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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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They wouldn’t pay what Douchbag wanted.CH4RLTON said:
Great post but cant help but feel as Charlton why couldnt Barcly and Varney got the gig , someone who actually cares about the club as much as themselvesSillybilly said:As an ex communications specialist (I.e. one of my areas of expertise was communications as opposed to I go round warding off evil spirits), I do just wonder if TS has played a blinder here. It has been Ben wots is name for weeks but TS has put it out there so that what would have been a very underwhelming appointment ends up getting welcomed like the messiah. Maybe not but he’s not as daft as some are making out.
I also do think that our keyboard warriors who are lambasting TS on twatter etc need to be careful what they wish for. TS has clearly got a lot wrong and is eccentric to put it mildly. But there will not be a queue of buyers if he gets out of the wrong side of bed one morning with the fragrant Rayleen on his case and reads the wrong comment and decides to write off his losses (which he could easily do). Any assets worthy of the name are still in the hands of the Belgian twunt. I’m in despair as much as the next guy and gal but this is a whole lot better than what we faced in the last days of ESI. I cling to at least a little hope that things will pick up. I’m certainly not a TS apologist. His halo has certainly slipped a bit. But he’s what we’ve got for the moment and the alternatives are few and probably unpalatable.
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Barclay wouldn't buy without the assets.7
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SensibleCovered End said:Barclay wouldn't buy without the assets.0 -
Getting out of bed with Rayleenalburyaddick said:
Totally agreeSillybilly said:As an ex communications specialist (I.e. one of my areas of expertise was communications as opposed to I go round warding off evil spirits), I do just wonder if TS has played a blinder here. It has been Ben wots is name for weeks but TS has put it out there so that what would have been a very underwhelming appointment ends up getting welcomed like the messiah. Maybe not but he’s not as daft as some are making out.
I also do think that our keyboard warriors who are lambasting TS on twatter etc need to be careful what they wish for. TS has clearly got a lot wrong and is eccentric to put it mildly. But there will not be a queue of buyers if he gets out of the wrong side of bed one morning with the fragrant Rayleen on his case and reads the wrong comment and decides to write off his losses (which he could easily do). Any assets worthy of the name are still in the hands of the Belgian twunt. I’m in despair as much as the next guy and gal but this is a whole lot better than what we faced in the last days of ESI. I cling to at least a little hope that things will pick up. I’m certainly not a TS apologist. His halo has certainly slipped a bit. But he’s what we’ve got for the moment and the alternatives are few and probably unpalatable.
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I would like to see TS with his shirt off striking a large gong to announce the new manager.8
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Page 219 - and no manager news yet and we haven’t sold Stockley, so will just say the Dutch look somewhat back to their best and a little worrying for the WC. Making Belgium look very poor.1
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Give it timegrumpyaddick said:I would like to see TS with his shirt off striking a large gong to announce the new manager.
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grumpyaddick said:I would like to see TS with his shirt off striking a large gong to announce the new manager.
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grumpyaddick said:I would like to see TS with his family pants off striking a large gong to announce the new manager.
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Perhaps TS has a get-out, being based in the US, but I suspect he would find it difficult to extract himself from Charlton without addressing at least some of the liabilities he has taken on - player contracts, rent to RD until 2035 and, especially, the £7m in ex-director loans.Sillybilly said:As an ex communications specialist (I.e. one of my areas of expertise was communications as opposed to I go round warding off evil spirits), I do just wonder if TS has played a blinder here. It has been Ben wots is name for weeks but TS has put it out there so that what would have been a very underwhelming appointment ends up getting welcomed like the messiah. Maybe not but he’s not as daft as some are making out.
