I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it.
Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus.
I’m defending or attacking it, it’s just a little surprising to me, but if his tactic is to make sure it’s the absolute right one then so be it.
Doesn't take a semi competent league one club 5 weeks to appoint a manager, in the off season.
Why though? What’s wrong with negotiating a deal to suit us as well as them, if I could drag the purchase of something expensive out to save a few quid I probably would, it’s not critical right now, I’ll admit I was nervous but I don’t see why haggling over compensation makes us incompetent.
Because we fucked up last season due to our inactivity all summer and lack of preparation. Jackson has been sacked nearly 5 weeks ago, seemingly without any sort of succession plan as we still have no manager on June 7th.
Since Jackson has left, he's gone on holiday, interviewed for / got a new job, and made his first signing.
Fleetwood sacked their manager May 4th, they have a new manager in place and have already made their first signing.
I think that's the consensus but how much there is to haggle over is unclear. These guys are unlikely to be on £100k pa, so the negotiation will probably be in the £10ks. Obviously you want the best deal, but relative to the football budget it's not going to be a huge difference.
Exactly what i was thinking, it's not as if we're trying to poach Klopp. These are league 2 coaching staff.
We sack Adkins (and have to pay him off) and then JJ who, in a matter of days, gets another job (but there is no compo due). We then have to wait weeks and weeks to get someone we want as his replacement with the issue being the level of compo.
Perhaps it is the cost of and lack of return for our most recent managers that irks the businessman that is TS and explains his reluctance to pay what Swindon demand. And why he rubbishes the story released by journos that we have signed Garner because he wants the deal done on his terms and until that happens he doesn't want anyone else announcing it.
Perhaps he does, but it isn't up to him. The media doesn't work for him and doesn't take his instructions. Neither should it.
I never said the media should. It's just how I see his and his wife's take on things hence their denials. I'm sure if Cawley enjoyed the sort of relationship with TS that Cawley has had with some of our managers he would be privy to the full story but would have been asked not to release certain things at least until the time was right to do so. Or doesn't that ever happen?
My mate is getting bored with me asking questions, but got the following this AM. Sounds like the imminent word could be appropriate.
Sandergaard is in the country so it should be announced soon. As before. Garner is a done deal and they are dotting I's and crossing t's on the other two. Compo debate on going but not miles apart.
Interesting because that is what Conor is also saying:
I thought it was all done when Cawley said it was?
As always, it's not a huge conspiracy, just charlton busy bodies whinging while it's in process and Garner has already input his thoughts into recruitment with Gallen and we've been working on that simultaneously.
Drama queens a plenty in our fanbase.
In which case you'll presumably agree there was no need for TS/RM to rubbish the stories in the media?
I thought you said this morning that it had all been sorted out when Crawley published and now you are saying they are still negotiating on his back room staff.
To me that makes TS/RM completely right. If all aspects of the agreement have not been finalised it is clearly not a done deal.
You can sign a contract to buy a house, but if the carpet and curtains you agreed were to be included are not there, the deal is off. You would be perfectly within your rights to walk away, and so can Garner.
Maybe it would have been better if Cawley had used a few more words to describe exactly his understanding in the first place. Something along the lines that a deal had been agreed subject to his back room staff coming with him.
Cawley quite clearly stated it was Garner who had agreed a deal. No mention of the backroom staff. This ties in with other snippets we’re hearing of Garner being at the training ground etc. Cawley wasn’t the only one to report this remember. Swindon press, TalkSport and The Athletic all did too.
This is fun so far - P249, still no confirmed manager, and a bit worried about the playing staff for next season, but no idea what’s happening there, so hopefully Bale and about 6 others incoming (Richarlison is looking for a move) to create the semblance of a mid table 3rd tier first XI. But what is fun is watching the pro Sandgaard faction taking every opposite opinion or concern as an horrific attack on the family and making their contempt of any perceived slight very clear by…..moaning…..about the moaning. This thread could outlast the manager, the season’s signings and even the unlikely event we get anywhere near the top 8, and could still be a source of circular moaning for years to come!
