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  • ISawLeaburnScore
    ISawLeaburnScore Posts: 9,779
    J BLOCK said:
    Blackpool now looking for a new manager. 
    If I wasn't so worried about all of this then it would be fairly amusing if we had Beale as the favourite, but lost him triggering a chain reaction which culminated in us losing Garner too...
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,476
    blackpool72 said:
    cfgs said:
    blackpool72 said:
    J BLOCK said:
    Blackpool now looking for a new manager. 
    I can manage myself thanks 
    The evidence is to the contrary.
    Oi.
    Us firemen should be on the same side 
    True, but I am a turncoat and proud.
  • RoanRedNY
    RoanRedNY Posts: 1,147
    cafc_se7 said:
    FAVADDICK said:
    Would love to know why certain people on here dont criticise anything sandgaard does, what has he done that is so amazing In your eyes ??
    Kept us afloat? 
    Aquaducts?
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,195
    Garrymanilow said:
    golfaddick said:
    RedRobin said:
    A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management. 
    Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this. 

    I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing. 

    Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either. 
    For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.
    Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed. 
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    Uboat said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    golfaddick said:
    RedRobin said:
    A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management. 
    Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this. 

    I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing. 

    Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either. 
    For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.
    Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed. 
    In the Championship, loans apart?
  • RoanRedNY
    RoanRedNY Posts: 1,147
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Chunes said:
    14 days until the Spain training camp. No manager and 13 senior players. 
    That’s too many for five a side.
    Not if we want to put out a good 5

  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    I still have a feeling their is one more iron in the fire apart from Ben Garner.
    Yes, Jason Euell.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    Cafc43v3r said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    I still have a feeling their is one more iron in the fire apart from Ben Garner.
    Yes, Jason Euell.
    I don’t mean Jason.
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,485
    Jayajosh said:
    Chunes said:
    14 days until the Spain training camp. No manager and 13 senior players. 
    Yep, lessons not learned it seems.
    Could it be that lessons were learned, but other things dictate how long things can take when signing a new manager and shed load of players?
  • swordfish
    swordfish Posts: 4,234
    wmcf123 said:
    swordfish said:
    mart77 said:
    Chunes said:
    14 days until the Spain training camp. No manager and 13 senior players. 
    Isn’t the Spanish trip on the 25th?
    Yes but don't let the truth spoil the narrative.
    23 days until the Spanish trip and no manager and a p*ss poor squad .  Sorry for spoiling the narrative .
    Point taken. I just think it's early to be concluding lessons not learned. We were still signing players in August last year! I'm expecting confirmation of new manager next week, within the timeframe TS set.
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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Airman Brown said:
    Uboat said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    golfaddick said:
    RedRobin said:
    A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management. 
    Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this. 

    I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing. 

    Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either. 
    For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.
    Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed. 
    In the Championship, loans apart?
    Holmes, Taylor, Williams, JFC, Pratley (3 years younger) would have all improved us last season.........

    Even Magennis, Novak or Ajose might have been better than no one.
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,259
    swordfish said:
    Dave Rudd said:
    Airman Brown said:
    I expect Garner to be announced, probably next week. Failing that there is likely to be a public fall-out. Jackson’s higher compensation hinged on finishing eighth or higher, which was probably already impossible when he took over, although personally I think he is better off at AFCW.

    To offer some broader context a lot of the scepticism about TS is driven from within the club, playing side and non-playing side. There is certainly a private view of him among ex-pros that is much more sceptical than the public one.

    i don’t think anyone wants him to fail, still less be organising any opposition to him. I won’t be doing that regardless. But wanting him to succeed won’t make it happen.
    This is what I don't get.

    If Jackson had taken us from a relegation place to an 8th place (or higher) finish, why is compensation even relevant?  Did the contract really allow for a sacking under those circumstances?
    He was sacked 6 months into an 18 month contract and so was due compensation, the value of which would have been more if we'd finished 8th or better.

