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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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Look
It's Garner.
They want Garner.
Garner wants to come.
It's nearly all done.
But it's not quite all done.
There are bits of the deal still to be done.
So it's not all done.
TS and RM haven't said it's NOT Garner.
They haven't dismissed, denied or distanced the club from Garner.
When and if it has ALL been finalised ie ALL the coaches contracts signed and ALL the compensation to Swindon agreed then it will be done.
And when and if that happens it will be on the official site.
It's Sunday, enjoy yourselves, we only have one go at life then we die and are no more so as the song reminds us...
Live, love, laugh and for fecks sake be happy.
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It is unprofessional and opened them up to more criticism unfortunately. Can also see this coming back to bite them when every rumour is not denied like this.8
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So I've surfaced for my morning feed of the latest news only to find that a tweet has muddied the waters and Schrodinger's cat is stalking the shallows. Only on CL 🤣soapboxsam said:KiwiValley said:Quantum physics can explain the situation very simply. At any given moment Garner has both signed and not signed. The more he has signed the less he has signed and obviously vice versa. I don’t get all the confusion.
Bravo @KiwiValleyQuantum mechanics is the meaning of life. The signing of Ben Garner can only happen when no one is watching. This is Heisenberg uncertainty principle meets Schrödinger's cat. Charlton's fate being linked to a random subatomic event that may or may not occur.2 -
Again, it's lose/lose whatever they do for some.roseandcrown said:It is unprofessional and opened them up to more criticism unfortunately. Can also see this coming back to bite them when every rumour is not denied like this.
They shouldn't comment but if in future they don't comment that will also be wrong.
They are making non-committal non-denials. They mean very little as the tweets contain very little hard information but they are being poured over and far far too much being read into them by some.
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It’s a month since JJ was sacked and TS must have made up his mind on that decision some time before. So, let’s be generous and say the owner has known he needs a new manager for two months.He must have had an idea of who he wanted to take over but that has obviously not come to reality.So, now, he is “still interviewing”. How many has he interviewed? How many are there still to interview?
Get the feeling some interviewees are having second thoughts. If Mrs TS is right about Ben Garner, then are we going to end up with a fifth or. sixth choice as manager.I will always appreciate TS saving our club but his handling of this situation is FUBAR.0 -
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Another post that's spot on.Just leave them alone. Whatever they do is wrong.Yes mistakes have been made but Thomas has the best intentions for the club.Henry Irving said:
Again, it's lose/lose whatever they do for some.roseandcrown said:It is unprofessional and opened them up to more criticism unfortunately. Can also see this coming back to bite them when every rumour is not denied like this.
They shouldn't comment but if in future they don't comment that will also be wrong.
They are making non-committal non-denials. They mean very little as the tweets contain very little hard information but they are being poured over and far far too much being read into them by some.18 -
I think this speaks to wanting control over the message. It's already been noted that fewer leaks are emerging than before and I'm guessing it's no coincidence.Henry Irving said:
Again, it's lose/lose whatever they do for some.roseandcrown said:It is unprofessional and opened them up to more criticism unfortunately. Can also see this coming back to bite them when every rumour is not denied like this.
They shouldn't comment but if in future they don't comment that will also be wrong.
They are making non-committal non-denials. They mean very little as the tweets contain very little hard information but they are being poured over and far far too much being read into them by some.
That said, they'll be fully aware of the forensic analysis of every word they tweet and, if it's true they read fans forums like this one (God help them!), they'll be aware of the consternation they cause, which, as a defender of theirs, even I find aggravating.
More professional to say nothing if not asked directly for comment.
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redbuttle said:
Another post that's spot on.Just leave them alone. Whatever they do is wrong.Yes mistakes have been made but Thomas has the best intentions for the club.Henry Irving said:
Again, it's lose/lose whatever they do for some.roseandcrown said:It is unprofessional and opened them up to more criticism unfortunately. Can also see this coming back to bite them when every rumour is not denied like this.
They shouldn't comment but if in future they don't comment that will also be wrong.
They are making non-committal non-denials. They mean very little as the tweets contain very little hard information but they are being poured over and far far too much being read into them by some.
Well, us fans and our football club can’t live in good intentions, Thomas.7 -
Two of my nieces went to both nights.Clarky said:
Also went to the Killers tonight thought they were brilliant, now on the train home and obviously reading the same old bollocks as you.Covered End said:On my way back from The Killers, great night, have a quick look on here and it 's the same half a dozen posting incessantly.
Do they really think we want to read their non stop posts all day & all evening?
The answer is yes they do.
