Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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Well as the child says on ittv, he comes on here lights the touch paper & stands back to see how many bite. I think he maybe on a winner with this one.RonnieMoore said:Looks like Garner on holiday that’s what the delay is ….
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So we have been blaming TS for lack of activity in the transfer market and the real reason is because Garner has the cheek to take a holiday 2 months before the season starts. Well, sorry Garner but it is a no from me!charltonbob said:
Well as the child says on ittv, he comes on here lights the touch paper & stands back to see how many bite. I think he maybe on a winner with this one.RonnieMoore said:Looks like Garner on holiday that’s what the delay is ….3 -
I agree, 99.9% of his time is spent answering fans questions on social media!WSS said:Dave Rudd said:
As CEO, no. But, as CEO, he is responsible for what goes out. And he, via his staff, will have endorsed them. They reflect his Company ethos.WSS said:
You really think he has written those job descriptions?Dave Rudd said:A bit of factual analysis.
Almost 90% of his 227 vacancies are for Medical Device Sales reps. and here's the wording he has used (italics and bold text are his, not mine):
Put it another way, if he disagreed with them, do you think he would have allowed them to go out into the public domain?
But that is not the point.
The point is that Sandgaard comes from a world where black-and-white sales targets are the norm.
I'd wager he hasn't got a clue about what is said in any job descriptions or adverts in the public domain. Like 99.9% of CEOs in "big companies".1 -
Very good points here DR. Yes, I wonder whether TS fully appreciated how difficult it was when CA, JS & CW were all injured and our frontline decimated.Dave Rudd said:A bit of factual analysis.
I've said (repeatedly) that Sandgaard is trying to bring his successful business principles into our world of football.
On that basis, I thought I'd take a look at the Job descriptions for current vacancies on his Zynex website.
Almost 90% of his 227 vacancies are for Medical Device Sales reps. and here's the wording he has used (italics and bold text are his, not mine):Do you want to join a successful fast-paced growing company with opportunity to help patients and make money?
The Zynex mission is to improve the life-quality of patients suffering from debilitating pain. We are seeking: Self-confident, self-starting, resourceful, assertive, and persuasive individuals who will promote and generate prescriptions from physical therapists and pain management doctors for our NexWave pain management device. The NexWave is an alternative to opioid pain medications. You must be able to build loyalty with clinicians and doctors developing your prescription-based stream of business. Able to demonstrate influencing and sales skills, and you must possess the drive and discipline to accomplish goals on a weekly basis. Previous sales experience is a plus, but you may qualify based on a strong desire to be the best. Requirements: Must have reliable transportation, valid driver’s license, and mobile phone. We offer training, a generous base salary, uncapped commissions, benefits, with a $20,000 sign-on bonus and management support for your success.
What I will highlight is this:
"you must possess the drive and discipline to accomplish goals on a weekly basis"
I'm pretty sure that this performance-related approach did for Jackson, and Sandgaard won't let that approach go. "Hey, it works in the business world, so why not use it here? Football is no different."
This is where Sandgaard needs to take advice. To find the middle ground.
Yes, have your performance targets. No problem with that. But any contract needs to include agreed caveats (on both sides), clearly identified extenuating circumstances (on both sides) and a mechanism to review if and when the unexpected happens (on both sides).
This is not typical practice in medical sales ... you either deliver or get the boot.
I suspect that our new manager hiring process is suffering from this type of inflexibility.
If he's hooked on weekly targets I wonder what targets he had for JJ during this awful period. I hope he is now getting football advice from football people and not business analysts..0 -
Sales are only part of the successful business he built and runs.Dave Rudd said:
As CEO, no. But, as CEO, he is responsible for what goes out. And he, via his staff, will have endorsed them. They reflect his Company ethos.WSS said:
You really think he has written those job descriptions?Dave Rudd said:A bit of factual analysis.
Almost 90% of his 227 vacancies are for Medical Device Sales reps. and here's the wording he has used (italics and bold text are his, not mine):
Put it another way, if he disagreed with them, do you think he would have allowed them to go out into the public domain?
But that is not the point.
The point is that Sandgaard comes from a world where black-and-white sales targets are the norm.
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Pfffft.... what do you know about recruitment anyway?WSS said:Dave Rudd said:
As CEO, no. But, as CEO, he is responsible for what goes out. And he, via his staff, will have endorsed them. They reflect his Company ethos.WSS said:
You really think he has written those job descriptions?Dave Rudd said:A bit of factual analysis.
