Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)

So TS has made some mistakes, let's hope if any of you lot make a few mistakes in your job, you aren't thought of like this, your probably get fired 

paulfox said:

supaclive said:

paulfox said:

thenewbie said:

paulfox said:

supaclive said:

paulfox said:

supaclive said:

paulfox said:

Phil said:

I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates.
His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that.
We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.

I’m sorry but this post is all hypothetical to come to a suitable narrative, is his son in authority and the cause of anything wrong yet? We haven’t had anything happen to judge whether he has done good or bad, nobody complained at the time of hiring various people and so opinion has been based on  hindsight. Do we all want him to do well? because as I see it any opportunity to dig him out is being taken? The attitude of I’ll support him if he does what I think he should, is selfish, shallow and boring . 

MS has been head of "data" for 18 months.....

Has he? Are you sure? 18 months?

YES!

So he is the reason for Jackson and the players being shit? 

Well part of the problem is that we have not recruited very well which no doubt made things harder for Jackson regardless of other failings.

He is PART of the system that has failed. So while it's not fair to say he is the whole and entire reason for a poor season he very much is PART of the reason.

Wasn’t a problem when Jackson was caretaker, and don’t give me the we didn’t have strikers for however long, because the missed hatfuls when they played aswell. If Jackson had continued how he began , nobody would be questioning what MS was doing.

Check JJs record when CW and JS were fit to play together......

Stop talking bollox.

Have you checked it?

"Jackson has also continually emphasised the fact that when both Jayden Stockley and Conor Washington have started together, he has never lost."

Rossman92 said:

From a journo in Swindon

Thanks for trying to keep us on topic Ross!

Read up.....
We're allowed to have concerns.
You're allowed to believe all will get better.
No swearing required.
Enjoy your long bank holiday weekend.  Have a few beers.  We'll all still be here Monday.

The Martin obsession continues..!

Anyway, sounds positive from the Swindon journo. Let’s hope he’s in charge from next week.

ValleyGary said:

thetomahawkkid said:

supaclive said:

seth plum said:

If people at the club have been taking the piss when TS is absent, and if he feels he has been somewhat ‘played’ on the football side (Watson may be an example), then to me it makes sense that he wants his son around to protect his interests.
The problem seems to be about Martin and Thomas’ eyes being bigger than their stomachs, job titles and autonomy being less than ideal.

It is much easier from a supporters point of view to look at the games and absorb the results, if we win consistently a lot of angst will dissipate.

I still maintain that 2000 fans were betrayed at Ipswich, and were I Thomas at that game I would contemplate how much of that betrayal was my fault, and how much was down to precious footballers and football management seeking to demonstrate how pissed off they were.

2000 fans were shown up at the wrong place at the wrong time.

The plain fact is that MS is not qualified to be his eyes and ears.

What part of the last 18 months makes you think he is.  Or that TS genuinely can make this work?

Thank fcuk he saved us but we're going nowhere fast under this structure.

Listen to @Airman Brown when he mentions ex pros in the game, club insiders and players at the club that have a questionable perception of TS.

Nobody wants TS to fail. Jesus I love his enthusiasm and his passion.   But it isn't, from a results perspective, working.

If Garner is announced this week, TS is going to lose some credibility in the fact Cawley said 10+ days ago he had the job, he's left Swindon, he's "apparently" been to the training ground three times already and yet TS still says he's not hired anybody yet.....

If Garner is announced this week after all the faffing around, as expected, I would say that rather than just losing credibility,  TS is going to look like an idiot. Will be a tricky job for the PR team!

Faffing around?! You’re taking another teams manager. I’m sure plenty of details have to be sorted and agreed on by Charlton, Swindon and Garner.

No PR spin required. Most of us understand these things don’t happen overnight. 

100%!
 including any discussions involving his coaching team and possible DoF coming aswell who knows how much negotiating has been going on 

thetomahawkkid said:

supaclive said:

seth plum said:

If people at the club have been taking the piss when TS is absent, and if he feels he has been somewhat ‘played’ on the football side (Watson may be an example), then to me it makes sense that he wants his son around to protect his interests.
The problem seems to be about Martin and Thomas’ eyes being bigger than their stomachs, job titles and autonomy being less than ideal.

