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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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As a born again intellectual after mainly reading the Beano and Dandy for decades I'm so impressed with a few of the Posters on CL.Schisms, Semantics and non-sequitur are just a few of the words that are now being used. For balance, Shit is still way out in the lead for the sound bite followed by WIOTOS.
Wiotos is a word from the indigenous people of the far north of the globe, the Inuits and it means for these hard working folk: only believe, when the information is tattooed on the buttocks.Not a lot of people know this.5 -
Having slept on it I think this might be a stroke of genius from Sandgaard. When the Garner news first leaked I wasn't particularly enthused at the choice of candidate. Now, a fortnight later I'm absolutely relishing the prospect of literally anyone being appointed manager so that we can start trying to repair the damage that has already been inflicted on our hopes for next season.
I'm a convert in the space of two weeks. Genius!5 -
Maybe. But there’s a difference between being aware, and being deeply concerned perhaps?mattinfinland said:
Have to say James I would think more people then that are aware of the situation. When you look on twitter, Instagram, Facebook many fans have the same feeling. I would say at least a third of the attandence of home fans at a minimum.JamesSeed said:We’re in a bit of a bubble on CL.In a crowd of 13 or 14 thousand at the first match of the season, how many of them will be regulars on CL? 4 or 5 hundred maybe? Most in the crowd won’t even be aware of the delays, the poor communication and the social media shenanigans, I would imagine.Not that the debate hasn’t been quite interesting on here, but I do think we get a bit het up sometimes.
Once the announcement is made we can relax, but then we’ll (rightly) be worried about recruitment. And then the season will start and it’ll be results that matter the most. I’m more likely to be worried at that time if I’m honest.0 -
I still hope it's because we're after someone like Warburton still.4
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If anyone has an interest in Charlton Athletic regardless if they don’t have access to the internet (Not many in this days and age plus the ones that don’t would have made aware by friends and family) will be aware that they don’t have a manager in charge and has been the case for nearly 5 weeks.JamesSeed said:We’re in a bit of a bubble on CL.In a crowd of 13 or 14 thousand at the first match of the season, how many of them will be regulars on CL? 4 or 5 hundred maybe? Most in the crowd won’t even be aware of the delays, the poor communication and the social media shenanigans, I would imagine.Not that the debate hasn’t been quite interesting on here, but I do think we get a bit het up sometimes.
Nothing wrong with debate otherwise what’s the point of any forum.1 -
JamesSeed said:We’re in a bit of a bubble on CL.In a crowd of 13 or 14 thousand at the first match of the season, how many of them will be regulars on CL? 4 or 5 hundred maybe? Most in the crowd won’t even be aware of the delays, the poor communication and the social media shenanigans, I would imagine.Not that the debate hasn’t been quite interesting on here, but I do think we get a bit het up sometimes.
and the award for understatement of the decade goes to……7 -
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I'd image the same people post on more than 1 platform and there's hardly 1000s of comments on every post.mattinfinland said:
Have to say James I would think more people then that are aware of the situation. When you look on twitter, Instagram, Facebook many fans have the same feeling. I would say at least a third of the attandence of home fans at a minimum.JamesSeed said:We’re in a bit of a bubble on CL.In a crowd of 13 or 14 thousand at the first match of the season, how many of them will be regulars on CL? 4 or 5 hundred maybe? Most in the crowd won’t even be aware of the delays, the poor communication and the social media shenanigans, I would imagine.Not that the debate hasn’t been quite interesting on here, but I do think we get a bit het up sometimes.1 -
Look at that evil barsteward stretching the life out of poor old Scarfy. No wonder he doesn't want the job anymore!soapboxsam said:Scoham said:
Russel Slade never received the credit that was due with his innovative formation and improvements he made to the squad ? ? ?
In the Cafc canteen where the food was healthier, the sitting arrangements were made so the players bonded and no one was isolated. Slade wasn't keen on milky tea so made sure that Doris only used skimmed milk and left the tea bags in the Cup longer than we managed on the field.