Almost 90% of his 227 vacancies are for Medical Device Sales reps. and here's the wording he has used (italics and bold text are his, not mine):
Put it another way, if he disagreed with them, do you think he would have allowed them to go out into the public domain?
But that is not the point.
The point is that Sandgaard comes from a world where black-and-white sales targets are the norm.
I'd wager he hasn't got a clue about what is said in any job descriptions or adverts in the public domain. Like 99.9% of CEOs in "big companies".4 -
Thanks Ronnie.RonnieMoore said:Looks like Garner on holiday that’s what the delay is ….
Might be half tempted to believe you if it wasn’t for the fact that every other thing you’ve claimed has turned out to be incorrect.
Any news on those incoming players from Plymouth that your relative who owned the local paper told you about a year ago?9 -
Wow, that's a blast from the past! I knew Paul well, played for North Kent schools and Welling United with him. I can remember the game that our regular keeper didn't turn up, Paul went in goal and the rest is history!addick1956 said:
When he was 12 Paul Barron told us the same thing about being a goalkeeper He is still a coach and that remark was made in the 60'sseth plum said:When he was 11 Ben Chorley told me he was going to be a professional footballer.
His focus was locked on, and he was right.0 -
The site on Instagram been pretty spot on .. so we shall seeCafcSteve said:
Thanks Ronnie.RonnieMoore said:Looks like Garner on holiday that’s what the delay is ….
Might be half tempted to believe you if it wasn’t for the fact that every other thing you’ve claimed has turned out to be incorrect.
Any news on those incoming players from Plymouth that your relative who owned the local paper told you about a year ago?1 -
Sounds like the job description for those selling the opioids in the first place.Dave Rudd said:A bit of factual analysis.
I've said (repeatedly) that Sandgaard is trying to bring his successful business principles into our world of football.
On that basis, I thought I'd take a look at the Job descriptions for current vacancies on his Zynex website.
Almost 90% of his 227 vacancies are for Medical Device Sales reps. and here's the wording he has used (italics and bold text are his, not mine):Do you want to join a successful fast-paced growing company with opportunity to help patients and make money?
The Zynex mission is to improve the life-quality of patients suffering from debilitating pain. We are seeking: Self-confident, self-starting, resourceful, assertive, and persuasive individuals who will promote and generate prescriptions from physical therapists and pain management doctors for our NexWave pain management device. The NexWave is an alternative to opioid pain medications. You must be able to build loyalty with clinicians and doctors developing your prescription-based stream of business. Able to demonstrate influencing and sales skills, and you must possess the drive and discipline to accomplish goals on a weekly basis. Previous sales experience is a plus, but you may qualify based on a strong desire to be the best. Requirements: Must have reliable transportation, valid driver’s license, and mobile phone. We offer training, a generous base salary, uncapped commissions, benefits, with a $20,000 sign-on bonus and management support for your success.
What I will highlight is this:
"you must possess the drive and discipline to accomplish goals on a weekly basis"
I'm pretty sure that this performance-related approach did for Jackson, and Sandgaard won't let that approach go. "Hey, it works in the business world, so why not use it here? Football is no different."
This is where Sandgaard needs to take advice. To find the middle ground.
Yes, have your performance targets. No problem with that. But any contract needs to include agreed caveats (on both sides), clearly identified extenuating circumstances (on both sides) and a mechanism to review if and when the unexpected happens (on both sides).
This is not typical practice in medical sales ... you either deliver or get the boot.
I suspect that our new manager hiring process is suffering from this type of inflexibility.
Cosy up to clinicians. Then push the hard sell.
Anyone who has seen the excellent series Dopesick will know what I'm talking about0 -
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A heads up to anyone that was thinking of reading the posts since last night - don't bother.
Beale looks like he's going to QPR and that's it.14 -
Has Thomas actually landed in the UK yet, if not can we can get a sky scanner on his probable flight?
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Handy post that, cheersCovered End said:A heads up to anyone that was thinking of reading the posts since last night - don't bother.
Beale looks like he's going to QPR and that's it. 0 -
For all this salesman B/S he is not very successful at selling the position of manager for Charlton Athletic,if your point ís about 'due dilligence. One is taking a gamble at suitable employees But in our case ,a suitable employee before a certain deadline There has to be a compromise somewhere along the line, for our position, or else it is going to go tits up --- On a side note, forget the glass half full/empty,American style B/S Common sense tells us, we are in a worse position now, than we were last season. Hope i am wrongcarly burn said:
Sounds like the job description for those selling the opioids in the first place.Dave Rudd said:A bit of factual analysis.
I've said (repeatedly) that Sandgaard is trying to bring his successful business principles into our world of football.
