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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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If I wasn't so worried about all of this then it would be fairly amusing if we had Beale as the favourite, but lost him triggering a chain reaction which culminated in us losing Garner too...J BLOCK said:Blackpool now looking for a new manager.2 -
True, but I am a turncoat and proud.blackpool72 said:
Oi.cfgs said:
The evidence is to the contrary.blackpool72 said:
I can manage myself thanksJ BLOCK said:Blackpool now looking for a new manager.
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Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed.Garrymanilow said:
For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.golfaddick said:
Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this.RedRobin said:A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management.
I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing.
Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either.4 -
In the Championship, loans apart?Uboat said:
Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed.Garrymanilow said:
For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.golfaddick said:
Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this.RedRobin said:A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management.
I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing.
Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either.3 -
Not if we want to put out a good 5ShootersHillGuru said:
That’s too many for five a side.Chunes said:14 days until the Spain training camp. No manager and 13 senior players.
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Yes, Jason Euell.ShootersHillGuru said:I still have a feeling their is one more iron in the fire apart from Ben Garner.1 -
I don’t mean Jason.Cafc43v3r said:
Yes, Jason Euell.ShootersHillGuru said:I still have a feeling their is one more iron in the fire apart from Ben Garner.1 -
Point taken. I just think it's early to be concluding lessons not learned. We were still signing players in August last year! I'm expecting confirmation of new manager next week, within the timeframe TS set.wmcf123 said:
23 days until the Spanish trip and no manager and a p*ss poor squad . Sorry for spoiling the narrative .swordfish said:0 -
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Holmes, Taylor, Williams, JFC, Pratley (3 years younger) would have all improved us last season.........Airman Brown said:
In the Championship, loans apart?Uboat said:
Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed.Garrymanilow said:
For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.golfaddick said:
Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this.RedRobin said:A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management.
I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing.
Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either.
Even Magennis, Novak or Ajose might have been better than no one.1 -
Just a gloryboy thenswordfish said:
He was sacked 6 months into an 18 month contract and so was due compensation, the value of which would have been more if we'd finished 8th or better.Dave Rudd said:
This is what I don't get.Airman Brown said:I expect Garner to be announced, probably next week. Failing that there is likely to be a public fall-out. Jackson’s higher compensation hinged on finishing eighth or higher, which was probably already impossible when he took over, although personally I think he is better off at AFCW.To offer some broader context a lot of the scepticism about TS is driven from within the club, playing side and non-playing side. There is certainly a private view of him among ex-pros that is much more sceptical than the public one.
i don’t think anyone wants him to fail, still less be organising any opposition to him. I won’t be doing that regardless. But wanting him to succeed won’t make it happen.
If Jackson had taken us from a relegation place to an 8th place (or higher) finish, why is compensation even relevant? Did the contract really allow for a sacking under those circumstances?
I'm only interpreting what I've seen @Airman Brown state, which I think he based on Cawley's reporting. I'm not ITK BTW and have no connection to Charlton, other than suffering along with the rest of us since the 70's.
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After pages and pages of OCD oriented posts and “conspec” I do hope we find a manager….and soon! By the way OCD doesn’t stand for Obsessive Charlton Disorder0
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I looked at the article on the website and the first date I saw said it was in 14 days. But that's when they're back to training. Just a mistake.swordfish said:
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Dijksteel, Bauer. There weren’t many but he gave us a squad that went up and if he hadn’t sold, I’m sure we would have stayed up , albeit maybe only for one more season . I amCafc43v3r said:
Holmes, Taylor, Williams, JFC, Pratley (3 years younger) would have all improved us last season.........Airman Brown said:
In the Championship, loans apart?Uboat said:
Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed.Garrymanilow said:
For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.golfaddick said:
Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this.RedRobin said:A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management.
I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing.
Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either.
Even Magennis, Novak or Ajose might have been better than no one.
not condoning the criminal
negligence/ apathy of the latter part of his ownership , nor the hideous interference of the first part but I’m not convinced by the new guy . Being better than RD isn’t a high bar .2 -
Guomundsson surely? Prem quality playerAirman Brown said:
In the Championship, loans apart?Uboat said:
Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed.Garrymanilow said:
For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.golfaddick said:
Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this.RedRobin said:A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management.
I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing.
Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either.
vetekole was class b4 his injury
Ben Haim was getting on but a decent player7 -
Gudmundsson was on another level. My favorite player during RD days.19
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To be fair we were in Championship so obviously can attract better players than what thomas can now in league 1 , not really comparing apples with apples there tbhkinveachyaddick said:
Guomundsson surely? Prem quality playerAirman Brown said:
In the Championship, loans apart?Uboat said:
Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed.Garrymanilow said:
For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.golfaddick said:
Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this.RedRobin said:A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management.
I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing.
Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either.
vetekole was class b4 his injury
Ben Haim was getting on but a decent player2 -
kinveachyaddick said:
Guomundsson surely? Prem quality playerAirman Brown said:
In the Championship, loans apart?Uboat said:
Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed.Garrymanilow said:
For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.golfaddick said:
Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this.RedRobin said:A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management.
I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing.
Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either.
vetekole was class b4 his injury
Ben Haim was getting on but a decent player
Bauer
Diarra
Another two there0 -
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That's the point, we were in the Championship, so of course he signed better players than we have under TS.kinveachyaddick said:
Guomundsson surely? Prem quality playerAirman Brown said:
In the Championship, loans apart?Uboat said:
Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed.Garrymanilow said:
For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.golfaddick said:
Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this.RedRobin said:A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management.
I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing.
Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either.
vetekole was class b4 his injury
Ben Haim was getting on but a decent player7 -
Some, SOME, of the championship players we signed under RD were the best players we have had since the premiership years. JBG, TBH, Buyens, Boulet, Igor, Diarra, BFG etc etc. Some of them were total shit as well.kinveachyaddick said:
Guomundsson surely? Prem quality playerAirman Brown said:
In the Championship, loans apart?Uboat said:
Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed.Garrymanilow said:
For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.golfaddick said:
Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this.RedRobin said:A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management.
I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing.
Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either.
vetekole was class b4 his injury
Ben Haim was getting on but a decent player
We also signed some good players in league 1, but you could well argue that that was despite Roland and his set up.1 -
Remember the good ones RD signed for us - we are still paying for them with his ridiculously inflated valuation of the club
he didn’t get them for us for nothing…
We are run significantly more prudently right now. It may not be exciting for some but it’s a lot more sustainable20 -
Of course it's more sustainable, its only costing 8 million a year as opposed to the 10 it cost then........Swisdom said:Remember the good ones RD signed for us - we are still paying for them with his ridiculously inflated valuation of the club
he didn’t get them for us for nothing…
We are run significantly more prudently right now. It may not be exciting for some but it’s a lot more sustainable
Thomas is just going to write it off it goes Pete tong?1 -
It’s not, because we’re in L1.Swisdom said:Remember the good ones RD signed for us - we are still paying for them with his ridiculously inflated valuation of the club
he didn’t get them for us for nothing…
We are run significantly more prudently right now. It may not be exciting for some but it’s a lot more sustainable5 -
Wouldn't he have to? He doesn't have the ground to hold onto like Roland did.Cafc43v3r said:
Of course it's more sustainable, its only costing 8 million a year as opposed to the 10 it cost then........Swisdom said:Remember the good ones RD signed for us - we are still paying for them with his ridiculously inflated valuation of the club
he didn’t get them for us for nothing…
We are run significantly more prudently right now. It may not be exciting for some but it’s a lot more sustainable
Thomas is just going to write it off it goes Pete tong?2 -
Exactly, people band around words like sustainable and the like, but I can't see how it is anywhere near sustainable no matter how much you wish it to be true.Callumcafc said:
Wouldn't he have to? He doesn't have the ground to hold onto like Roland did.Cafc43v3r said:
Of course it's more sustainable, its only costing 8 million a year as opposed to the 10 it cost then........Swisdom said:Remember the good ones RD signed for us - we are still paying for them with his ridiculously inflated valuation of the club
he didn’t get them for us for nothing…
We are run significantly more prudently right now. It may not be exciting for some but it’s a lot more sustainable
Thomas is just going to write it off it goes Pete tong?
Especially as Thomas has a finite level of cash.
The fact that that quote came from someone, I think we would all agree, that is at least somewhat successful in business makes me stratch my head.
I know he is an optimistic guy, I know he has some interest, I know he believes in Thomas, but to claim its sustainable? Really?1 -
Given that TS isn't evidently flying in until Monday - so no manager announcement until then at the very earliest....could I drop in this tangent to while away the time.....?
It's just that it illustrates graphically the kind of craziness which seems to possess owners of football clubs when they start to doubt their own employees and begin to introduce friends or family members into the set up.
