Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)

sillav nitram said:

Airman Brown said:

sillav nitram said:

Airman Brown said:

sillav nitram said:

PWR the more recent posts.

I really don’t see what the problem is with the club statement? They’ve been forced into responding because of all the wild speculation that’s going around and not put out by the club, which seems perfectly understandable to me.

Yes, we all wish a new manager, coaching staff and players were all in place but the reason they ain’t is presumably stuff going on behind the scenes that very few if any, know about. 

I imagine Sandgaard and all would’ve liked the same but it is what it is and why add to the furore by creating and kicking up such a fuss over things unknown?

Wild speculation? There is a stand-off between media and Charlton because reporters at both ends of the transaction do not believe the club and won't accept its version based on their own sources. In the end there are at least three parties with first-hand information and only one of them is responsible for the club's statement.

Do the club not have a right to handle their affairs as they see fit, even if the majority of us don't like that stance? 

Indeed, but if they deliberately mislead fans in the process then they should expect damage to the credibility of those responsible.

The media also have a right to report on the club's affairs as they see fit within the law regardless of what the current owner thinks about that.

Let's see how it plays out, shall we? The media view is that Garner has the job - I doubt if a qualification over job title, contract length, etc, would seem to most people a proportionate reason to rubbish the stories that are out there.

If the media have it substantively wrong then they will get the reputational hit. That's the nature of the business.

Are the club deliberately misleading or simply not wanting information out there that's either false or misleading?

If Ben Garner isn’t JJ’s successor that would be fair. But the club hasn’t denied that. It’s just blowing smoke.

Airman Brown said:

sillav nitram said:

Airman Brown said:

sillav nitram said:

PWR the more recent posts.

I really don’t see what the problem is with the club statement? They’ve been forced into responding because of all the wild speculation that’s going around and not put out by the club, which seems perfectly understandable to me.

Yes, we all wish a new manager, coaching staff and players were all in place but the reason they ain’t is presumably stuff going on behind the scenes that very few if any, know about. 

I imagine Sandgaard and all would’ve liked the same but it is what it is and why add to the furore by creating and kicking up such a fuss over things unknown?

Wild speculation? There is a stand-off between media and Charlton because reporters at both ends of the transaction do not believe the club and won't accept its version based on their own sources. In the end there are at least three parties with first-hand information and only one of them is responsible for the club's statement.

Do the club not have a right to handle their affairs as they see fit, even if the majority of us don't like that stance? 

Indeed, but if they deliberately mislead fans in the process then they should expect damage to the credibility of those responsible.

The media also have a right to report on the club's affairs as they see fit within the law regardless of what the current owner thinks about that.

Let's see how it plays out, shall we? The media view is that Garner has the job - I doubt if a qualification over job title, contract length, etc, would seem to most people a proportionate reason to rubbish the stories that are out there.

If the media have it substantively wrong then they will get the reputational hit. That's the nature of the business.

The media frequently "get it wrong", that's one of the reasons why news paper circulation is dropping.
Remember the saying. "Don't believe all you read newspapers".
Garner may well have been offered the job but until its signed, settled, sealed and announced on the clubs site, he's not manager of Charlton Athletic, whatever Crawley or any other Journo's speculate.

seth plum said:

You can be 2-0 up in the second minute of injury time and still draw or lose.

Unless the opposition is Charlton Athletic. 

Airman Brown said:

JohnfromNorfolk said:

Airman Brown said:

sillav nitram said:

Airman Brown said:

sillav nitram said:

PWR the more recent posts.

I really don’t see what the problem is with the club statement? They’ve been forced into responding because of all the wild speculation that’s going around and not put out by the club, which seems perfectly understandable to me.

Yes, we all wish a new manager, coaching staff and players were all in place but the reason they ain’t is presumably stuff going on behind the scenes that very few if any, know about. 

I imagine Sandgaard and all would’ve liked the same but it is what it is and why add to the furore by creating and kicking up such a fuss over things unknown?

Wild speculation? There is a stand-off between media and Charlton because reporters at both ends of the transaction do not believe the club and won't accept its version based on their own sources. In the end there are at least three parties with first-hand information and only one of them is responsible for the club's statement.

Do the club not have a right to handle their affairs as they see fit, even if the majority of us don't like that stance? 

Indeed, but if they deliberately mislead fans in the process then they should expect damage to the credibility of those responsible.

The media also have a right to report on the club's affairs as they see fit within the law regardless of what the current owner thinks about that.

Let's see how it plays out, shall we? The media view is that Garner has the job - I doubt if a qualification over job title, contract length, etc, would seem to most people a proportionate reason to rubbish the stories that are out there.

If the media have it substantively wrong then they will get the reputational hit. That's the nature of the business.