I also do think that our keyboard warriors who are lambasting TS on twatter etc need to be careful what they wish for. TS has clearly got a lot wrong and is eccentric to put it mildly. But there will not be a queue of buyers if he gets out of the wrong side of bed one morning with the fragrant Rayleen on his case and reads the wrong comment and decides to write off his losses (which he could easily do). Any assets worthy of the name are still in the hands of the Belgian twunt. I’m in despair as much as the next guy and gal but this is a whole lot better than what we faced in the last days of ESI. I cling to at least a little hope that things will pick up. I’m certainly not a TS apologist. His halo has certainly slipped a bit. But he’s what we’ve got for the moment and the alternatives are few and probably unpalatable.As you say, he might well struggle to find a buyer as there is currently nothing tangible to sell, but I’m not clear he can just walk away from all those commitments, even if he felt like it.4 - Sponsored links:
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Prolly bought a small island, amount you charged for Doritos and bags-a-popcorn.....Gribbo said:
Are you Clive Blockbuster?supaclive said:If you want a business analogy, I own a very famous film distribution company.
It has previously been owned by
a) An A lister who used it to release his own films when he was the world's biggest actor;
b) before Jeff Bezos and Elan Musk and Bill Gates, the wealthiest businessman in the world; and
c) a very wealthy economist
None of them sadly had any actual film sales and distribution experience. The company went "bust" 3 times in 17 years. A bank gave it to me to stop it going bust a fourth time.
I have a good sales and distribution reputation. I understand the economics of film distribution - like the football world, you can spend masses of money and spunk it up the wall.
After 2 1/2 years the bank were fully repaid and the business was owned fully by me. 2 years further on, it has a positive balance sheet for the first time in 21 years.
The bank asked me to help them.
Thomas is the bank. He needs experienced football people he can trust to run the club. The right people in the right jobs.
With the freedom to operate.
I can tell you from my own personal experience, that until he does that. It won't work. Ever.3 -
Sillybilly said:As an ex communications specialist (I.e. one of my areas of expertise was communications as opposed to I go round warding off evil spirits), I do just wonder if TS has played a blinder here. It has been Ben wots is name for weeks but TS has put it out there so that what would have been a very underwhelming appointment ends up getting welcomed like the messiah. Maybe not but he’s not as daft as some are making out.
I also do think that our keyboard warriors who are lambasting TS on twatter etc need to be careful what they wish for. TS has clearly got a lot wrong and is eccentric to put it mildly. But there will not be a queue of buyers if he gets out of the wrong side of bed one morning with the fragrant Rayleen on his case and reads the wrong comment and decides to write off his losses (which he could easily do). Any assets worthy of the name are still in the hands of the Belgian twunt. I’m in despair as much as the next guy and gal but this is a whole lot better than what we faced in the last days of ESI. I cling to at least a little hope that things will pick up. I’m certainly not a TS apologist. His halo has certainly slipped a bit. But he’s what we’ve got for the moment and the alternatives are few and probably unpalatable.0 -
I still hope it's Warburton, think he'd be a great choice to get us out of this league3
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Yes I am.masicat said:
Are you SP ?supaclive said:If you want a business analogy, I own a very famous film distribution company.
It has previously been owned by
a) An A lister who used it to release his own films when he was the world's biggest actor;
b) before Jeff Bezos and Elan Musk and Bill Gates, the wealthiest businessman in the world; and
c) a very wealthy economist
None of them sadly had any actual film sales and distribution experience. The company went "bust" 3 times in 17 years. A bank gave it to me to stop it going bust a fourth time.
I have a good sales and distribution reputation. I understand the economics of film distribution - like the football world, you can spend masses of money and spunk it up the wall.
After 2 1/2 years the bank were fully repaid and the business was owned fully by me. 2 years further on, it has a positive balance sheet for the first time in 21 years.
The bank asked me to help them.
Thomas is the bank. He needs experienced football people he can trust to run the club. The right people in the right jobs.
With the freedom to operate.
I can tell you from my own personal experience, that until he does that. It won't work. Ever.0 -
Sounds a bit Rankgrumpyaddick said:I would like to see TS with his shirt off striking a large gong to announce the new manager.11 -
Thought my laptop had packed up, nothing overnight from the insomniacs out there last night!!...., I'll turn out the lights and lock up till Monday eh..
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Well said. It may just be where I am at but this choked me up a bit.seth plum said:I remember Lyle Taylor saying like it or not footballers are a 'brand', and that 'I know my worth'.