I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it.
Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus.
I’m defending or attacking it, it’s just a little surprising to me, but if his tactic is to make sure it’s the absolute right one then so be it.
Doesn't take a semi competent league one club 5 weeks to appoint a manager, in the off season.
Why though? What’s wrong with negotiating a deal to suit us as well as them, if I could drag the purchase of something expensive out to save a few quid I probably would, it’s not critical right now, I’ll admit I was nervous but I don’t see why haggling over compensation makes us incompetent.
Because we fucked up last season due to our inactivity all summer and lack of preparation. Jackson has been sacked nearly 5 weeks ago, seemingly without any sort of succession plan as we still have no manager on June 7th.
Since Jackson has left, he's gone on holiday, interviewed for / got a new job, and made his first signing.
Fleetwood sacked their manager May 4th, they have a new manager in place and have already made their first signing.
I'll have a wager with you now that we finish above Fleetwood...
We sack Adkins (and have to pay him off) and then JJ who, in a matter of days, gets another job (but there is no compo due). We then have to wait weeks and weeks to get someone we want as his replacement with the issue being the level of compo.
Perhaps it is the cost of and lack of return for our most recent managers that irks the businessman that is TS and explains his reluctance to pay what Swindon demand. And why he rubbishes the story released by journos that we have signed Garner because he wants the deal done on his terms and until that happens he doesn't want anyone else announcing it.
Perhaps he does, but it isn't up to him. The media doesn't work for him and doesn't take his instructions. Neither should it.
Really @Airman Brown ! You're right to say the media don't work for TS, but viz a vie, TS has the right to deny a deal has been done, if indeed all the paperwork, comp, etc has not been signed. Works both ways, or are you saying if its published in the press it must be 100% true? As I said on my one and only previous post on this thread, if, technically, nothing had been signed then the deal is not done! Bit like when a house is sold....a big SOLD sign goes up...in the small print underneath it nearly always says Subject to contract. Crawley has the right to publish what he knows, but he may not have known about any sticking points. It simple really!
Again, Cawley's story is accurate. TS then claimed he was "still interviewing".
If people think a compensation negotiation about two second-tier employees is about hundreds of thousands then fair enough, but from their status and my knowledge of TS's other staffing negotiations I'd say it is more likely to be about tens of thousands and that doesn't justify taking two weeks to resolve, still less voiding the whole deal and starting again.
I didn't say anywhere that Cawleys statement wasn't accurate, I did say he may not have known ALL the details and hence that any 'hold-ups' would be unknown to him. TS still had the right to deny the deal had been agreed if it hadn't (we still don't know if it has by the way). TS may well have been 'still interviewing' or do you know for 100% fact that he wasn't? He may well have been interviewing the coaches or the DoF, who may, or may not, be part of the deal, who knows? Even if the compo is in the £10's of 000's that is still a sum that needs negotiating or are you saying just pay whatever Swindon want? I get the bit about journalistic freedom....but there has always been a right of reply...TS replied and at the time didnt support the narrative of "I understand a 2 yr deal has been agreed" I really don't get what the 'beef' is all about.....we will in the fullness of time find out what's happening.....as I previously stated.
My mate is getting bored with me asking questions, but got the following this AM. Sounds like the imminent word could be appropriate.
Sandergaard is in the country so it should be announced soon. As before. Garner is a done deal and they are dotting I's and crossing t's on the other two. Compo debate on going but not miles apart.
Interesting because that is what Conor is also saying:
I thought it was all done when Cawley said it was?
As always, it's not a huge conspiracy, just charlton busy bodies whinging while it's in process and Garner has already input his thoughts into recruitment with Gallen and we've been working on that simultaneously.
Drama queens a plenty in our fanbase.
In which case you'll presumably agree there was no need for TS/RM to rubbish the stories in the media?
