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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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None-Sequitur a noun is not the correct wordGarrymanilow said:
Welp, that's my non-sequitur of the week.1968CAFC said:
No actually I own 5 companies and have supported CAFC since 1968.Hal1x said:
Let me guess you are a glass half empty sort of person.1968CAFC said:Well lady’s & Gentlemen I hope I am proved wrong, but I am getting the feeling we will end up with someone far worse the JJ was and more has been crap players on free transfers or loans.
so far what has TS actually achieved apart from buy the Club? And he wants premier League football 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👎👎👎👎
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but a sense of humour might help 🤣🤣🤣0 -
Mmmmm that's interesting. What site is she posting on? Asking for a mate.golfaddick said:
It's not him replying. He's got Sandra from Accounts doing his SM posting.J BLOCK said:
How he has the time as a big time business owner is beyond me.cafcsinger said:So weird we have a owner answering fans questions on LinkedIn (weird fans asking in first place too)0 -
Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Nailed on QPR get a couple of Villa kids on loan next season then.MarcusH26 said:
I think we'd basically ruled Beale out anyway but looks like he's going to be confirmed at QPR. One I'll probably keep an eye on and see how it goes.
Wouldn't be shocked to see Cameron Archer the young striker that looked good for Preston second half of last season go there.
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Swindon are therefore being very accommodating in these circumstances then as there Manager is clearing off and they have not announced that to their ownnsupporters yet so as not to ruin our own announcement!RonnieMoore said:
Would say it’s all been agreed before he went awayking addick said:
No access to emails? No internet for a zoom.RonnieMoore said:Looks like Garner on holiday that’s what the delay is ….
A holiday shouldn't hold up accepting a job.
Or are you just making it up as you go along?9 -
MS, behave. That will never ever happen and everyone knows it. It keeps getting mentioned as a way of having a cheap pop at the ownerRob7Lee said:As I've been saying for a while, TS the cuddlier/friendlier version of RD whose finding it very difficult to find a manager, that he wants, to work under his set up.
I'm not convinced at this rate it won't be Euell or MS taking the teams to Spain!
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Plenty of Fish. She’s proper Charlton.Return of the SE7 said:
Mmmmm that's interesting. What site is she posting on? Asking for a mate.golfaddick said:
It's not him replying. He's got Sandra from Accounts doing his SM posting.J BLOCK said:
How he has the time as a big time business owner is beyond me.cafcsinger said:So weird we have a owner answering fans questions on LinkedIn (weird fans asking in first place too)3 -
But you said it would happen this week?RonnieMoore said:Looks like Garner on holiday that’s what the delay is ….1 -
***Shock Horror**JohnnyH2 said:
Swindon are therefore being very accommodating in these circumstances then as there Manager is clearing off and they have not announced that to their ownnsupporters yet so as not to ruin our own announcement!RonnieMoore said:
Would say it’s all been agreed before he went awayking addick said:
No access to emails? No internet for a zoom.RonnieMoore said:Looks like Garner on holiday that’s what the delay is ….
A holiday shouldn't hold up accepting a job.
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
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That’s an interesting post from a known itk poster. Coaching in the PL is likely, I think to be number two somewhere ? Anything less than number two seems unlikely to me. Any names jump out ? SCP is one I suppose but is he number two at The Spuds or Academy?DubaiCAFC said:Sounds like TS is trying to be over smart with contracts, which is making it tough to close the managers.. performance related, and release clause that wouldn’t cost him much! Managers want to come, but they also need to look after themselves!Garner compo package was agreed, and were still trying to arrange personal terms, but as they were a long way apart TS started shopping again!
Wouldn’t be surprised if another name enters the race, someone coaching in the premier league! I think by the end of this week we will have our manager!2 -
Don't think it's been suggested (can't be bothered to trawl through all the post's) but the delay could be because Garner has been offered the job but is considering other offers.2
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He makes everything up as he goes along.JohnnyH2 said:
Swindon are therefore being very accommodating in these circumstances then as there Manager is clearing off and they have not announced that to their ownnsupporters yet so as not to ruin our own announcement!RonnieMoore said:
Would say it’s all been agreed before he went awayking addick said:
No access to emails? No internet for a zoom.RonnieMoore said:Looks like Garner on holiday that’s what the delay is ….
