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Ha!Ha! Had forgotten all about this! A "classic", which is so indicative of the "plastic football" encouraged by the Premiership and EFL. Reminded me, the "AA for short", need to be held at arms length if their "approved dealer" scam is still operating. Six weeks in, it breaks down bigtime. £1400 lost, and two months later, I finally get it back. These people need to stick to breakdowns, at which they seem reasonably good. They should take their snouts out of other "areas of opportunity". Rather like many who destroy football clubs.Coyotejohn1947 said:Given that TS isn't evidently flying in until Monday - so no manager announcement until then at the very earliest....could I drop in this tangent to while away the time.....?
It's just that it illustrates graphically the kind of craziness which seems to possess owners of football clubs when they start to doubt their own employees and begin to introduce friends or family members into the set up.
In 2013 the owner of Cardiff City, Vincent Tan, brought his son to the Welsh Club simply to 'hang out' there and take the temperature of the club.' Tan junior thought it would be a good idea, literally, to give the ground a new lick of paint during the close season. Step forward friend of the young Tan one Alisher Apsalyamov a 23 year old East European student hired as a painter and decorator on a 'work experience' basis.
Alisher Apsalyamov (AA for short) happened to mention to Tan (during his tea break?) that he had watched some of Cardiff's then Premiership games on TV and he had a few ideas on how to improve the team. This was good enough for Tan who suspended his head of player recruitment Ian Moody and got AA down off his ladder, promoting him into Moody's position.
A club spokesman at the time said: Apsalyamov's role will be to focus on gathering data on individual players and he will be responsible for the January transfer window.*
Any resemblance to similar events at Charlton Athletic FC either now or in the past is entirely coincidental.
*Aspsalyamov left Cardiff City one week before the January transfer window having failed to obtain a work permit. It is not known whether he recommended any players to Cardiff City or whether he finished his paintwork.0 -
Thomas Sandgaard is an American businessman. Generally speaking their capabilities are outweighed by their ambition. It is an accepted way of operating in the US. You set unrealistic targets - playing in Europe, Premier League in 5 years etc.. UK culture doesn’t really work like this - generally we think when people say things it’s going to happen or at least have a realistic chance of making it happen.5
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Interesting. Got any actual examples to support your opinion?alburyaddick said:Thomas Sandgaard is an American businessman. Generally speaking their capabilities are outweighed by their ambition. It is an accepted way of operating in the US. You set unrealistic targets - playing in Europe, Premier League in 5 years etc.. UK culture doesn’t really work like this - generally we think when people say things it’s going to happen or at least have a realistic chance of making it happen.
Besides, I though Thomas was Danish.
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But he still has to cough up 8 million. Do you understand what 'Write off' actually means?Cafc43v3r said:
Of course it's more sustainable, its only costing 8 million a year as opposed to the 10 it cost then........Swisdom said:Remember the good ones RD signed for us - we are still paying for them with his ridiculously inflated valuation of the club
he didn’t get them for us for nothing…
We are run significantly more prudently right now. It may not be exciting for some but it’s a lot more sustainable
Thomas is just going to write it off it goes Pete tong?1 -
I could see this a mile off. Classic case of somebody thinking he is cleverer than he is. I don't mean generally, I'm sure he is very talented when it it comes to other things as his wealh testifies to, but football is different. If you own a club, it is all about getting the right people in working for you but there has to be a lot of trial and error involved. Then when you have it, you back them. Knowing what you don't know is such a quality or having the money to throw at it all where it doesn't matter.
Any manager could still be a success. I'm sure Fraeye won't be appointed. But ultimately, the managers available to us represent no less risk than JJ except that he knew the strengths and weaknesses of what we have far better and he would have been having the conversations and planning weeks ago. If there was something Sandgaard was not happy about JJ that we don't know, fair enough, then you have Euell. In our modern history, we have always succeeded in giving somebody a chance who has subsequently run with it. Curbs and Bowyer were appointed largely because we didn't want to or couldn't spend money on anybody else. Powell was totally unproven as a manger but much loved. And all the peope who know so much about football don't get how being much loved does add to your chances for a number of reasons if you have the other qualities to.