But on a side note I had the misfortune to be staying at the same hotel as the team "managed" by Slade, away at Fleetwood early in the season. Two things of note. First I said to Slade on the Saturday morning - "three points today then?" He looked utterly startled by the concept as if trying to win an away match against lowly opposition was a complete anathema to him. He said something along the lines of "well, we'll see". Second there was clearly very little team bonding going on. Nicky Ajose (a new signing) was left all alone and was sitting by himself in the hotel public areas. When the team went out for a stroll around the grounds, he was again all alone at the back, slowly wandering along listening to music. I didn't see anyone talk to him the entire time I was there. Predictably, the game was a poor quality 2-2 draw. Ajose barely touched the ball before he was subbed.
Whoever the next manager is, it is precisely this lack of ambition and team building ethic that it is imperative we avoid.2 - Sponsored links:
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Is he the CEO ? I thought he was coming in as COO ? (Though I know that burger boy had/has that title ?)Henry Irving said:Well, that statement has poured more fuel on the fires of discontent.
Worst than that it will, assuming it happens, spoil the party when Garner is finally appointed.
A mistake. Not the end of the world but a big mistake none the less.
Maybe the owner was frustrated by the version of events being leaked from Swindon, perhaps because they want to force Charlton to pay more compensation than TS is wanting to pay but even if that was the case (I have no inside info) it was still a mistake.
It does point to both needing to bite your lip and ignore the comments and insults (yes, yes pot and kettle coming from me and no Cawley's comments weren't in anyway insulting or outside his remit as a local journalist) as well not consulting/listening to your experienced CEO, comms team or even your own appointed fan advisor who has a PR background and was selected largely because of that.
My fear is the family now draw up the drawbridge and take on an "us and them" mentality.
TS has spoken about a "one club" mentality and I understand the new CEO Jokat is pushing that same mantra.
To succeed the fans need to be a big, the biggest, part of that but this weekend has damaged that, I just hope not permanently.1 -
Agree up to a point, but to many more casual fans five weeks selecting a new manager probably isn’t the end of the world. Not ideal, but not a catastrophe.shirty5 said:
If anyone has an interest in Charlton Athletic regardless if they don’t have access to the internet (Not many in this days and age plus the ones that don’t would have made aware by friends and family) will be aware that they don’t have a manager in charge and has been the case for nearly 5 weeks.JamesSeed said:We’re in a bit of a bubble on CL.In a crowd of 13 or 14 thousand at the first match of the season, how many of them will be regulars on CL? 4 or 5 hundred maybe? Most in the crowd won’t even be aware of the delays, the poor communication and the social media shenanigans, I would imagine.Not that the debate hasn’t been quite interesting on here, but I do think we get a bit het up sometimes.
Nothing wrong with debate otherwise what’s the point of any forum.As I said, the debate has been interesting.0 -
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Look at that evil barsteward stretching the life out of poor old Scarfy. No wonder he doesn't want the job anymore!soapboxsam said:Scoham said:
Russel Slade never received the credit that was due with his innovative formation and improvements he made to the squad ? ? ?
In the Cafc canteen where the food was healthier, the sitting arrangements were made so the players bonded and no one was isolated. Slade wasn't keen on milky tea so made sure that Doris only used skimmed milk and left the tea bags in the Cup longer than we managed on the field.
But on a side note I had the misfortune to be staying at the same hotel as the team "managed" by Slade, away at Fleetwood early in the season. Two things of note. First I said to Slade on the Saturday morning - "three points today then?" He looked utterly startled by the concept as if trying to win an away match against lowly opposition was a complete anathema to him. He said something along the lines of "well, we'll see". Second there was clearly very little team bonding going on. Nicky Ajose (a new signing) was left all alone and was sitting by himself in the hotel public areas. When the team went out for a stroll around the grounds, he was again all alone at the back, slowly wandering along listening to music. I didn't see anyone talk to him the entire time I was there. Predictably, the game was a poor quality 2-2 draw. Ajose barely touched the ball before he was subbed.
Whoever the next manager is, it is precisely this lack of ambition and team building ethic that it is imperative we avoid.