    I'm only interpreting what I've seen @Airman Brown state, which I think he based on Cawley's reporting. I'm not ITK BTW and have no connection to Charlton, other than suffering along with the rest of us since the 70's.
    Just a gloryboy then  :D
  • Bods64
    Bods64 Posts: 473
    After pages and pages of OCD oriented posts and “conspec” I do hope we find a manager….and soon! By the way OCD doesn’t stand for Obsessive Charlton Disorder 
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,259
    Jayajosh said:
    Chunes said:
    14 days until the Spain training camp. No manager and 13 senior players. 
    Yep, lessons not learned it seems.
    April 2023

    We learned our lesson in 2022 we'll begin the search for a new manager a lot earlier this year.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,349
    swordfish said:
    mart77 said:
    Chunes said:
    14 days until the Spain training camp. No manager and 13 senior players. 
    Isn’t the Spanish trip on the 25th?
    Yes but don't let the truth spoil the narrative.
    I looked at the article on the website and the first date I saw said it was in 14 days. But that's when they're back to training. Just a mistake.
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,824
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Airman Brown said:
    Uboat said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    golfaddick said:
    RedRobin said:
    A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management. 
    Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this. 

    I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing. 

    Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either. 
    For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.
    Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed. 
    In the Championship, loans apart?
    Holmes, Taylor, Williams, JFC, Pratley (3 years younger) would have all improved us last season.........

    Even Magennis, Novak or Ajose might have been better than no one.
    Dijksteel, Bauer.  There weren’t many but he gave us a squad that went up and if he hadn’t  sold, I’m sure we would have stayed up , albeit maybe only for one more season .  I am
    not condoning the criminal
    negligence/ apathy of the latter part of his ownership , nor the hideous interference of the first part but I’m not convinced by the new guy .  Being better than RD isn’t a high bar .  
  • kinveachyaddick
    kinveachyaddick Posts: 3,875
    Airman Brown said:
    Uboat said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    golfaddick said:
    RedRobin said:
    A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management. 
    Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this. 

    I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing. 

    Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either. 
    For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.
    Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed. 
    In the Championship, loans apart?
    Guomundsson surely? Prem quality player
    vetekole was class b4 his injury
    Ben Haim was getting on but a decent player 
  • AdTheAddicK
    AdTheAddicK Posts: 3,379
    Gudmundsson was on another level. My favorite player during RD days. 
  • CH4RLTON
    CH4RLTON Posts: 2,618
    kinveachyaddick said:
    Airman Brown said:
    Uboat said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    golfaddick said:
    RedRobin said:
    A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management. 
    Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this. 

    I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing. 

    Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either. 
    For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.
    Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed. 
    In the Championship, loans apart?
    Guomundsson surely? Prem quality player
    vetekole was class b4 his injury
    Ben Haim was getting on but a decent player 
    To be fair we were in Championship so obviously can attract better players than what thomas can now in league 1 , not really comparing apples with apples there tbh
  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,513
    kinveachyaddick said:
    Airman Brown said:
    Uboat said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    golfaddick said:
    RedRobin said:
    A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management. 
    Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this. 

    I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing. 

    Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either. 
    For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.
    Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed. 
    In the Championship, loans apart?
    Guomundsson surely? Prem quality player
    vetekole was class b4 his injury
    Ben Haim was getting on but a decent player 


    Bauer
    Diarra

    Another two there
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  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    kinveachyaddick said:
    Airman Brown said:
    Uboat said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    golfaddick said:
    RedRobin said:
    A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management. 
    Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this. 

    I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing. 

    Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either. 
    For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.
    Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed. 
    In the Championship, loans apart?
    Guomundsson surely? Prem quality player
    vetekole was class b4 his injury
    Ben Haim was getting on but a decent player 
    That's the point, we were in the Championship, so of course he signed better players than we have under TS.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    kinveachyaddick said:
    Airman Brown said:
    Uboat said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    golfaddick said:
    RedRobin said:
    A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management. 
    Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this. 

    I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing. 

    Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either. 
    For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.
    Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed. 
    In the Championship, loans apart?
    Guomundsson surely? Prem quality player
    vetekole was class b4 his injury
    Ben Haim was getting on but a decent player 
    Some, SOME, of the championship players we signed under RD were the best players we have had since the premiership years.  JBG, TBH, Buyens, Boulet, Igor, Diarra, BFG etc etc.  Some of them were total shit as well.

    We also signed some good players in league 1, but you could well argue that that was despite Roland and his set up.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Swisdom said:
    Remember the good ones RD signed for us - we are still paying for them with his ridiculously inflated valuation of the club

    he didn’t get them for us for nothing…

    We are run significantly more prudently right now. It may not be exciting for some but it’s a lot more sustainable
    Of course it's more sustainable, its only costing 8 million a year as opposed to the 10 it cost then........ 

    Thomas is just going to write it off it goes Pete tong?
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    Swisdom said:
    Remember the good ones RD signed for us - we are still paying for them with his ridiculously inflated valuation of the club

    he didn’t get them for us for nothing…

    We are run significantly more prudently right now. It may not be exciting for some but it’s a lot more sustainable
    It’s not, because we’re in L1. 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,766
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Swisdom said:
    Remember the good ones RD signed for us - we are still paying for them with his ridiculously inflated valuation of the club

    he didn’t get them for us for nothing…

    We are run significantly more prudently right now. It may not be exciting for some but it’s a lot more sustainable
    Of course it's more sustainable, its only costing 8 million a year as opposed to the 10 it cost then........ 

    Thomas is just going to write it off it goes Pete tong?
    Wouldn't he have to? He doesn't have the ground to hold onto like Roland did.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Callumcafc said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Swisdom said:
    Remember the good ones RD signed for us - we are still paying for them with his ridiculously inflated valuation of the club

    he didn’t get them for us for nothing…

    We are run significantly more prudently right now. It may not be exciting for some but it’s a lot more sustainable
    Of course it's more sustainable, its only costing 8 million a year as opposed to the 10 it cost then........ 

    Thomas is just going to write it off it goes Pete tong?
    Wouldn't he have to? He doesn't have the ground to hold onto like Roland did.
    Exactly, people band around words like sustainable and the like, but I can't see how it is anywhere near sustainable no matter how much you wish it to be true.  

    Especially as Thomas has a finite level of cash.

    The fact that that quote came from someone, I think we would all agree, that is at least somewhat successful in business makes me stratch my head.

    I know he is an optimistic guy, I know he has some interest, I know he believes in Thomas, but to claim its sustainable?  Really?
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,849
    Ormiston_Addick said:
    Airman Brown said:
    I expect Garner to be announced, probably next week. Failing that there is likely to be a public fall-out. Jackson’s higher compensation hinged on finishing eighth or higher, which was probably already impossible when he took over, although personally I think he is better off at AFCW.

    To offer some broader context a lot of the scepticism about TS is driven from within the club, playing side and non-playing side. There is certainly a private view of him among ex-pros that is much more sceptical than the public one.

    i don’t think anyone wants him to fail, still less be organising any opposition to him. I won’t be doing that regardless. But wanting him to succeed won’t make it happen.
    This is basically my view of it, Sandgaard is a nice guy and has the best of intentions but that doesn't mean he's going to run the club properly or effectively.

    I mean, I love wine and consider myself a very affable chap, but if you put me in charge of the Chateau Rothschild and let me run the place with zero experience and taking no advice from industry professionals then it won't be long before you're buying a bottle of Château Lafite for ten quid at Tescos rather than the current price of two thousand quid a bottle.

    The best managers appoint experienced and capable people and let THEM run the show, offering only a gentle hand on the shoulder when needed.

    Let's be honest folks, football is a cesspit of an industry and naïve arrivistes like Sandgaard, and before him Tony Fernandes at QPR, get their pants pulled down very quickly, something even Fernandes himself admits.

    Key quote from the article below: "There is no substitute to hard work, getting the right people and listening to them."

    https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/tony-fernandes-recalls-i-was-100-naive-early-days-qpr-shareholder-rare-warning-newcastle
    Mark Hulyer had good intentions when he took us over...

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