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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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Im the total opposite, I’d be happy with the worst football in the world, if it got us out of this league, ive had enough of league one.shine166 said:At this stage I really don't care if we get promoted, just want to watch half decent football and not leave the ground depressed more often than not.29 -
CL is at its best when after the "underwhelmed" comments are out the way, some research takes place and we get an understanding of the man behind the name.
Good to see @ozaddick join the elite club.
Michael Beale, Ben Garner, Karl Robinson are all ex players that mainly because of injuries or they weren't good enough footballers became coaches in their early 20's.
To have success at football you normally needed to fail somewhere unless you have only worked with elite footballers. Charlton in the 3rd tier don't have elite footballers so you have to work and devise a system that works in League 1. Good luck with that Ben Garner or whoever.
Brighton-Poyet and Bournemouth-Howe were the two teams that were most pleasing on the eye in promotion years from the 3rd tier.
If at times we win like Rotherham then lets not complain because some days you win ugly. Better ball retention and passing and crosses from advanced positions would be progress.
Announce ASAP Thomas Sandgaard and then let the youngish coach have the casting vote with incoming transfers on the "committee" which we need to do early so new faces can gel and we hit the ground running and passing in late July when the 22/23 Season starts early.
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Yeah but you don't have to go and watch it 😅Stu_of_Kunming said:
Im the total opposite, I’d be happy with the worst football in the world, if it got us out of this league, ive had enough of league one.shine166 said:At this stage I really don't care if we get promoted, just want to watch half decent football and not leave the ground depressed more often than not.2 -
Davison isn’t similar to stockley. He’s a lot more mobile and therefore can suit a team that wants to press. Davisons best asset is his running/work rate, which is probably stockleys worst. Not sure stockley can play on his own up top in a team that wants to press high and Davison isn’t good enough too.Henry Irving said:
Garner made good use of Davison at Swindon, a not dissimilar player.balham red said:As stated above, I think Fraser would be a vital cog in Garner's system. That's exciting. I think Chuks and CBT will also be workable, maybe even Kirk.
I can't see how Stockley would fit in though.If it’s Garner I think we will go for Tyrece Simpson maybe who was at Swindon earlier in the season. I don’t think stockley is mobile enough or good enough with his feet for Garner-ball. For one up top in that system we will need more of an all-rounder like a Bonne rather than someone like stockley who has very clear strengths and weaknesses so you are forced to play to those strengths6 -
anyone know when Thomas arrives in the UK? I just want him to announce Garner so we can put this to bed and Ben can get down to the task of getting us out of League One. It's getting tedious now.15
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I’d be happy if we could just pass to a red shirt (when we are playing in red of course!)Scoham said:
Doesn’t prove you can’t get promoted with a possession style of course. Both would have gone up automatically with one more win. That could come down to one poor performance in which they lost 1-0 but should have scored 2 or 3.ricky_otto said:
Very similar to the stats produced by Manning at MK Dons. Neither sides managed to get promoted. However it will be nice to see a team with an actual game plan, rather than looking totally disjointed and clueless.Braziliance said:
Excellent post and mirrors what I think, once I saw the image that has been posted previously (will attach again for reminder) and heard him talk my mind was made up, you just cant fluke those kind of team traits/stats, especially at a lower level with a lower budget where you can’t cherry pick players.ozaddick said:
I'll put my hand up and admit I thought it was a crap choice before doing any research, it was a case of who's Garner??AndyG said:After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.
I don’t generally want tippy tappy football at the back but if it gets results and we’re one of the top scorers in the division then that’s very different to what we’ve seen before. Robinson and Peeters tried it but we didn’t have the players for it, especially not at the attacking end of the pitch. It could be great to watch if we get the right signings in.2 -
Both managers who joined very late on though. Garner started two weeks before Swindon's first game with 7 players at his disposal and Manning started the day before MK Dons' second league match, so they both had to try and impress their style on a team in a very short space of time. In both cases I think if the season had gone on a week or two longer they might have made the automatics, so having a full pre-season to prepare might have been what they needed to go up automatically. Plus it's not like they failed completely, both got done in the Play-Offs, and we know full well that all form, ability and sense goes out the window with that nonsense. We finished 15 points ahead of Doncaster and had a two goal lead after two minutes of the second leg, but we still needed to get the luck on penalties to go up. I know people are getting very itchy about us not having a manager in yet but we're still a long, long way ahead of those appointments.ricky_otto said:
Very similar to the stats produced by Manning at MK Dons. Neither sides managed to get promoted. However it will be nice to see a team with an actual game plan, rather than looking totally disjointed and clueless.Braziliance said:
Excellent post and mirrors what I think, once I saw the image that has been posted previously (will attach again for reminder) and heard him talk my mind was made up, you just cant fluke those kind of team traits/stats, especially at a lower level with a lower budget where you can’t cherry pick players.ozaddick said:
I'll put my hand up and admit I thought it was a crap choice before doing any research, it was a case of who's Garner??AndyG said:After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.