It is much easier from a supporters point of view to look at the games and absorb the results, if we win consistently a lot of angst will dissipate.

I still maintain that 2000 fans were betrayed at Ipswich, and were I Thomas at that game I would contemplate how much of that betrayal was my fault, and how much was down to precious footballers and football management seeking to demonstrate how pissed off they were.

2000 fans were shown up at the wrong place at the wrong time.

The plain fact is that MS is not qualified to be his eyes and ears.

What part of the last 18 months makes you think he is.  Or that TS genuinely can make this work?

Thank fcuk he saved us but we're going nowhere fast under this structure.

Listen to @Airman Brown when he mentions ex pros in the game, club insiders and players at the club that have a questionable perception of TS.

Nobody wants TS to fail. Jesus I love his enthusiasm and his passion.   But it isn't, from a results perspective, working.

If Garner is announced this week, TS is going to lose some credibility in the fact Cawley said 10+ days ago he had the job, he's left Swindon, he's "apparently" been to the training ground three times already and yet TS still says he's not hired anybody yet.....

If Garner is announced this week after all the faffing around, as expected, I would say that rather than just losing credibility,  TS is going to look like an idiot. Will be a tricky job for the PR team!

At the moment I'm not exactly a champion of TS' when it comes to decision-making but if (big If) it is true that Garner was on holiday until the end of this week, what other than public closure is to be gained by announcing him before early next week, particularly if for whatever reason the terms for his backroom staff aren't yet closed?

I'm as desperate as the next person for signs of progress that we can work out a way to escape this current malaise but appointing a manager during his holiday (which I think he probably needs more than a curtailed break for his own wellbeing and capacity to do a good job next season) doesn't allow much more time to impact anything than doing so almost immediately upon his return. For all we know they may have already discussed detail behind the plan for the next month remotely while the final points in the deal are being resolved. Garner isn't going to want to cut off his nose to spite his face (particularly if he's going to potentially suffer under a performance-related severance term) if he has chosen us as his next move and thinks it's more likely than not it will go through.

paulfox said:

Cafc43v3r said:

paulfox said:

thenewbie said:

paulfox said:

supaclive said:

paulfox said:

supaclive said:

paulfox said:

Phil said:

I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates.
His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that.
We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.

I’m sorry but this post is all hypothetical to come to a suitable narrative, is his son in authority and the cause of anything wrong yet? We haven’t had anything happen to judge whether he has done good or bad, nobody complained at the time of hiring various people and so opinion has been based on  hindsight. Do we all want him to do well? because as I see it any opportunity to dig him out is being taken? The attitude of I’ll support him if he does what I think he should, is selfish, shallow and boring . 

MS has been head of "data" for 18 months.....

Has he? Are you sure? 18 months?

YES!

So he is the reason for Jackson and the players being shit? 

Well part of the problem is that we have not recruited very well which no doubt made things harder for Jackson regardless of other failings.

He is PART of the system that has failed. So while it's not fair to say he is the whole and entire reason for a poor season he very much is PART of the reason.

Wasn’t a problem when Jackson was caretaker, and don’t give me the we didn’t have strikers for however long, because the missed hatfuls when they played aswell. If Jackson had continued how he began , nobody would be questioning what MS was doing.

It wasn't but the reason Jackson was the caretaker in the first place was, mainly, because of the summer recruitment.

The fact that Martin was involved in that and is now more involved doesn't fill me with any confidence at all.

If you think Martin has the back ground and experience to play such a crucial role can you tell me why?  Because I am not the only one.

I’ve not once said I think he is qualified, I’m in no position to judge, but pinning all our problems on a bloke because of who his dad is, and implying it’s all his decisions is a load of rubbish. Jackson and the players proved at some point they could compete, when they decided they didn’t want to anymore, that’s on them not the owner or his son. 

No one is pinning all our problems on him.

The common theme is who makes the football decisions and whose advice is sought and taken.  If you listen to what Thomas says it's quite clear that Martin has more influence than any "football" people.  It's a symptom of a wider issue.

RedRobin said:

TheAddicks4Ever said:

So BEN GARNER is our new man…makes sense for all the delays #UpTheAddicks

Explains the delay then, negotiations take time I guess, just want this done so the bed wetters can enjoy their summer! 

We will need some players too.