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So if Sandgaard is here next week, I wonder if he's coming to Download festival?4
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I think Sandgaard regards himself as a latter day Walter Raleigh. He'll (metaphorically speaking) finish his game of bowls before attending business.
Raleigh had a measure of success before a brief imprisonment and speedy execution. His last words were to his executioner, words that are uttered time and again at the Valley. "Strike man, strike!"
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Surprise headlinerDazzler21 said:So if Sandgaard is here next week, I wonder if he's coming to Download festival?0 -
All these business experts, great to see the minds of Harvard Business school here11
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Nah, that’s where we are getting our players!!😂RickAddick said:
Can I read into this that the next manager will have previously managed at Primark?AFKABartram said:Bumped into Thomas in Primark, he said he was going to announce a manager today but thought best to hold off out of respect for Her Majesty. We shook hands and sang two verses of God Save The Queen, which everyone in Primark stopped in their tracks and joined in. Was quite moving tbh and goes better with the electric guitar than I realised.
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It appears you don't understand.Major said:
But he still has to cough up 8 million. Do you understand what 'Write off' actually means?Cafc43v3r said:
Of course it's more sustainable, its only costing 8 million a year as opposed to the 10 it cost then........Swisdom said:Remember the good ones RD signed for us - we are still paying for them with his ridiculously inflated valuation of the club
he didn’t get them for us for nothing…
We are run significantly more prudently right now. It may not be exciting for some but it’s a lot more sustainable
Thomas is just going to write it off it goes Pete tong?0 -
More like Walter MittyRaith_C_Chattonell said:I think Sandgaard regards himself as a latter day Walter Raleigh. He'll (metaphorically speaking) finish his game of bowls before attending business.
Raleigh had a measure of success before a brief imprisonment and speedy execution. His last words were to his executioner, words that are uttered time and again at the Valley. "Strike man, strike!"2 -
How dare football fans have an opinion on their club.Rothko said:All these business experts, great to see the minds of Harvard Business school here4 -
He operates his business in the USA and will no doubt affect US business practise. By the way, I can give you quite a few examples but it would be boring. Probably the biggest in terms of scale was when I was a Divisional CEO of a Public Company. It was 50% owned by famous US investors. One of them came over to give a speech at our employee conference and stood on the podium and told everyone that we would have a market valuation of £1bn within 3 years when all of us running the business knew that was impossible and we operated wholly in the UK and prior to the speech he hadn’t discussed this with us. We never got past £300m.Major said:
Interesting. Got any actual examples to support your opinion?alburyaddick said:Thomas Sandgaard is an American businessman. Generally speaking their capabilities are outweighed by their ambition. It is an accepted way of operating in the US. You set unrealistic targets - playing in Europe, Premier League in 5 years etc.. UK culture doesn’t really work like this - generally we think when people say things it’s going to happen or at least have a realistic chance of making it happen.
Besides, I though Thomas was Danish.
Just to clarify, I am grateful to TS for saving the club and I am supportive of him but the mistakes are starting to mount up and we need to stay realistic.2 -
Your sarcasm actually makes the underlining point though.Rothko said:All these business experts, great to see the minds of Harvard Business school here
Most on here don't have the requisite insight, acumen and expertise to run a business in the manner of a Harvard Business School grad without expert assistance and guidance and would likely bumble through making material mistakes at the expense of the business' potential for success.
Similar to owning a football club with absolutely no experience or acumen for doing so without getting a good level of knowledge and experience on board to advise.16 -
I’m really glad someone brought this up.Coyotejohn1947 said:Given that TS isn't evidently flying in until Monday - so no manager announcement until then at the very earliest....could I drop in this tangent to while away the time.....?
It's just that it illustrates graphically the kind of craziness which seems to possess owners of football clubs when they start to doubt their own employees and begin to introduce friends or family members into the set up.
In 2013 the owner of Cardiff City, Vincent Tan, brought his son to the Welsh Club simply to 'hang out' there and take the temperature of the club.' Tan junior thought it would be a good idea, literally, to give the ground a new lick of paint during the close season. Step forward friend of the young Tan one Alisher Apsalyamov a 23 year old East European student hired as a painter and decorator on a 'work experience' basis.