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Scoham said:If it’s announced today I’ll be exactly 16 years after we appointed Iain Dowie.That, as someone said on Twitter, was the beginning of the end.
We can only hope Garner is the start of the new beginning.
That was our sliding doors moment.
In a parallel universe Curbishley decides to stay at Cafc and Murray gives Alan the extra money that he gave to Dowie. Charlton not Leicester win the Premier and the FA cup after keeping most of the talented youngsters. Captain Joe Gomez, Ademola Lookman, Nick Pope, Konsa and Joe Aribo all sign long contracts at Cafc and everyone's happy.
Other than Golfie addick who states does Curbs need to retire in 2022 as Charlton only finish mid table in the Premier League.21 -
True, but as a caveat in Manning's case he didn't need to impose anything - their style was already baked-inGarrymanilow said:
Both managers who joined very late on though. Garner started two weeks before Swindon's first game with 7 players at his disposal and Manning started the day before MK Dons' second league match, so they both had to try and impress their style on a team in a very short space of time. In both cases I think if the season had gone on a week or two longer they might have made the automatics, so having a full pre-season to prepare might have been what they needed to go up automatically. Plus it's not like they failed completely, both got done in the Play-Offs, and we know full well that all form, ability and sense goes out the window with that nonsense. We finished 15 points ahead of Doncaster and had a two goal lead after two minutes of the second leg, but we still needed to get the luck on penalties to go up. I know people are getting very itchy about us not having a manager in yet but we're still a long, long way ahead of those appointments.ricky_otto said:
Very similar to the stats produced by Manning at MK Dons. Neither sides managed to get promoted. However it will be nice to see a team with an actual game plan, rather than looking totally disjointed and clueless.Braziliance said:
Excellent post and mirrors what I think, once I saw the image that has been posted previously (will attach again for reminder) and heard him talk my mind was made up, you just cant fluke those kind of team traits/stats, especially at a lower level with a lower budget where you can’t cherry pick players.ozaddick said:
I'll put my hand up and admit I thought it was a crap choice before doing any research, it was a case of who's Garner??AndyG said:After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.1 -
I know I was chuckling to myself like a child!!😂charltonbob said:
If ever a quote deserved it, it was that onepaulfox said:
Bring on the Kenneth Williams gif!!🤣charlton_hero said:I don't particularly want Garner, but I'm willing to get behind him.
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So what you’re saying is their owners chose a style of play and brought in players and a head coach to fit that?Leuth said:
True, but as a caveat in Manning's case he didn't need to impose anything - their style was already baked-inGarrymanilow said:
Both managers who joined very late on though. Garner started two weeks before Swindon's first game with 7 players at his disposal and Manning started the day before MK Dons' second league match, so they both had to try and impress their style on a team in a very short space of time. In both cases I think if the season had gone on a week or two longer they might have made the automatics, so having a full pre-season to prepare might have been what they needed to go up automatically. Plus it's not like they failed completely, both got done in the Play-Offs, and we know full well that all form, ability and sense goes out the window with that nonsense. We finished 15 points ahead of Doncaster and had a two goal lead after two minutes of the second leg, but we still needed to get the luck on penalties to go up. I know people are getting very itchy about us not having a manager in yet but we're still a long, long way ahead of those appointments.ricky_otto said:
Very similar to the stats produced by Manning at MK Dons. Neither sides managed to get promoted. However it will be nice to see a team with an actual game plan, rather than looking totally disjointed and clueless.Braziliance said:
Excellent post and mirrors what I think, once I saw the image that has been posted previously (will attach again for reminder) and heard him talk my mind was made up, you just cant fluke those kind of team traits/stats, especially at a lower level with a lower budget where you can’t cherry pick players.ozaddick said:
I'll put my hand up and admit I thought it was a crap choice before doing any research, it was a case of who's Garner??AndyG said:After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.4 -
Just have to ruin my weekend through sleep deprivation, why do we do it to ourselvesshine166 said:
Yeah but you don't have to go and watch it 😅Stu_of_Kunming said:
Im the total opposite, I’d be happy with the worst football in the world, if it got us out of this league, ive had enough of league one.shine166 said:At this stage I really don't care if we get promoted, just want to watch half decent football and not leave the ground depressed more often than not.2 -
