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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)

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  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    Swisdom said:
    Safe to say THomas couldn’t confirm it last week because it wasn’t confirmed - so he’s not a liar he’s just dealing with what was accurate at the time.

    time will tell soon enough if it’s the right appointment but hopefully a new coaching setup as well as those already there - will give us more of a sense of identity.  I look forward to it if it’s true.  

    A couple of weeks ago I had a long chat with one of the senior employees at Charlton.  He said the following

    Thomas doesn’t get involved in the day to day squad stuff, and doesn’t choose the transfers and leaves that to others more qualified. He just signs the cheques
    Are things perfect? - No they aren’t.  Have mistakes been made? - yes they have but we are definitely going in the right direction.  This is as stable as the club has been at any time in the last five years”

    There were plenty of other things discussed but I felt it was quite important to point out that there is so much that happens, is said and is done that we don’t get to hear about.  Even when it looks like there is nothing happening there is usually a shit load going on.  Last season was crap - we all know that.  But if we can get behind whoever the new manager turns out to be and support this team we might see it pay dividends.  A toxic atmosphere helps no-one but the opposition

    im excited for pre season, and excited to see us playing some entertaining football for the first time in a while but what I REALLY want to have is a more unified fan base getting behind the team and a team that understands the journey we want to go on. 

    Fingers crossed 

    as I’ve said many times, it’s never been easy being a Charlton fan but I’ll never stop being one


    What about his son?
    Oh ffs.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    We’ve had weeks of moaning and whinging but now it looks like we have a name. Not everyone is overwhelmed but that doesn’t make any damned difference to the reality. Let’s put any disappointment and reservations aside and just get behind Ben Garner and the club. Swisdoms post says it all really. We’re all Charlton fans so let’s give Ben Garner a fair crack. What’s the alternative?
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Well Cawley is sticking to his story.

    Just need Thomas to deny it to complete the loop.
    It really doesn't matter that much away from the Internet world. 
    No.  It doesn't matter at all in the grand scheme of things.  He shouldn't be saying anything, to anyone about it.  I he thought Swindon would just sit on it, for 10 days, he is naive a best.

    Almost all of the criticism Thomas gets, fair or other wise, comes from what he says.
    And the rest from what he does, doesn’t do, was rumoured to have done and rumoured to have not done.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    More than happy with Garner. Said it from the moment he was announced by Cawley. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    Swisdom said:
    Cawley saying “done deal” is a journalist breaking a story based on a certain degree of finality to proceedings

    Thomas saying “ it’s not done yet”  is a businessman who knows it’s not done until the ink is dry.

    Turns out both can be valid
    The time difference between the initial Cawley announcement and (presumably) the actual unveiling this week was a long time though, far longer than you'd expect if 95% of the work had been done
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    edited June 2022
    Swisdom said:
    Cawley saying “done deal” is a journalist breaking a story based on a certain degree of finality to proceedings

    Thomas saying “ it’s not done yet”  is a businessman who knows it’s not done until the ink is dry.

    Turns out both can be valid

    Agreed but Thomas said to his "Charlton friends" on line that we were still interviewing after the story broke Swindon's end which Richard Cawley heard about from his west country journalist colleges so not surprising that there has been speculation.

    Thomas Sandgaard should have said no comment while the process is ongoing but he likes to exchange comments with buttleJR and others who like to pass on what they hear. 

    No  harm done and we await the news in a few days about Ben Garner from Thomas, and Scarfy is getting ready.

  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,560
    swordfish said:
    As it seems we are now only waiting for confirmation to appear on the official site, perhaps it's time to reflect that this thread may soon be confined to the anal's.

    It's been an emotional rollercoaster fellow Lifer's, with several protracted heated debates and deviations off thread.

    After 225 pages and counting, I felt it only right to say a few words. I'm sure I speak for all in saying that I shall mourn it's passing as it will leave a big hole. 🤧
    Confined to the anal’s 😂😂
  • redbuttle
    redbuttle Posts: 1,979
    Swisdom said:
    Safe to say THomas couldn’t confirm it last week because it wasn’t confirmed - so he’s not a liar he’s just dealing with what was accurate at the time.

    time will tell soon enough if it’s the right appointment but hopefully a new coaching setup as well as those already there - will give us more of a sense of identity.  I look forward to it if it’s true.  