Alisher Apsalyamov (AA for short) happened to mention to Tan (during his tea break?) that he had watched some of Cardiff's then Premiership games on TV and he had a few ideas on how to improve the team. This was good enough for Tan who suspended his head of player recruitment Ian Moody and got AA down off his ladder, promoting him into Moody's position.
A club spokesman at the time said: Apsalyamov's role will be to focus on gathering data on individual players and he will be responsible for the January transfer window.*
Any resemblance to similar events at Charlton Athletic FC either now or in the past is entirely coincidental.
*Aspsalyamov left Cardiff City one week before the January transfer window having failed to obtain a work permit. It is not known whether he recommended any players to Cardiff City or whether he finished his paintwork.
My bestie is Cardiff.
All that seems to be happening at CAFC does have a familiar ring to it.0 -
Pipers and tunes.0
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The quid pro quo for Thomas Sandgaard arriving and cleansing the stench left by Southall and co is he is a hands on owner.
Once his eyes and ears left, Ged Roddy, Martin Sandgaard became that person even if his Job is about recruitment.
Charlton are becoming entrenched in the 3rd tier and I don't believe the majority of cafc fan/critics will give any manager the time he needs to put his identity on the team.
We have seen over the years at many clubs having Business acumen doesn't always dovetail with Football acumen.
The paradox is we need a strong character as a manager and I'm not convinced that the remit from Thomas Sandgaard will allow that as he said he needs to hire someone he has a good relationship with. Of course, but it feels like it will be one sided.
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Maybe, but all the Pseudo psychology about Sandgaard or the 2,500 word wannabe James O’Brien polemics about this that and the other aren’t changing where we are, or peoples views.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Your sarcasm actually makes the underlining point though.Rothko said:All these business experts, great to see the minds of Harvard Business school here
Most on here don't have the requisite insight, acumen and expertise to run a business in the manner of a Harvard Business School grad without expert assistance and guidance and would likely bumble through making material mistakes at the expense of the business' potential for success.
Similar to owning a football club with absolutely no experience or acumen for doing so without getting a good level of knowledge and experience on board to advise.2 - Sponsored links:
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Whoops, I seem to have stumbled onto the TS thread.
Does anyone know where the new manager thread went?13 -
For me, TS has made many a mistake, and has an ego the size of the moon, he is a very successful businessman and I no doubt he made many a mistake in his business life prior to becoming very wealthy. Will he learn from his mistakes and help turn our club around, only time will tell, but the facts are he’s the owner so he makes all the big decisions, hopefully decisions based on what he has learnt about owning an English football club, the people & fans around him + skills he obviously has. People like him don’t accept failure so I just hope going forward he has a team around him, making the right decisions, with possible £ backers to move the club forward.
I thought the timing of the JJ sacking was a strange one, but I like the idea of bringing in someone with no past connection to the club and play an attacking formation that suits the squad we have (we do need to recruit), a mixture of youth and experienced players who are more than capable of playing in the 3rd tier with talent to play in the 2nd tier with the right coaching team developing them. I hope our next manager is able to do this, as well as having a decent player budget. Garner for me would be a very good appointment.
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So I messaged TS and said can you give me the initials of the new manager and he replied FU. I'm still trying to work out who it is.17
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Mr. Sandgaard, gave us a dream(bung, bung, bung, bung)Doesn’t appear what we thought it would seem(bung, bung, bung, bung)Plays the guitar like Guns and Rose(bung, bung, bung, bung)Yet makes it so unclear what he proposesMr. Sandgaard, you haven’t shown(bung, bung, bung, bung)What you intend, or where this is goin’Turn on son’s magic beam,Mr. Sandgaard give us a dream(bung, bung, bung, bung, bung, bung,bung, bung, bung, bung, bung, bung, bung…)Mr. Sandgaard, bring us a dreamThe cutest manager we’ve ever seenWho stops us being an easy rolloverWho give up playing once the first half’s overMr. Sandgaard, that’s why we moanDon’t want no sick notes, or “has beans” on loanDuchatelet’s obscene,You ain’t been here, seen what we’ve seenMr Sandgaard, (yes) help build a teamPlease let us in on your cunning schemeSomeone like Kermogant, Hales or Mendonca?Or are we signing yet another Plonker?Mr Sandgaard it’s time to getSomeone to find the back of the netMeantime the fans will screamMr Sandgaard bring us a dream1
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Maybe this club legend is returning as player manager, a bit young though, Frederick Ulvestad.Return of the SE7 said:So I messaged TS and said can you give me the initials of the new manager and he replied FU. I'm still trying to work out who it is.12 -
If it helps, once you start realising that every thread is just the constant whining thread all the tangents have less of a negative effect on youRedrobo said:Whoops, I seem to have stumbled onto the TS thread.