I am probably the last person on this entire site who needs convincing of the benefits of this approach!Scoham said:
So what you’re saying is their owners chose a style of play and brought in players and a head coach to fit that?Leuth said:
True, but as a caveat in Manning's case he didn't need to impose anything - their style was already baked-inGarrymanilow said:
Both managers who joined very late on though. Garner started two weeks before Swindon's first game with 7 players at his disposal and Manning started the day before MK Dons' second league match, so they both had to try and impress their style on a team in a very short space of time. In both cases I think if the season had gone on a week or two longer they might have made the automatics, so having a full pre-season to prepare might have been what they needed to go up automatically. Plus it's not like they failed completely, both got done in the Play-Offs, and we know full well that all form, ability and sense goes out the window with that nonsense. We finished 15 points ahead of Doncaster and had a two goal lead after two minutes of the second leg, but we still needed to get the luck on penalties to go up. I know people are getting very itchy about us not having a manager in yet but we're still a long, long way ahead of those appointments.ricky_otto said:
Very similar to the stats produced by Manning at MK Dons. Neither sides managed to get promoted. However it will be nice to see a team with an actual game plan, rather than looking totally disjointed and clueless.Braziliance said:
Excellent post and mirrors what I think, once I saw the image that has been posted previously (will attach again for reminder) and heard him talk my mind was made up, you just cant fluke those kind of team traits/stats, especially at a lower level with a lower budget where you can’t cherry pick players.ozaddick said:
I'll put my hand up and admit I thought it was a crap choice before doing any research, it was a case of who's Garner??AndyG said:After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.1 -
I sometimes think the highest bonus should be for a home win, and for a home defeat the players should get a financial penalty.shine166 said:At this stage I really don't care if we get promoted, just want to watch half decent football and not leave the ground depressed more often than not.
Not sure how this might work though.0 -
I think there's enough difference to say they are very different players. Stockley is an out and out target man and I can't see how he successfully starts in a 433. But if we can bring one in and have Stockley/Aneke as competition then we could be onto something.Henry Irving said:
Garner made good use of Davison at Swindon, a not dissimilar player.balham red said:As stated above, I think Fraser would be a vital cog in Garner's system. That's exciting. I think Chuks and CBT will also be workable, maybe even Kirk.
I can't see how Stockley would fit in though.0 -
I'm so bored by this already. I can't believe it's taken so long. I'm pretty sure TS knew all along that JJ wasn't his man, so I thought he'd have a shortlist in mind already. Apparently I gave him far too much credit.4
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He probably did have a short list.Chunes said:I'm so bored by this already. I can't believe it's taken so long. I'm pretty sure TS knew all along that JJ wasn't his man, so I thought he'd have a shortlist in mind already. Apparently I gave him far too much credit.
Warburton - wants to stay in The Championship.
Beale - wants a position in The Championship.
Taylor- prefers to stay in Exeter with wife & new baby.14 -
I think it doesn’t take an awful lot of reading between the lines that he’s already got his man, but wants to be here to unveil him so they can get down to business together. I could be wrong but certainly my take on it.Chunes said:I'm so bored by this already. I can't believe it's taken so long. I'm pretty sure TS knew all along that JJ wasn't his man, so I thought he'd have a shortlist in mind already. Apparently I gave him far too much credit.I also think the clearly unwanted release of Garner’s name has worked in his favour a little bit as it’s given everyone a chance to get over their initial ‘WHO?! Moment’ do some research and see that as an appointment it makes sense and fits the promotion of youth and high pressing game that TS has been speaking about.Am sure not everyone will be happy, but it’s Charlton - If everyone is happy something very strange has happened.4 -
Seen a rumour on twitter so take with a pinch of salt that the delay is due to TS adding in certain performance measures into the contact as JJ had which BG feels is unrealistic with budget/resources available so has not signed off on the contract yet.
As I said on twitter with no actual credibility so take with a pinch of but thought I would share as a possible reason for the delay and fits with Nixon comments the owner does things his own way comment.
I personally feel BG has agreed in principle and it is a case of ironing out the fine details of the contract. Similar seem to happen with JJ once it was leaked, they wanted him to have the job.