(Maybe I'm also guilty of posting too much, but surely not non stop)?0 - Sponsored links:
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It is amateurish but so are some journalists, Nixon springs to mind. If Cawley is wrong, and I say if, then I don't care how he is told. Why should a journalist who gets something wrong have to be told in private? He put it out there and if it factual incorrect then why should he escape criticism?Airman Brown said:
It’s amateurish. If they have an issue with anything Rich puts out they can very easily contact him privately or they can publish a statement via the club setting the record straight if necessary.Dazzler21 said:
It was in response to Cawley saying:FishCostaFortune said:
For me it’s mainly the ambiguity of the statement. A tweet saying ‘Understand this not to be correct’ sounds like something you would hear RonnieMoore write on here.shirty5 said:
Then do it through the official club channels.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
But if she knows the information to be false, then why can't she say anything? She's certainly closer to the deal makers than Cawley is.shirty5 said:
Whatever the reason is, it now just winds everybody up and no one knows what is going on.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Her post doesn't mean Garner isn't signing. Cawley says he's agreed a 2 year deal. She says that's not correct. Doesn't mean he isn't signing, it could mean that he's agreed a 3 year deal!
Would have been for the best if Mrs Sandgaard had not said a thing and we would have found out early this week what’s being announced.Can’t understand why she would do that.
"Understand that to be correct"
Could be any one detail that is incorrect, term, salary, structure etc
I have a feeling neither TS or Mrs TS appreciate Cawley reaching out to leaks in the club rather than contacting direct.
This smacks of “we’ll decide what is said and when” and that’s a battle they will never win.
More important, if you’re “still interviewing” five weeks after your own decision to remove the manager I’d suggest you have a bigger problem.3 -
Reads to me in a really sarcy tone, which is partly why it's so unprofessional. Rich is just doing his job.guinnessaddick said:17 -
Who is Raelynn Maloney?Braziliance said:
That’s actually quite frustrating as I really was getting behind the idea of him as manager, what’s going on here000__Jaaaaay__000 said:
Fasten your seatbelts everyone 3 -
TS"s other halfHastingsRed said:Braziliance said:
That’s actually quite frustrating as I really was getting behind the idea of him as manager, what’s going on here000__Jaaaaay__000 said:Fasten your seatbelts everyone
Who is Raelynn Maloney?Braziliance said:
That’s actually quite frustrating as I really was getting behind the idea of him as manager, what’s going on here000__Jaaaaay__000 said:Fasten your seatbelts everyone 1 -
Doctor Raelynn Maloney who knows how the mind works !5
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It’s all becoming a bit farcical now. I understand things get leaked to people, but I would imagine that leaking stuff in a more traditional sense involved close confidants. TS seems to have picked the odd random fan(s) he had no prior relationship with, and used channels such as LinkedIn. I’m not knocking the fans he shares his info with. If I were one of them, I would probably share on here what he’s told me, but the point is, we now seem to be getting different stories and if you’re running a professional football club, this just doesn’t look like you have much of an idea about what you’re doing.
Garner may or may not be following this, but what does it say about your prospective employer if you see one headline, then another and another.I’m still pro TS for all the investment, the passion, the positivity and I actually think getting rid of Jackson wasn’t that a bad idea - however, it seems like from the outside, this is a bit of a circus now. It could still all turn out to be alright, but I think this ongoing appointment is a window into what is a bit of shambles in general.I would say we’d do extremely well at this point to enjoy a decent season on the pitch next season4 -
Thomas: Hi, Ben. Did you get my email with the contract?
Ben: Yes, all cool.
Thomas: What about the car parking space we have to sort out?
Ben: Oh, don’t worry about that. No hurry.
Thomas: That’s great. Shall we sort out that and the size for your tracksuit when we meet for a beer on Wednesday? We’d better get the contract signed as well then as they’re getting edgy on Charlton Life.
Ben: Sure
Thomas: Do you mind Danish lager?
Ben: Ha ha. I suppose I can get used to it.
Thomas: Cheers
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All this will he, won't he be signing doesn't bode well for when he actually gets in charge. It makes it sound like TS is waiting if anyone better is available0
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Why are people getting in such a state over wording of a statement .. if you want to be spot on he has not signed yet until Tues or Wed when the official announcement is made but 2 year deal been agreed .. he was reported with his staff to have been at the training ground before he went in holiday last week .. we all know that TS does not arrive until tomorrow
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Imagine how many managers Katrien could have interviewed in the weeks since JJ was sacked.30
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Woke up expecting to see around 10 unread posts so was surprised to see there’s several new pages.
Not sure why RM felt the need to comment and what she believed they’d gain by doing so.
There’s a growing doubt about the ownership across the fanbase and comments from TS and RM on social media aren’t helping.
Perhaps they’re still interviewing or negotiating but it’s 6th June tomorrow, this needs resolving very soon. The squad are going to Spain in a few weeks. We haven’t even confirmed if Purrington is staying yet, never mind announced a new signing.