Does anyone know where the new manager thread went?19 -
On the footballing side of operations, I know we need a manager/head coach and enough players to a build a promotion chasing squad, and I'm sure that's where the focus is at present, but do we also need a Director of Football too do you think?
It could be the reason Ben Chorley resigned from Swindon, to join Ben Garner and his assistants, assuming they're coming here, or do I remember seeing that dismissed as an unrelated coincidence by TS earlier in the week?On the non footballing side, the last couple of appointments made since April, Brian Jokat as COO, and Ron Dangerfield as the new Club Secretary, do seem to have experience of sports/football administration so I assume they're working to try and improve things behind the scenes, if that's what's needed.
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I find it difficult to understand why the Swindon Chairman cannot shed any light on his own manager’s position for legal reason. He either employs the man or he does not. What legal reasons can hinder his own football club from making a comment on their own employees. Looking forward to any explanations!1
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Nah, that’s where we are getting our players!!😂RickAddick said:
Can I read into this that the next manager will have previously managed at Primark?AFKABartram said:Bumped into Thomas in Primark, he said he was going to announce a manager today but thought best to hold off out of respect for Her Majesty. We shook hands and sang two verses of God Save The Queen, which everyone in Primark stopped in their tracks and joined in. Was quite moving tbh and goes better with the electric guitar than I realised.
Or Poundland?
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Plenty of people including quite a few on this site think football in England is broken. I’m one of them. The pyramid of money is ludicrously skewed. Footballers in the top two divisions at least get paid far too much. By that I mean average players not the very few elites and beyond their actual worth to the club. Agents bleed too much money out of the sport and things like loyalty and players hanging around for best part of their careers at one club are rare. The ordinary fan, certainly in the PL is being priced out of attending. Imagine being an Arsenal fan with two boys to take. Everything is about money, money money. The beautiful game in a holistic way has suffered. I think there have been people who have tried to buck the system in the way they run their clubs and tried to do things “their way” I think Thomas could well be one of those. Unfortunately the system and football establishment is stacked heavily against anyone daring to attempt something different. My guess is that eventually TS will be beaten into recognition that only conformity works and will at that point either succumb to the weight of pressure to conform or decide to sell up. I still love watching the 90 minutes but pretty much everything in football outside of that I’ve grown to detest. Every season I find something to make me fall out of love with football just a little bit more. No idea where my tipping point is.MuttleyCAFC said:I could see this a mile off. Classic case of somebody thinking he is cleverer than he is. I don't mean generally, I'm sure he is very talented when it it comes to other things as his wealh testifies to, but football is different. If you own a club, it is all about getting the right people in working for you but there has to be a lot of trial and error involved. Then when you have it, you back them. Knowing what you don't know is such a quality or having the money to throw at it all where it doesn't matter.
Any manager could still be a success. I'm sure Fraeye won't be appointed. But ultimately, the managers available to us represent no less risk than JJ except that he knew the strengths and weaknesses of what we have far better and he would have been having the conversations and planning weeks ago. If there was something Sandgaard was not happy about JJ that we don't know, fair enough, then you have Euell. In our modern history, we have always succeeded in giving somebody a chance who has subsequently run with it. Curbs and Bowyer were appointed largely because we didn't want to or couldn't spend money on anybody else. Powell was totally unproven as a manger but much loved. And all the peope who know so much about football don't get how being much loved does add to your chances for a number of reasons if you have the other qualities to.27