What he didn't say much about was that football is a team sport, and that somebody has to be prepared to pay you.
There has been talk on here about Ben Chorley. Now he as a youngster was at Arsenal, and determined to be a professional footballer.
481 games later it proved to be true, but what is impressive is that after being let go by Arsenal, he wasn't too proud to play for Tranmere, Stevenage and Leyton Orient amongst others. I think he was somebody who simply wanted to play, and always be involved in football wherever it took him. Not a person concerned about his 'brand', and he was prepared to accept that his 'worth' was wherever he could get a gig.
I think at this period of his career he is steeped in football for its own sake and for the love of the game. He was also a determined and focused player, the last time I saw him play live was when Leyton Orient beat us 1-0 at the Valley.
So the talk above about some footballers being a bit precious and up themselves resonates a bit, because the leagues also have people like Ben Chorley, Andy Hughes, Kevin Nugent, Danny Kedwell and the non-precious self deprecating Kevin Lisbie amongst many others who are in it for the game rather than for their brand, or to squeeze every penny out.0 -
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Had a problem with Wi-Fi working, as I’m abroad, any news?0
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Me too. I must be in the only internet black spot in Kent... near Folkestone.😊Mendonca In Asdas said:Had a problem with Wi-Fi working, as I’m abroad, any news?0 - Sponsored links:
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JustFloydRoad said:
Alex Dyer has had a long career in football and at 56 always works as a number 2 other than when he got the Kilmarnock job which resulted in the sack. Most of his best times in football were at Cafc.1 -
TS has bought the club name, its position in the Football League and the staff and player contracts - intangible assets, known in accounting as goodwill. He doesn't own the ground, so he cannot enjoy any capital appreciation in that area. That is why he is so desperate to get the team promoted from League 1, because that is the only way he can improve the value of his intangible assets.Airman Brown said:
Perhaps TS has a get-out, being based in the US, but I suspect he would find it difficult to extract himself from Charlton without addressing at least some of the liabilities he has taken on - player contracts, rent to RD until 2035 and, especially, the £7m in ex-director loans.Sillybilly said:As an ex communications specialist (I.e. one of my areas of expertise was communications as opposed to I go round warding off evil spirits), I do just wonder if TS has played a blinder here. It has been Ben wots is name for weeks but TS has put it out there so that what would have been a very underwhelming appointment ends up getting welcomed like the messiah. Maybe not but he’s not as daft as some are making out.
I also do think that our keyboard warriors who are lambasting TS on twatter etc need to be careful what they wish for. TS has clearly got a lot wrong and is eccentric to put it mildly. But there will not be a queue of buyers if he gets out of the wrong side of bed one morning with the fragrant Rayleen on his case and reads the wrong comment and decides to write off his losses (which he could easily do). Any assets worthy of the name are still in the hands of the Belgian twunt. I’m in despair as much as the next guy and gal but this is a whole lot better than what we faced in the last days of ESI. I cling to at least a little hope that things will pick up. I’m certainly not a TS apologist. His halo has certainly slipped a bit. But he’s what we’ve got for the moment and the alternatives are few and probably unpalatable.As you say, he might well struggle to find a buyer as there is currently nothing tangible to sell, but I’m not clear he can just walk away from all those commitments, even if he felt like it.0 -
I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates.
His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that.
We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.6 -
Desperate perhaps but unless money is spent in the right ways it’s a forlorn hope.Happy Valley said:
TS has bought the club name, its position in the Football League and the staff and player contracts - intangible assets, known in accounting as goodwill. He doesn't own the ground, so he cannot enjoy any capital appreciation in that area. That is why he is so desperate to get the team promoted from League 1, because that is the only way he can improve the value of his intangible assets.Airman Brown said:
Perhaps TS has a get-out, being based in the US, but I suspect he would find it difficult to extract himself from Charlton without addressing at least some of the liabilities he has taken on - player contracts, rent to RD until 2035 and, especially, the £7m in ex-director loans.Sillybilly said:As an ex communications specialist (I.e. one of my areas of expertise was communications as opposed to I go round warding off evil spirits), I do just wonder if TS has played a blinder here. It has been Ben wots is name for weeks but TS has put it out there so that what would have been a very underwhelming appointment ends up getting welcomed like the messiah. Maybe not but he’s not as daft as some are making out.