In 2013 the owner of Cardiff City, Vincent Tan, brought his son to the Welsh Club simply to 'hang out' there and take the temperature of the club.' Tan junior thought it would be a good idea, literally, to give the ground a new lick of paint during the close season. Step forward friend of the young Tan one Alisher Apsalyamov a 23 year old East European student hired as a painter and decorator on a 'work experience' basis.
Alisher Apsalyamov (AA for short) happened to mention to Tan (during his tea break?) that he had watched some of Cardiff's then Premiership games on TV and he had a few ideas on how to improve the team. This was good enough for Tan who suspended his head of player recruitment Ian Moody and got AA down off his ladder, promoting him into Moody's position.
A club spokesman at the time said: Apsalyamov's role will be to focus on gathering data on individual players and he will be responsible for the January transfer window.*
Any resemblance to similar events at Charlton Athletic FC either now or in the past is entirely coincidental.
*Aspsalyamov left Cardiff City one week before the January transfer window having failed to obtain a work permit. It is not known whether he recommended any players to Cardiff City or whether he finished his paintwork.
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This is basically my view of it, Sandgaard is a nice guy and has the best of intentions but that doesn't mean he's going to run the club properly or effectively.Airman Brown said:I expect Garner to be announced, probably next week. Failing that there is likely to be a public fall-out. Jackson’s higher compensation hinged on finishing eighth or higher, which was probably already impossible when he took over, although personally I think he is better off at AFCW.To offer some broader context a lot of the scepticism about TS is driven from within the club, playing side and non-playing side. There is certainly a private view of him among ex-pros that is much more sceptical than the public one.
i don’t think anyone wants him to fail, still less be organising any opposition to him. I won’t be doing that regardless. But wanting him to succeed won’t make it happen.
I mean, I love wine and consider myself a very affable chap, but if you put me in charge of the Chateau Rothschild and let me run the place with zero experience and taking no advice from industry professionals then it won't be long before you're buying a bottle of Château Lafite for ten quid at Tescos rather than the current price of two thousand quid a bottle.
The best managers appoint experienced and capable people and let THEM run the show, offering only a gentle hand on the shoulder when needed.
Let's be honest folks, football is a cesspit of an industry and naïve arrivistes like Sandgaard, and before him Tony Fernandes at QPR, get their pants pulled down very quickly, something even Fernandes himself admits.
Key quote from the article below: "There is no substitute to hard work, getting the right people and listening to them."
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/tony-fernandes-recalls-i-was-100-naive-early-days-qpr-shareholder-rare-warning-newcastle
The problem is that folks like Sandgaard, as nice as he may be, has made a couple of hundred millions dollars in medical devices running things HIS way, so will take some convincing that this approach is not going to work in football and that he needs to listen to others and let them run the show.
Sadly, I think we are going to have to go through a fair bit of pain before that happens.36 -
Mark Hulyer had good intentions when he took us over...Ormiston_Addick said:
This is basically my view of it, Sandgaard is a nice guy and has the best of intentions but that doesn't mean he's going to run the club properly or effectively.Airman Brown said:I expect Garner to be announced, probably next week. Failing that there is likely to be a public fall-out. Jackson’s higher compensation hinged on finishing eighth or higher, which was probably already impossible when he took over, although personally I think he is better off at AFCW.To offer some broader context a lot of the scepticism about TS is driven from within the club, playing side and non-playing side. There is certainly a private view of him among ex-pros that is much more sceptical than the public one.
i don’t think anyone wants him to fail, still less be organising any opposition to him. I won’t be doing that regardless. But wanting him to succeed won’t make it happen.
I mean, I love wine and consider myself a very affable chap, but if you put me in charge of the Chateau Rothschild and let me run the place with zero experience and taking no advice from industry professionals then it won't be long before you're buying a bottle of Château Lafite for ten quid at Tescos rather than the current price of two thousand quid a bottle.
The best managers appoint experienced and capable people and let THEM run the show, offering only a gentle hand on the shoulder when needed.
Let's be honest folks, football is a cesspit of an industry and naïve arrivistes like Sandgaard, and before him Tony Fernandes at QPR, get their pants pulled down very quickly, something even Fernandes himself admits.
Key quote from the article below: "There is no substitute to hard work, getting the right people and listening to them."
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/tony-fernandes-recalls-i-was-100-naive-early-days-qpr-shareholder-rare-warning-newcastle10