    A couple of weeks ago I had a long chat with one of the senior employees at Charlton.  He said the following

    ”Thomas doesn’t get involved in the day to day squad stuff, and doesn’t choose the transfers and leaves that to others more qualified. He just signs the cheques
    Are things perfect? - No they aren’t.  Have mistakes been made? - yes they have but we are definitely going in the right direction.  This is as stable as the club has been at any time in the last five years”

    There were plenty of other things discussed but I felt it was quite important to point out that there is so much that happens, is said and is done that we don’t get to hear about.  Even when it looks like there is nothing happening there is usually a shit load going on.  Last season was crap - we all know that.  But if we can get behind whoever the new manager turns out to be and support this team we might see it pay dividends.  A toxic atmosphere helps no-one but the opposition

    im excited for pre season, and excited to see us playing some entertaining football for the first time in a while but what I REALLY want to have is a more unified fan base getting behind the team and a team that understands the journey we want to go on. 

    Fingers crossed 

    as I’ve said many times, it’s never been easy being a Charlton fan but I’ll never stop being one


    Another excellent post...
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,560
    I’m more than happy with Ben Garner. Since he was first mentioned everything I’ve seen and read has been a positive. Just hope everyone gets behind him and gives him a fighting chance. Good news he is bringing in his two coaches, one big mistake with Adkins was not letting him bring Crosby in.
  • RedRobin
    RedRobin Posts: 1,377
    Scoham said:
    Wouldn’t surprise me if Chorley ended up at Wimbledon with Jacko. Read earlier they were looking for a head of football operations, basically a DoF. Putting two and two together. 
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  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,349
    edited June 2022
    Keeping an open mind on Garner. Just pleased we've got a manager and it hasn't dragged out any further.
  • redbuttle
    redbuttle Posts: 1,979
    Swisdom said:
    Cawley saying “done deal” is a journalist breaking a story based on a certain degree of finality to proceedings

    Thomas saying “ it’s not done yet”  is a businessman who knows it’s not done until the ink is dry.

    Turns out both can be valid

    Agreed but Thomas said to his "Charlton friends" on line that we were still interviewing after the story broke Swindon's end which Richard Cawley heard about from his west country journalist colleges so not surprising that there has been speculation.

    Thomas Sandgaard should have said no comment while the process is ongoing but he likes to exchange comments with buttleJR and others who like to pass on what they hear. 

    No  harm done and we await the news in a few days about Ben Garner from Thomas, and Scarfy is getting ready.

    Believe me. Thomas is trying his hardest to improve the club in every way..
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    edited June 2022
    RoanRedNY said:
    JamesSeed said:
    RoanRedNY said:
    Charlton and England.  Starting to wonder whose doorstep i shat on in a previous life to end up with these 2……
    Weren’t we runners up in the last World Cup? Punching above our weight really. 
    Euros.  We got crunched by the giants of Croatia in the last WC and lost twice to Belgium if I remember correctly.  Agree though, punching above our weight and/or flattering to deceive since 66.
    Oh yes. Decent in the Euros at least.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    Another positive with Ben Garner is that he’s going to have a very good handle on young league two players who he thinks can make the step up. I’m fairly sure most of our acquisitions are going to come from League one and two so knowing that intimately is going to be a big help. Completely the opposite of what either Beale or Warburton could bring. We are where we are and I’m more than happy that BG will know what he wants to do and who to bring in. 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    edited June 2022
    RedRobin said:
    Scoham said:
    Wouldn’t surprise me if Chorley ended up at Wimbledon with Jacko. Read earlier they were looking for a head of football operations, basically a DoF. Putting two and two together. 
    Potentially, and Blackburn are another option. Alan Nixon (I know...) said Blackburn are announcing their new DoF next week.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    RedRobin said:
    Scoham said:
    Wouldn’t surprise me if Chorley ended up at Wimbledon with Jacko. Read earlier they were looking for a head of football operations, basically a DoF. Putting two and two together. 
    Chorley was at Wimbledon when they moved, and he went, not sure how well that will go down.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    edited June 2022
    Who was the last manager we had with a UEFA Pro License ? Garner has one but I think both Adkins and Bowyer had A and B respectively. Robinson ? 