On that basis, I thought I'd take a look at the Job descriptions for current vacancies on his Zynex website.
Almost 90% of his 227 vacancies are for Medical Device Sales reps. and here's the wording he has used (italics and bold text are his, not mine):Do you want to join a successful fast-paced growing company with opportunity to help patients and make money?
The Zynex mission is to improve the life-quality of patients suffering from debilitating pain. We are seeking: Self-confident, self-starting, resourceful, assertive, and persuasive individuals who will promote and generate prescriptions from physical therapists and pain management doctors for our NexWave pain management device. The NexWave is an alternative to opioid pain medications. You must be able to build loyalty with clinicians and doctors developing your prescription-based stream of business. Able to demonstrate influencing and sales skills, and you must possess the drive and discipline to accomplish goals on a weekly basis. Previous sales experience is a plus, but you may qualify based on a strong desire to be the best. Requirements: Must have reliable transportation, valid driver’s license, and mobile phone. We offer training, a generous base salary, uncapped commissions, benefits, with a $20,000 sign-on bonus and management support for your success.
What I will highlight is this:
"you must possess the drive and discipline to accomplish goals on a weekly basis"
I'm pretty sure that this performance-related approach did for Jackson, and Sandgaard won't let that approach go. "Hey, it works in the business world, so why not use it here? Football is no different."
This is where Sandgaard needs to take advice. To find the middle ground.
Yes, have your performance targets. No problem with that. But any contract needs to include agreed caveats (on both sides), clearly identified extenuating circumstances (on both sides) and a mechanism to review if and when the unexpected happens (on both sides).
This is not typical practice in medical sales ... you either deliver or get the boot.
I suspect that our new manager hiring process is suffering from this type of inflexibility.
Cosy up to clinicians. Then push the hard sell.
Anyone who has seen the excellent series Dopesick will know what I'm talking about1 -
Has he been caught up in the easyJet/TUI fiasco as well then?RonnieMoore said:Looks like Garner on holiday that’s what the delay is ….0 -
Can’t think of anything that you’ve said that has happened?RonnieMoore said:
The site on Instagram been pretty spot on .. so we shall seeCafcSteve said:
Thanks Ronnie.RonnieMoore said:Looks like Garner on holiday that’s what the delay is ….
Might be half tempted to believe you if it wasn’t for the fact that every other thing you’ve claimed has turned out to be incorrect.
Any news on those incoming players from Plymouth that your relative who owned the local paper told you about a year ago?2 -
And a view from left field-- Quote- The Zynex mission is to improve the quality of patience- WTF. We all know its to rip the patience off in this 'Land of the Free'' Thank God for Universal Health Care, With all its problems ,100% better than the U S0
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The NHS buys equipment too you know, from the very same markets as the Americans. It’s not all altruism that makes the NHS run.paulg1947 said:And a view from left field-- Quote- The Zynex mission is to improve the quality of patience- WTF. We all know its to rip the patience off in this 'Land of the Free'' Thank God for Universal Health Care, With all its problems ,100% better than the U S2 -
Did they really spell “patients” as “patience”?!paulg1947 said:And a view from left field-- Quote- The Zynex mission is to improve the quality of patience- WTF. We all know its to rip the patience off in this 'Land of the Free'' Thank God for Universal Health Care, With all its problems ,100% better than the U S4 -
LargeAddick said:
spot on. People last summer were concerned at the slow recruitment, labelled bedwetters, and look how that turned out.arny23394 said:Why are people labelled bedwetters for being concerned that we have no manager, and about 3 players good enough for a promotion chasing team? It’s exactly 2 months until our first game and we have so much to do. Bizarre.
Yeah, and also, people who worry about something a lot are less likely to wet the bed, as sleep is not forthcoming and toilet visits are facilitated.
My daughter never worries about Charlton's recruitment and she often wets the bed.6 -
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Charlton (fans/owners/players) try my fecking patience sometimesRylo said:
Did they really spell “patients” as “patience”?!paulg1947 said:And a view from left field-- Quote- The Zynex mission is to improve the quality of patience- WTF. We all know its to rip the patience off in this 'Land of the Free'' Thank God for Universal Health Care, With all its problems ,100% better than the U S3 -
A lot of unfounded speculation there Raith…..if you don’t mind me saying so. 🤔Raith_C_Chattonell said:I remember being shocked when Sandgaard announced that it wouldn't cost much to get rid of Jackson. I mean, Jackson was still in the job, hardly motivational to hear that and actually quite destabilising toboot. Now we hear that Garner is almost in the job, it's just that Sandaard is looking for someone better.