I also do think that our keyboard warriors who are lambasting TS on twatter etc need to be careful what they wish for. TS has clearly got a lot wrong and is eccentric to put it mildly. But there will not be a queue of buyers if he gets out of the wrong side of bed one morning with the fragrant Rayleen on his case and reads the wrong comment and decides to write off his losses (which he could easily do). Any assets worthy of the name are still in the hands of the Belgian twunt. I’m in despair as much as the next guy and gal but this is a whole lot better than what we faced in the last days of ESI. I cling to at least a little hope that things will pick up. I’m certainly not a TS apologist. His halo has certainly slipped a bit. But he’s what we’ve got for the moment and the alternatives are few and probably unpalatable.As you say, he might well struggle to find a buyer as there is currently nothing tangible to sell, but I’m not clear he can just walk away from all those commitments, even if he felt like it.3 -
If people at the club have been taking the piss when TS is absent, and if he feels he has been somewhat ‘played’ on the football side (Watson may be an example), then to me it makes sense that he wants his son around to protect his interests.
The problem seems to be about Martin and Thomas’ eyes being bigger than their stomachs, job titles and autonomy being less than ideal.
It is much easier from a supporters point of view to look at the games and absorb the results, if we win consistently a lot of angst will dissipate.
I still maintain that 2000 fans were betrayed at Ipswich, and were I Thomas at that game I would contemplate how much of that betrayal was my fault, and how much was down to precious footballers and football management seeking to demonstrate how pissed off they were.
2000 fans were shown up at the wrong place at the wrong time.8 -
The plain fact is that MS is not qualified to be his eyes and ears.seth plum said:If people at the club have been taking the piss when TS is absent, and if he feels he has been somewhat ‘played’ on the football side (Watson may be an example), then to me it makes sense that he wants his son around to protect his interests.
The problem seems to be about Martin and Thomas’ eyes being bigger than their stomachs, job titles and autonomy being less than ideal.
It is much easier from a supporters point of view to look at the games and absorb the results, if we win consistently a lot of angst will dissipate.
I still maintain that 2000 fans were betrayed at Ipswich, and were I Thomas at that game I would contemplate how much of that betrayal was my fault, and how much was down to precious footballers and football management seeking to demonstrate how pissed off they were.
2000 fans were shown up at the wrong place at the wrong time.
What part of the last 18 months makes you think he is. Or that TS genuinely can make this work?
Thank fcuk he saved us but we're going nowhere fast under this structure.
Listen to @Airman Brown when he mentions ex pros in the game, club insiders and players at the club that have a questionable perception of TS.
Nobody wants TS to fail. Jesus I love his enthusiasm and his passion. But it isn't, from a results perspective, working.
If Garner is announced this week, TS is going to lose some credibility in the fact Cawley said 10+ days ago he had the job, he's left Swindon, he's "apparently" been to the training ground three times already and yet TS still says he's not hired anybody yet.....
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England are playing Israel later. Wave your flag and cheer on England.
No apologies from me for advertising football on a football forum.
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Yes your points are good ones. Martin Sandgaard is qualified in as much as he is the son of the owner. Doesn’t that qualify him to be eyes and ears if we stop short of interference?supaclive said:
The plain fact is that MS is not qualified to be his eyes and ears.seth plum said:If people at the club have been taking the piss when TS is absent, and if he feels he has been somewhat ‘played’ on the football side (Watson may be an example), then to me it makes sense that he wants his son around to protect his interests.
The problem seems to be about Martin and Thomas’ eyes being bigger than their stomachs, job titles and autonomy being less than ideal.
It is much easier from a supporters point of view to look at the games and absorb the results, if we win consistently a lot of angst will dissipate.