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Funny how other clubs don’t have the chairman’s partner or family members disputing tweets by journalists then. Can you imagine Mrs Parish or Mrs Berylson - if they exist - commenting on their club’s next manager?Clarky said:
It is amateurish but so are some journalists, Nixon springs to mind. If Cawley is wrong, and I say if, then I don't care how he is told. Why should a journalist who gets something wrong have to be told in private? He put it out there and if it factual incorrect then why should he escape criticism?Airman Brown said:
It’s amateurish. If they have an issue with anything Rich puts out they can very easily contact him privately or they can publish a statement via the club setting the record straight if necessary.Dazzler21 said:
It was in response to Cawley saying:FishCostaFortune said:
For me it’s mainly the ambiguity of the statement. A tweet saying ‘Understand this not to be correct’ sounds like something you would hear RonnieMoore write on here.shirty5 said:
Then do it through the official club channels.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
But if she knows the information to be false, then why can't she say anything? She's certainly closer to the deal makers than Cawley is.shirty5 said:
Whatever the reason is, it now just winds everybody up and no one knows what is going on.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Her post doesn't mean Garner isn't signing. Cawley says he's agreed a 2 year deal. She says that's not correct. Doesn't mean he isn't signing, it could mean that he's agreed a 3 year deal!
Would have been for the best if Mrs Sandgaard had not said a thing and we would have found out early this week what’s being announced.Can’t understand why she would do that.
"Understand that to be correct"
Could be any one detail that is incorrect, term, salary, structure etc
I have a feeling neither TS or Mrs TS appreciate Cawley reaching out to leaks in the club rather than contacting direct.
This smacks of “we’ll decide what is said and when” and that’s a battle they will never win.
More important, if you’re “still interviewing” five weeks after your own decision to remove the manager I’d suggest you have a bigger problem.We can all decide how we communicate but to respond in public to a reporter with whom the club - and the owner - have an open line of communication and a good working relationship is a put down and an unnecessary one - it also opens Raelynn up to further ridicule if and when the story turns out to be substantively true.40 -
I feel this thread has been passing me by recently, so thought I’d get more involved. Apologies if any or all of the above replies turn out to be wrong.BFG94 said:It’s a month since JJ was sacked and TS must have made up his mind on that decision some time before.Maybe, maybe not.So, let’s be generous and say the owner has known he needs a new manager for two months.PossiblyHe must have had an idea of who he wanted to take over but that has obviously not come to reality.Maybe, maybe not.So, now, he is “still interviewing”. How many has he interviewed?Eleven?How many are there still to interview?
One?
Get the feeling some interviewees are having second thoughts.
Possibly
If Mrs TS is right about Ben Garner, then are we going to end up with a fifth or. sixth choice as manager.
If Mrs TS is right about Garner having a contract that isn’t two years?I will always appreciate TS saving our club [Me too] but his handling of this situation is FUBAR.What’s FUBAR?0 -
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ben-garner-opens-up-very-5378191
Reading this Garner felt he wasn't given enough time at Bristol Rovers.
I wonder if the fans will give him time if it starts badly or indeed if TS will.
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Bit unprofessional maybe, remember the times we live in, but I can’t help feeling that most are reading way too much into it.5
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What a farce, I thought we’d moved on from this public crap. Reading through she’s just repeating the same answer to every fan as if it’s a corporate response. She’s either gone AWOL or TS has agreed to this. Either way it’s a shambles.4
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As the saying goes - The road to hell is paved with good intentions.redbuttle said:
Another post that's spot on.Just leave them alone. Whatever they do is wrong.Yes mistakes have been made but Thomas has the best intentions for the club.Henry Irving said:
Again, it's lose/lose whatever they do for some.roseandcrown said:It is unprofessional and opened them up to more criticism unfortunately. Can also see this coming back to bite them when every rumour is not denied like this.
They shouldn't comment but if in future they don't comment that will also be wrong.
They are making non-committal non-denials. They mean very little as the tweets contain very little hard information but they are being poured over and far far too much being read into them by some.
Good intentions with a modicum of learning & EQ would be much better!0 -
It’s given everyone something else to talk about of course on the upside.I do think it’s inconsequential in the grand scheme of things more. We are a 3rd division team and barely get a mention in the sports media reports these days. Amateur or unprofessional possibly but given we are a very small club currently it’s entertaining however some news emerges.Rich Cawley is a local journalist and doesn’t seem to me at least, to have huge advance insight in news at CAFC, only what he is given modestly in advance. I may have this wrong but don’t detect a huge network of inside information more than picking up what others have also heard.0
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Swindon end reporting the same as Cawley, article published this morning.
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/20187673.ben-garner-agrees-two-year-contract-charlton-athletic-manager/
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I think the Owners want to announce this when over this week. They can't control the media but are giving it a little go.
That's as far as the evil acts and analysis goes for me.9