The media frequently "get it wrong", that's one of the reasons why news paper circulation is dropping.
Remember the saying. "Don't believe all you read newspapers".
Garner may well have been offered the job but until its signed, settled, sealed and announced on the clubs site, he's not manager of Charlton Athletic, whatever Crawley or any other Journo's speculate.

1) It’s really not. There are all sorts of reasons print sales are falling but a decline in the quality of (football) reporting isn’t one of them.

2) What if he’s actually signed a contract and been at the training ground for talks with staff?

Are you saying 2 has happened?

I reckon announcements by the end of the week - just a guess, but would imagine he wants it all sorted just as much as we do. Didn’t TS arrive or due to arrive today/tomorrow? Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he wants to announce new head coach and his team, together with a couple of signings in one or two hits. We all want this to happen yesterday of course, but the fact is that when Adkins was sacked he said a decision would be made by Christmas and then when JJ went he said a decision by pre-season. So he’s given timescales and we therefore  shouldn’t be surprised appointments haven’t already happened. 

Alan Nixon posted re: Garner on 25/5 at 9:45pm

Rich Cawley posted re: Garner on 25/5 at 9:52pm

Either Cawley can copy really fast or the story broke to both him and Nixon from the Swindon end at the same time.

I don’t believe that Cawley uses Alan Nixon’s patreon subscription as a source.

soapboxsam said:

BigDiddy said:

Totally unimpressed - a fourth tier, unproven coach who has won nothing. Is this REALLY the best we can do? 

Our club is going backwards and I am disgusted we could not appoint a proven winner at this level 

Hard to tell if you are being sarcastic as I haven't seen your posts before but Nigel Adkins was a two time Winner from League 1.
For any manager to be successful they need the owner, manager, coaches, players and ideally the fans to be together and pushing in the same direction.  That will be so difficult to achieve at Cafc in 2022 with the myriad of opinions.

I am a long standing Addick - 40 years+

I get the Nigel Adkins comment , but I do worry about TS’s lack of experience and his approach.

I am not here all the time, but have commented on this because this decision will have a massive impact on where we are in the next few years.

Our club deserves better - that’s all.

ValleyGary said:

‘Disgusted’

🤣 this is fantastic drama. Keep going.

Watching tier 3 dross is disgusting - i just hope we dont fall further 

TS is still in the positive for me, he has made mistakes and enjoys the limelight but he stopped the parasites sucking us dry.  Hopefully he learns from his mistakes 

Airman Brown said:

JohnfromNorfolk said:

Airman Brown said:

sillav nitram said:

Airman Brown said:

sillav nitram said:

PWR the more recent posts.

I really don’t see what the problem is with the club statement? They’ve been forced into responding because of all the wild speculation that’s going around and not put out by the club, which seems perfectly understandable to me.

Yes, we all wish a new manager, coaching staff and players were all in place but the reason they ain’t is presumably stuff going on behind the scenes that very few if any, know about. 

I imagine Sandgaard and all would’ve liked the same but it is what it is and why add to the furore by creating and kicking up such a fuss over things unknown?

Wild speculation? There is a stand-off between media and Charlton because reporters at both ends of the transaction do not believe the club and won't accept its version based on their own sources. In the end there are at least three parties with first-hand information and only one of them is responsible for the club's statement.

Do the club not have a right to handle their affairs as they see fit, even if the majority of us don't like that stance? 

Indeed, but if they deliberately mislead fans in the process then they should expect damage to the credibility of those responsible.

The media also have a right to report on the club's affairs as they see fit within the law regardless of what the current owner thinks about that.

Let's see how it plays out, shall we? The media view is that Garner has the job - I doubt if a qualification over job title, contract length, etc, would seem to most people a proportionate reason to rubbish the stories that are out there.

If the media have it substantively wrong then they will get the reputational hit. That's the nature of the business.

The media frequently "get it wrong", that's one of the reasons why news paper circulation is dropping.
Remember the saying. "Don't believe all you read newspapers".
Garner may well have been offered the job but until its signed, settled, sealed and announced on the clubs site, he's not manager of Charlton Athletic, whatever Crawley or any other Journo's speculate.

1) It’s really not. There are all sorts of reasons print sales are falling but a decline in the quality of (football) reporting isn’t one of them.

2) What if he’s actually signed a contract and been at the training ground for talks with staff?

1. Beg to differ there Rick. Maybe you consider some sports journalist scouring social media for stories quality reporting.   
2. Speculation or proof Rick that he's signed a contract.

Not surprised if he's been at the training ground to talk with staff.
Why wouldn't he, certainly prior to signing a contract and getting a feel for the place. 

Covered End said:

I knew before he knew, but I didn't want to say I knew before he knew, because Charlton didn't want me to know what I knew, so I waited until the other guy said that he knew, before I revealed that I knew as well.

Knew it weren't new news......

so, trying to work this out, basically it’s now all about whether it’s a number one or it’s a number two…