A holiday shouldn't hold up accepting a job.
Or are you just making it up as you go along?4 -
Someone's discovered emojis1968CAFC said:
None-Sequitur a noun is not the correct wordGarrymanilow said:
Welp, that's my non-sequitur of the week.1968CAFC said:
No actually I own 5 companies and have supported CAFC since 1968.Hal1x said:
Let me guess you are a glass half empty sort of person.1968CAFC said:Well lady’s & Gentlemen I hope I am proved wrong, but I am getting the feeling we will end up with someone far worse the JJ was and more has been crap players on free transfers or loans.
so far what has TS actually achieved apart from buy the Club? And he wants premier League football 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👎👎👎👎
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
but a sense of humour might help 🤣🤣🤣13 -
Sounds like TS is trying to include the same clauses that Jacko agreed to. The issue is, Jacko had nothing to lose and everything to gain, someone in a contract already isn’t going to agree to any of that! We are going nowhere next season if this continues to linger on.4
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AFKABartram said:every summer I never fail to understand how some people get themselves so worked up on a daily basis based on snippets and rumours. Some will be true, some won’t, but ultimately there’s nothing any of us can do about it.We’re not playing a competitive game for another couple of months and they’ll probably be plenty of disappointment coming our way then, so just take yourselves down The Winchester till it comes a bit meaningful and don’t stress out on it all.
Charlton ruin most of my year. I’m damned if I’m gonna let it ruin the close season as well.
You part-timer.8 -
This is another example of where TS needs someone with football experience around him.RedRobin said:Sounds like TS is trying to include the same clauses that Jacko agreed to. The issue is, Jacko had nothing to lose and everything to gain, someone in a contract already isn’t going to agree to any of that! We are going nowhere next season if this continues to linger on.5 -
Only since 1968?1968CAFC said:
No actually I own 5 companies and have supported CAFC since 1968.Hal1x said:
Let me guess you are a glass half empty sort of person.1968CAFC said:Well lady’s & Gentlemen I hope I am proved wrong, but I am getting the feeling we will end up with someone far worse the JJ was and more has been crap players on free transfers or loans.
so far what has TS actually achieved apart from buy the Club? And he wants premier League football 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👎👎👎👎
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Just another Johnny-come-lately. *shakes head in despair*
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Surely any manager with an ounce of sense won't agree to performance-related clauses when they have no control over recruitment.10
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Especially when they already have a job. The only type of manager you’re attracting with a contract like that is another Slade or Adkins. I.e, washed up and out of work.Chunes said:Surely any manager with an ounce of sense won't agree to performance-related clauses when they have no control over recruitment.3 -
Which is why, imo, we still don’t have one.Chunes said:Surely any manager with an ounce of sense won't agree to performance-related clauses when they have no control over recruitment.No manager, half a squad and the season starts earlier than ever before, but better not suggest other clubs are ahead of us.9 -
New manager won’t be Michael Beale, he’s been given permission by Villa to speak to QPR.Big miss IMO but unlikely to have happened given our League 1 status6
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Don’t know Garner family commitments … sorry about that his misses forgot to text me !!Todds_right_hook said:
But you said it would happen this week?RonnieMoore said:Looks like Garner on holiday that’s what the delay is ….0 -
Plus his salary … was way out of league oneNorthStandUltra said:New manager won’t be Michael Beale, he’s been given permission by Villa to speak to QPR.Big miss IMO but unlikely to have happened given our League 1 status1 -
Thomas initially said it could take up to preseason to find a suitable replacement. Saying yesterday that they were still searching within the same time frame is consistent with that, but two journalists leaked last week that Ben Garner had been offered a deal subject to final terms being agreed. It probably had, but don’t know who their sources were and Thomas probably didn’t want it made public then unless he was using Ben as a stalking horse to gauge public reaction. If so, he can’t think that highly of him. Whatever the reason, social media went into meltdown with an outpouring of WTF’ery.