If I was Garner, and if I was told the job's probably mine, and if I'd been left dangling on a piece of string, and if Sandgaard's still looking for someone 'better,' and if after weeks of turmoil and disruption finally told the job is mine ... I'd tell him to 'go eff himself'.
I don't think Sandgaard need apply for a job in the diplomatic service,0 -
I always thought patients were a virtue
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League One is a much tougher league, but I’d be happy with Garner l, unfortunately if rumours are true of bat shit crazy contracts, we’ll be lucky to get a manager from a non league club.soapboxsam said:Stu_of_Kunming said:
Which is why, imo, we still don’t have one.Chunes said:Surely any manager with an ounce of sense won't agree to performance-related clauses when they have no control over recruitment.No manager, half a squad and the season starts earlier than ever before, but better not suggest other clubs are ahead of us.
Ben Garner took over Swindon with about 7 players and after Bristol Rovers didn't work out he didn't have many options of getting a manager's job in the EFL. Charlton would be a step up despite the implosion of the last decade or so at Cafc.
Just a gut instinct but ever since JJ left I have been convinced that the decision would be made on the 31/5 or 1/6.
I believe Cawley contacts have given him the correct information and unless Thomas Sandgaard has done a U-turn because of the initial negativity when RC did the scoop then Ben Garner will be the next person in the hot seat.1 -
They are if your business is bad.bristoladdick said:I always thought patients were a virtue1 -
Emma Hayes anyone?
Great for publicity / Sponsorship.
Reckon she be great as a manager too.
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Yes, but this is a job description for Sales Reps. All of this is pretty standard stuff for such a role.Dave Rudd said:A bit of factual analysis.
I've said (repeatedly) that Sandgaard is trying to bring his successful business principles into our world of football.
On that basis, I thought I'd take a look at the Job descriptions for current vacancies on his Zynex website.
Almost 90% of his 227 vacancies are for Medical Device Sales reps. and here's the wording he has used (italics and bold text are his, not mine):Do you want to join a successful fast-paced growing company with opportunity to help patients and make money?
The Zynex mission is to improve the life-quality of patients suffering from debilitating pain. We are seeking: Self-confident, self-starting, resourceful, assertive, and persuasive individuals who will promote and generate prescriptions from physical therapists and pain management doctors for our NexWave pain management device. The NexWave is an alternative to opioid pain medications. You must be able to build loyalty with clinicians and doctors developing your prescription-based stream of business. Able to demonstrate influencing and sales skills, and you must possess the drive and discipline to accomplish goals on a weekly basis. Previous sales experience is a plus, but you may qualify based on a strong desire to be the best. Requirements: Must have reliable transportation, valid driver’s license, and mobile phone. We offer training, a generous base salary, uncapped commissions, benefits, with a $20,000 sign-on bonus and management support for your success.
What I will highlight is this:
"you must possess the drive and discipline to accomplish goals on a weekly basis"
I'm pretty sure that this performance-related approach did for Jackson, and Sandgaard won't let that approach go. "Hey, it works in the business world, so why not use it here? Football is no different."
This is where Sandgaard needs to take advice. To find the middle ground.
Yes, have your performance targets. No problem with that. But any contract needs to include agreed caveats (on both sides), clearly identified extenuating circumstances (on both sides) and a mechanism to review if and when the unexpected happens (on both sides).
This is not typical practice in medical sales ... you either deliver or get the boot.
I suspect that our new manager hiring process is suffering from this type of inflexibility.
There needs to be an element of performance related pay/reward in every job. The issue I would imagine for a lot of candidates if I am reading the posts right is that managing/coaching us comes with a framework that some may not be able to work within because they don’t have the final say on recruitment or total control over the footballing side of things. I understand looking for comparisons with Zynex because I am sure a lot of what he does there in running the business is the same ethos he’s brought to us, but the comparison for his generic industry standard job ads for sales reps versus his approach to finding a manager will probably be a bit different.0 -
What was his salary expectation, Colin?RonnieMoore said:
Plus his salary … was way out of league oneNorthStandUltra said:New manager won’t be Michael Beale, he’s been given permission by Villa to speak to QPR.Big miss IMO but unlikely to have happened given our League 1 status1 -
She doesn't want to come here, she views Chelsea women's side and the super League as a whole as the same level as the men's, so she wouldn't even go to a men's championship side if you ask meCafcSCP said:Emma Hayes anyone?
Great for publicity / Sponsorship.
Reckon she be great as a manager too.2