    Edit : Robinson has and JJ 🤦🏻‍♂️
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,222
    edited June 2022
    Who was the last manager we had with a UEFA Pro License ? Garner has one but I think both Adkins and Bowyer had A and B respectively. Robinson ? 

    Edit : Robinson has.
    Alan Pardew, Iain Dowie, Phil Parkinson, Jose Riga all before they became managers of Charlton Athletic

    Karel Fraeye has even got one! 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    The one thing that slightly concerns me, when we're having to poach not just a manager, but also his 2 coaches, is that they've only been together for 1 year, indeed 10 months.

    It's not a team which have worked together for years, with several seasons of success, maybe with more than one club. 
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,845
    So, how long we giving this bloke before the knives get sharpened?

    My guess is the first pre-season friendly.
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  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Off_it said:
    So, how long we giving this bloke before the knives get sharpened?

    My guess is the first pre-season friendly.
    An hour before the first friendly when his first starting 11 and formation is announced.
  • redbuttle
    redbuttle Posts: 1,979
    Off_it said:
    So, how long we giving this bloke before the knives get sharpened?

    My guess is the first pre-season friendly.
    No need to wait till we play a game. Lol
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    Scoham said:
    Off_it said:
    So, how long we giving this bloke before the knives get sharpened?

    My guess is the first pre-season friendly.
    An hour before the first friendly when his first starting 11 and formation is announced.
    3-5-2, CBT at wing-back. 
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,195
    Off_it said:
    So, how long we giving this bloke before the knives get sharpened?

    My guess is the first pre-season friendly.
    I think a lot will hinge on what happens next. If the perception is that we’ve done well in the transfer market then there could be a bit of a feelgood atmosphere going into the season. If the transfer activity is shit then TS will get the blame. If we’ve bought well and get off to a bad start then the manager will get flack. 
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,195
    Scoham said:
    Off_it said:
    So, how long we giving this bloke before the knives get sharpened?

    My guess is the first pre-season friendly.
    An hour before the first friendly when his first starting 11 and formation is announced.
    3-5-2, CBT at wing-back. 
    Garth Crooks leading the line. 
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,358
    Swisdom said:
    Safe to say THomas couldn’t confirm it last week because it wasn’t confirmed - so he’s not a liar he’s just dealing with what was accurate at the time.

    time will tell soon enough if it’s the right appointment but hopefully a new coaching setup as well as those already there - will give us more of a sense of identity.  I look forward to it if it’s true.  

    A couple of weeks ago I had a long chat with one of the senior employees at Charlton.  He said the following

    ”Thomas doesn’t get involved in the day to day squad stuff, and doesn’t choose the transfers and leaves that to others more qualified. He just signs the cheques
    Are things perfect? - No they aren’t.  Have mistakes been made? - yes they have but we are definitely going in the right direction.  This is as stable as the club has been at any time in the last five years”

    There were plenty of other things discussed but I felt it was quite important to point out that there is so much that happens, is said and is done that we don’t get to hear about.  Even when it looks like there is nothing happening there is usually a shit load going on.  Last season was crap - we all know that.  But if we can get behind whoever the new manager turns out to be and support this team we might see it pay dividends.  A toxic atmosphere helps no-one but the opposition

    im excited for pre season, and excited to see us playing some entertaining football for the first time in a while but what I REALLY want to have is a more unified fan base getting behind the team and a team that understands the journey we want to go on. 

    Fingers crossed 

    as I’ve said many times, it’s never been easy being a Charlton fan but I’ll never stop being one


    I agree with most of your post but TS did dismiss Ben Garner. He was asked if the reports were true and he said no. So he has lost credibility here in my eyes 
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,890
    Off_it said:
    So, how long we giving this bloke before the knives get sharpened?

    My guess is the first pre-season friendly.
    That long !
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    I’m sure that guy has read the ‘UEFA coaching manual’ cover to cover.