He knew that when asked about the reports, replying that nothing had been decided and that they were still interviewing, lots of good candidates etc. If that initial fan response did sway his thinking, then as the deal hadn’t been finalised, and with Ben not having agreed to contract performance related milestones, Thomas kept his options open. I guess he’s just being cautious and didn’t have the confidence to offer a contract without a performance related element based on what happened with Nigel the 1st. We now know of another candidate who was subsequently given permission to talk to him, let’s call him Nigel the 2nd!
Thomas can’t control how any of this gets reported by the external media, hence what we see appears to be mixed messaging, which he seems to address by answering direct questions put to him using ‘linked in?’ knowing it will end up broadcast more widely.
The irony is that since Ben Garner was ‘not’ announced, opinions towards him appear to have softened. I hope Thomas takes that into account when making a final decision, but whatever happens now, and assuming Ben doesn’t tell him where to go, from the outside it appears to be an awful mess and what should be a good news story for us is rapidly turning into a farce because of, dare I say it, dithering and delay.
I’m just offering one possible explanation that seems to fit what I think I know.
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Aren’t all managers jobs performance related, squad or no squad, control or no control?
I don’t believe TS had anybody lined up to replace Jacko, but I still believe Jacko lost his job because of the shameful performance at Ipswich, as that event made up Sandgaard’s mind for him.
A manager at, say, Oldham can still get sacked with poor performances even with no resources. Yet there will be plenty who would apply even for the job at Oldham.
If a manager doesn’t want a performance related contract they can surely look elsewhere.0 -
Compensation related - you can be sacked at any time but TS wants minimal payoff.seth plum said:Aren’t all managers jobs performance related, squad or no squad, control or no control?
I don’t believe TS had anybody lined up to replace Jacko, but I still believe Jacko lost his job because of the shameful performance at Ipswich, as that event made up Sandgaard’s mind for him.
A manager at, say, Oldham can still get sacked with poor performances even with no resources. Yet there will be plenty who would apply even for the job at Oldham.
If a manager doesn’t want a performance related contract they can surely look elsewhere.1 -
His salary at Villa was less than Adkins was on here and very similar to what Bowyer was on.RonnieMoore said:
Plus his salary … was way out of league oneNorthStandUltra said:New manager won’t be Michael Beale, he’s been given permission by Villa to speak to QPR.Big miss IMO but unlikely to have happened given our League 1 status1 -
Being in America for many years i suspect that TS does not fully grasp the irony of supporting a football club like ours. We are not blinded by the star studded snake oiled fantasma of tippy tappy breathless media orgasmistic now now now stellar football. It's the local team my grandad and uncles agonised over, they no doubt suffered the same long periods of mediocre interspersed with short green uplands of promise culminating in the fleeting phantom of success soon to be whisked away in front of their eyes. That's what my forbears left me, a grinding gnawing hope that one day just one day...
TS is beginning to right royally cheese me off.
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Stu_of_Kunming said:
Which is why, imo, we still don’t have one.Chunes said:Surely any manager with an ounce of sense won't agree to performance-related clauses when they have no control over recruitment.No manager, half a squad and the season starts earlier than ever before, but better not suggest other clubs are ahead of us.
Ben Garner took over Swindon with about 7 players and after Bristol Rovers didn't work out he didn't have many options of getting a manager's job in the EFL. Charlton would be a step up despite the implosion of the last decade or so at Cafc.
Just a gut instinct but ever since JJ left I have been convinced that the decision would be made on the 31/5 or 1/6.
I believe Cawley contacts have given him the correct information and unless Thomas Sandgaard has done a U-turn because of the initial negativity when RC did the scoop then Ben Garner will be the next person in the hot seat.
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Just wondered if we were still paying Adkins salary , and whether thats come out of this season budget, how much would we have had to pay to fire him?1