I always notice things like that and it is really telling how a player will do. Leon Clarke had a poor time at Cafc as he looked a loner and looked unhappy and isolated from the group when I saw him at away games in his short time at the valley. Some players can bond easier with a group than others. Jayden Stockley and Johnnie Williams will always be popular with team mates off the field even if Jayden needs to moan at his colleagues on the field when they aren't at it.0 -
It’s like you pop on here and it’s day release for all the local fruit loops to waffle complete inane shit , there’s my contribution of fuck all to add to the complete twattery of waffly crap spouted on here53
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exactly my thoughts - i hope it works out for him this year i really do coz however people view his decision making, there's no doubt he's trying and spendingthickandthin63 said:I have no idea what is going on at the moment,but one thing for sure,if I was TS and had committed the money he had to saving this club,I would look on this site at some of the piss taking remarks and say to myself"Fuck this for a game of soldiers,I am out".36 -
Well said .. the comments about him and his family are shocking he saved the club when no else had the bollocks for the fight … he started a long journey of undoing years and years going back to Richard Murray of neglect and cost cutting .. this is not going to sorted in 18 months ….I did see a vote on one site that asked if you still have confidence in TS and pleased to say the no’s were below 30% ….remember how long it’s taken a club with the financial clout of Man Utd to get the right manager and there still trying puts it into perspectiveDOUCHER said:
exactly my thoughts - i hope it works out for him this year i really do coz however people view his decision making, there's no doubt he's trying and spendingthickandthin63 said:I have no idea what is going on at the moment,but one thing for sure,if I was TS and had committed the money he had to saving this club,I would look on this site at some of the piss taking remarks and say to myself"Fuck this for a game of soldiers,I am out".30 -
Agreeed I just wish he wasn’t so arrogant about things , i think what he has done for club just should not be overlooked but he really isn’t making things easy for himselfRonnieMoore said:
Well said .. the comments about him and his family are shocking he saved the club when no else had the bollocks for the fight … he started a long journey of undoing years and years going back to Richard Murray of neglect and cost cutting .. this is not going to sorted in 18 months ….I did see a vote on one site that asked if you still have confidence in TS and pleased to say the no’s were below 30% ….remember how long it’s taken a club with the financial clout of Man Utd to get the right manager and there still trying puts it into perspectiveDOUCHER said:
exactly my thoughts - i hope it works out for him this year i really do coz however people view his decision making, there's no doubt he's trying and spendingthickandthin63 said:I have no idea what is going on at the moment,but one thing for sure,if I was TS and had committed the money he had to saving this club,I would look on this site at some of the piss taking remarks and say to myself"Fuck this for a game of soldiers,I am out".3 -
PWR the more recent posts.
I really don’t see what the problem is with the club statement? They’ve been forced into responding because of all the wild speculation that’s going around and not put out by the club, which seems perfectly understandable to me.
Yes, we all wish a new manager, coaching staff and players were all in place but the reason they ain’t is presumably stuff going on behind the scenes that very few if any, know about.I imagine Sandgaard and all would’ve liked the same but it is what it is and why add to the furore by creating and kicking up such a fuss over things unknown?13 -
No they haven't been forced to respond, fans and respected journo's talking about the appointment is standard practice.sillav nitram said:PWR the more recent posts.
I really don’t see what the problem is with the club statement? They’ve been forced into responding because of all the wild speculation that’s going around and not put out by the club, which seems perfectly understandable to me.
Yes, we all wish a new manager, coaching staff and players were all in place but the reason they ain’t is presumably stuff going on behind the scenes that very few if any, know about.I imagine Sandgaard and all would’ve liked the same but it is what it is and why add to the furore by creating and kicking up such a fuss over things unknown?9 - Sponsored links:
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In my opinion the vast majority of people kicking up a fuss at every move now are the ones who were upset Jackson was sacked. Plus a portion of miserable gits who complain at everything.sillav nitram said:PWR the more recent posts.
I really don’t see what the problem is with the club statement? They’ve been forced into responding because of all the wild speculation that’s going around and not put out by the club, which seems perfectly understandable to me.
Yes, we all wish a new manager, coaching staff and players were all in place but the reason they ain’t is presumably stuff going on behind the scenes that very few if any, know about.I imagine Sandgaard and all would’ve liked the same but it is what it is and why add to the furore by creating and kicking up such a fuss over things unknown?8 -
Wild speculation? There is a stand-off between media and Charlton because reporters at both ends of the transaction do not believe the club and won't accept its version based on their own sources. In the end there are at least three parties with first-hand information and only one of them is responsible for the club's statement.sillav nitram said:PWR the more recent posts.
I really don’t see what the problem is with the club statement? They’ve been forced into responding because of all the wild speculation that’s going around and not put out by the club, which seems perfectly understandable to me.
