at the starting 11 for the Oxford home game and decided not to get a ticket at the ground as Oxford were my nap away and the 4-0 summed up a miserable performance according to everyone.

Come on down Ben Garner if Ray the sausage man is correct.

golfaddick said:

Addick_8 said:

I’d take Nigel Clough in a heartbeat over Garner.

Really  ???

One has been coaching for years & the other one is still living off his fathers exploits. 

Just to be clear, I think clough would be bad purely because he isn't the young, up and coming manager that it's understood that the owner wants.

To see he is a manager because of what his dad achieved is crazy. The guy has been manager for over 1,300 games and has an okay record. A large number of his games have been tier 3 and below, with the highest level he has managed at is the second tier. That suggests to me that he has carved out a decent lower level career based on his own merits, not what his dad achieved 50 years earlier

Todds_right_hook said:

golfaddick said:

Addick_8 said:

I’d take Nigel Clough in a heartbeat over Garner.

Really  ???

One has been coaching for years & the other one is still living off his fathers exploits. 

Just to be clear, I think clough would be bad purely because he isn't the young, up and coming manager that it's understood that the owner wants.

To see he is a manager because of what his dad achieved is crazy. The guy has been manager for over 1,300 games and has an okay record. A large number of his games have been tier 3 and below, with the highest level he has managed at is the second tier. That suggests to me that he has carved out a decent lower level career based on his own merits, not what his dad achieved 50 years earlier

Is that clear?   Garner is the only name that has actually been linked at all but Thomas employed Adkins and then said they were aiming higher than Beale.  Its quite hard to find an up and coming manager that's stepping down a level. 

Addick_8 said:

I’d take Nigel Clough in a heartbeat over Garner.

6x LOL’s on this has absolutely ruined my confidence on this forum btw

Cawley still saying it’s happening.