I still maintain that 2000 fans were betrayed at Ipswich, and were I Thomas at that game I would contemplate how much of that betrayal was my fault, and how much was down to precious footballers and football management seeking to demonstrate how pissed off they were.
2000 fans were shown up at the wrong place at the wrong time.
What part of the last 18 months makes you think he is. Or that TS genuinely can make this work?
Thank fcuk he saved us but we're going nowhere fast under this structure.
Listen to @Airman Brown when he mentions ex pros in the game, club insiders and players at the club that have a questionable perception of TS.
Nobody wants TS to fail. Jesus I love his enthusiasm and his passion. But it isn't, from a results perspective, working.
If Garner is announced this week, TS is going to lose some credibility in the fact Cawley said 10+ days ago he had the job, he's left Swindon, he's "apparently" been to the training ground three times already and yet TS still says he's not hired anybody yet.....
We hear for example of sandwich man’s fawning and disguise, we see money being allocated for players such as Jayesimi and Kirk, not my money or your money either.
Of course the buck stops with Thomas, and we all wish better decisions had been made, but pause for a minute. It would be ex pros and club insiders that Sandgaard would have been listening to, trusting even, and supporting with his wallet.
Apart from the clear indulgence of Schwartz, are there any other players at the club that you think are Sandgaard signings?
As for losing credibility, in some quarters Sandgaard has lost all credibility for ever more, but right now there is nobody else prepared to pay the bills.2 -
But he hasn't left Swindon, certainly not officially and he hasn't been appointed here either. Cawley said they was still things to be tied up.supaclive said:
The plain fact is that MS is not qualified to be his eyes and ears.seth plum said:If people at the club have been taking the piss when TS is absent, and if he feels he has been somewhat ‘played’ on the football side (Watson may be an example), then to me it makes sense that he wants his son around to protect his interests.
The problem seems to be about Martin and Thomas’ eyes being bigger than their stomachs, job titles and autonomy being less than ideal.
It is much easier from a supporters point of view to look at the games and absorb the results, if we win consistently a lot of angst will dissipate.
I still maintain that 2000 fans were betrayed at Ipswich, and were I Thomas at that game I would contemplate how much of that betrayal was my fault, and how much was down to precious footballers and football management seeking to demonstrate how pissed off they were.
2000 fans were shown up at the wrong place at the wrong time.
What part of the last 18 months makes you think he is. Or that TS genuinely can make this work?
Thank fcuk he saved us but we're going nowhere fast under this structure.
Listen to @Airman Brown when he mentions ex pros in the game, club insiders and players at the club that have a questionable perception of TS.
Nobody wants TS to fail. Jesus I love his enthusiasm and his passion. But it isn't, from a results perspective, working.
If Garner is announced this week, TS is going to lose some credibility in the fact Cawley said 10+ days ago he had the job, he's left Swindon, he's "apparently" been to the training ground three times already and yet TS still says he's not hired anybody yet.....
If, as some state, BG has been offered the job, wants the job but BG and TS are still negotiating the terms and conditions (as both BG and TS are perfectly entitled to do) then it's not a done deal.
I'm not sure how, if they reach a deal this week, how TS has lost any credibility.
For some he has no credibility already.
For others he saved the club, is covering the £8m loss per season and is beyond criticism for that reason.
But for a lot of fans, me included, he has both made lots of mistakes AND saved the club/put money in alongside doing or attempting to do some good things. And even there not everyone agrees what it is that he's done right or wrong as the sacking of Jackson shows.38 -
I think everyone needs to cut TS some slack.
We have a club to support thanks to him, no one else. Forget Barclay, he didn’t want to get involved without the assets, so TS was the only option and we all owe him a massive thanks.Has he over promised, has he made mistakes - yes, but who hasn’t.For the last 15 years, this club has been poorly run, so we need to forget the “that’s not the way we do things at Charlton mindset”.
He genuinely wants to build something here, so let’s get behind him, ride out the good with the bad, and be grateful that we’ll have a competitive club to support come the start of the season.
Just because we were mixing it in the premier league once, does not mean we have a right to do so again. Look at Oldham!13