Yes, we all wish a new manager, coaching staff and players were all in place but the reason they ain’t is presumably stuff going on behind the scenes that very few if any, know about.I imagine Sandgaard and all would’ve liked the same but it is what it is and why add to the furore by creating and kicking up such a fuss over things unknown?
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Journo's not trusting people....lol10
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this is laughable really - Cawley should at least be acknowledging that he may have got it wrong - based on the fact the most pivotal man in the whole deal says it isn't done - to say anything else is blinkered nonsense and not reporting the full story5
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It would help if the club had a half decent CEO and a communication strategy instead of various associated people creating situations with random and ill considered tweets and then trying to manage them by the same route. It’s beyond amateurish.balham red said:
In my opinion the vast majority of people kicking up a fuss at every move now are the ones who were upset Jackson was sacked. Plus a portion of miserable gits who complain at everything.sillav nitram said:PWR the more recent posts.
I really don’t see what the problem is with the club statement? They’ve been forced into responding because of all the wild speculation that’s going around and not put out by the club, which seems perfectly understandable to me.
Yes, we all wish a new manager, coaching staff and players were all in place but the reason they ain’t is presumably stuff going on behind the scenes that very few if any, know about.I imagine Sandgaard and all would’ve liked the same but it is what it is and why add to the furore by creating and kicking up such a fuss over things unknown?
And seriously the sacking and subsequent recruitment has been an absolute debacle by any standards. If the player recruitment is conducted in the same way then it’s very hard to be optimistic about the season.
I feel really sorry for whoever is appointed against the backdrop of this entirely avoidable chaos.2 -
If we feel obliged to issue a statement because some journalists who are paid to write articles wrote some articles and fans who have a vested interest in the club took part in discussions around a question as fundamental as who our new manager might be, it's a bloody good job we aren't a bigger or better club than we are because we'd have to be putting out statements every 5 minutes.14
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Agree Diana Ross did look a bit past it at the jubilee concertNorthheathAddick said:11 -
So what is the complete first hand information?Airman Brown said:
Wild speculation? There is a stand-off between media and Charlton because reporters at both ends of the transaction do not believe the club and won't accept its version based on their own sources. In the end there are at least three parties with first-hand information and only one of them is responsible for the club's statement.sillav nitram said:PWR the more recent posts.
I really don’t see what the problem is with the club statement? They’ve been forced into responding because of all the wild speculation that’s going around and not put out by the club, which seems perfectly understandable to me.
Yes, we all wish a new manager, coaching staff and players were all in place but the reason they ain’t is presumably stuff going on behind the scenes that very few if any, know about.I imagine Sandgaard and all would’ve liked the same but it is what it is and why add to the furore by creating and kicking up such a fuss over things unknown?0 -
Yup.charltonbob said:
Is he the CEO ? I thought he was coming in as COO ? (Though I know that burger boy had/has that title ?)Henry Irving said:Well, that statement has poured more fuel on the fires of discontent.
Worst than that it will, assuming it happens, spoil the party when Garner is finally appointed.
A mistake. Not the end of the world but a big mistake none the less.
Maybe the owner was frustrated by the version of events being leaked from Swindon, perhaps because they want to force Charlton to pay more compensation than TS is wanting to pay but even if that was the case (I have no inside info) it was still a mistake.
It does point to both needing to bite your lip and ignore the comments and insults (yes, yes pot and kettle coming from me and no Cawley's comments weren't in anyway insulting or outside his remit as a local journalist) as well not consulting/listening to your experienced CEO, comms team or even your own appointed fan advisor who has a PR background and was selected largely because of that.
My fear is the family now draw up the drawbridge and take on an "us and them" mentality.
TS has spoken about a "one club" mentality and I understand the new CEO Jokat is pushing that same mantra.
To succeed the fans need to be a big, the biggest, part of that but this weekend has damaged that, I just hope not permanently.
Brian Jokat appointed as Chief Operating Officer | CAFC
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If Cawley has it wrong then so do TalkSport, The Athletic and Swindon local press.DOUCHER said:this is laughable really - Cawley should at least be acknowledging that he may have got it wrong - based on the fact the most pivotal man in the whole deal says it isn't done - to say anything else is blinkered nonsense and not reporting the full story2