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I'm not sure about everyone, but I think the vast majority were very happy when Pardew was appointed.27
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Happy Monday everyone!soapboxsam said:Scoham said:If it’s announced today I’ll be exactly 16 years after we appointed Iain Dowie.That, as someone said on Twitter, was the beginning of the end.
We can only hope Garner is the start of the new beginning.
That was our sliding doors moment.
In a parallel universe Curbishley decides to stay at Cafc and Murray gives Alan the extra money that he gave to Dowie. Charlton not Leicester win the Premier and the FA cup after keeping most of the talented youngsters. Captain Joe Gomez, Ademola Lookman, Nick Pope, Konsa and Joe Aribo all sign long contracts at Cafc and everyone's happy.
Other than Golfie addick who states does Curbs need to retire in 2022 as Charlton only finish mid table in the Premier League.0 -
I wasn't, I remember cringing when his name started to be sung at the Wycombe debarcal.Covered End said:I'm not sure about everyone, but I think the vast majority were very happy when Pardew was appointed.
However that was because he was a slimy twat, I did think he would do a better job than he did mind.
IMO the only proper football manager, since Curbs, that has categorically failed on his own merits.0 -
If 'performance measures' I. E league position etc are linked to contractual severance payments in the event of a sacking, no manager would agree to that, would they?0
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Well Jackson didThe Prince-e-Paul said:If 'performance measures' I. E league position etc are linked to contractual severance payments in the event of a sacking, no manager would agree to that, would they?0 -
I'd probably have to fess up to being one of them, even though I never liked him, going back to when we had him as a player. It did look like as a manager he had "something about him".Covered End said:I'm not sure about everyone, but I think the vast majority were very happy when Pardew was appointed.
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That's the point..he WAS dismal.. for us, but Garner found out how to make him tick and created a reasonable striker for how Swindon played, and played him consistently..addick1956 said:
Davison is dismal , not dissimilar.Henry Irving said:
Garner made good use of Davison at Swindon, a not dissimilar player.balham red said:As stated above, I think Fraser would be a vital cog in Garner's system. That's exciting. I think Chuks and CBT will also be workable, maybe even Kirk.
I can't see how Stockley would fit in though.3 -
The Prince-e-Paul said:If 'performance measures' I. E league position etc are linked to contractual severance payments in the event of a sacking, no manager would agree to that, would they?
Good question:
It's possible that If you are a coach and it's your first managers job and many of your peer group when accumulating the coaching badges, including the A licence are up for the Job, then to get a foot on the management ladder you may consider it.
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Or life a league 2 club is easier?eastterrace6168 said:
That's the point..he WAS dismal.. for us, but Garner found out how to make him tick and created a reasonable striker for how Swindon played, and played him consistently..addick1956 said:
Davison is dismal , not dissimilar.Henry Irving said:
Garner made good use of Davison at Swindon, a not dissimilar player.balham red said:As stated above, I think Fraser would be a vital cog in Garner's system. That's exciting. I think Chuks and CBT will also be workable, maybe even Kirk.
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Always difficult in business to set performance related remuneration. Normally a basic + bonus etc. and the bonus bit is performance retated. In Sales roles often a threat of getting fired if performance targets not met. Any manager who agrees to peformance related conditions needs to agree up front what resopurces he will have...if Garner says I want a new player budget of xx million and we need a striker, central defender, right winger etc. and he gets that then fine (if he has a say in who) but otherwise he has a case to say he wasn't given the neccessary resources if the performance isn't met...not sure what Jacko's agreement was...soapboxsam said:The Prince-e-Paul said:If 'performance measures' I. E league position etc are linked to contractual severance payments in the event of a sacking, no manager would agree to that, would they?
Good question:
It's possible that If you are a coach and it's your first managers job and many of your peer group when accumulating the coaching badges, including the A licence are up for the Job, then to get a foot on the management ladder you may consider it.2 -
With nothing announced yet, I wondered if this guy's odds had drifted having phoned the club earlier for an update, only to be told "We don't know Jack Shit!" Perhaps no formal approach made yet! 🤣eaststandmike said:
Cryptic clue from soapboxsam, Jack Shit has just entered the race at 8/1soapboxsam said:This thread is now closing down until Monday.
Please go to the Martin data coaching etc thread for more gossip and minutiae on Sanderstead Junior.
Thank you for your input despite most of it having Jack shit to do with our next Manager.1