I thought you said this morning that it had all been sorted out when Crawley published and now you are saying they are still negotiating on his back room staff.
To me that makes TS/RM completely right. If all aspects of the agreement have not been finalised it is clearly not a done deal.
You can sign a contract to buy a house, but if the carpet and curtains you agreed were to be included are not there, the deal is off. You would be perfectly within your rights to walk away, and so can Garner.
Maybe it would have been better if Cawley had used a few more words to describe exactly his understanding in the first place. Something along the lines that a deal had been agreed subject to his back room staff coming with him.
Cawley quite clearly stated it was Garner who had agreed a deal. No mention of the backroom staff. This ties in with other snippets we’re hearing of Garner being at the training ground etc. Cawley wasn’t the only one to report this remember. Swindon press, TalkSport and The Athletic all did too.
This is still correct though? The only reason there's been so much discussion and doubt over this is because Sandgard and Raelynn implied that Garner wasn't getting the job at all.
I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it.
Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus.
I’m defending or attacking it, it’s just a little surprising to me, but if his tactic is to make sure it’s the absolute right one then so be it.
Doesn't take a semi competent league one club 5 weeks to appoint a manager, in the off season.
Why though? What’s wrong with negotiating a deal to suit us as well as them, if I could drag the purchase of something expensive out to save a few quid I probably would, it’s not critical right now, I’ll admit I was nervous but I don’t see why haggling over compensation makes us incompetent.
Because we fucked up last season due to our inactivity all summer and lack of preparation. Jackson has been sacked nearly 5 weeks ago, seemingly without any sort of succession plan as we still have no manager on June 7th.
Since Jackson has left, he's gone on holiday, interviewed for / got a new job, and made his first signing.
Fleetwood sacked their manager May 4th, they have a new manager in place and have already made their first signing.
I'll have a wager with you now that we finish above Fleetwood...
I think that's the consensus but how much there is to haggle over is unclear. These guys are unlikely to be on £100k pa, so the negotiation will probably be in the £10ks. Obviously you want the best deal, but relative to the football budget it's not going to be a huge difference.
Exactly what i was thinking, it's not as if we're trying to poach Klopp. These are league 2 coaching staff.
Very true, but it all adds up. TS had to agree compo with Swindon re Garner and then negotiate personal terms, which would have been higher than they were at Swindon, before doing the same with the other two.
Twenty new pages since I last skimmed through this. I'm happy to see the Martin Sandgaard stuff seems to have gone elsewhere, and the debate seems to be around managerial appointments. I genuinely hope in twenty pages time, we have a confirmed appointment (frankly, Garner wasn't on my radar but I'm happy to see us start with him now) and let's hope for some squad rebuilding to follow.
Can someone more informed than me explain how a deal on compensation may work.
In my head I just see it as the classic
‘10,000’ ’5,000’ ’7,500’ Deal
Sort of situation.
But presume it’s more than just a numbers game if it takes this long.
If it's like The Apprentice, Thomas will be negotiating the price as the leader of Team Infinity, when another member of the team will interrupt him with a final number to claim credit for doing the deal.
Followed by Thomas moaning to the camera about Steve Gallen jumping in like that, and that he would have got a better deal by himself. And bringing it up again with Lord Sugar in the Boardroom slanging match the next day.
And a view from left field-- Quote- The Zynex mission is to improve the quality of patience- WTF. We all know its to rip the patience off in this 'Land of the Free'' Thank God for Universal Health Care, With all its problems ,100% better than the U S
The NHS buys equipment too you know, from the very same markets as the Americans. It’s not all altruism that makes the NHS run.
Who can forget the Private Finance Initiative?! And the paying £11k for every single use of the loaned MRI scanner in our hospitals?! It is a disaster.
most people probably do not believe this to be true a story made up to sell papers. Sadly it is not. i worked at the queen Elizabeth. i wanted to move a whiteboard. the company we would have to pay quoted 70 pounds to take it down and 150 pounds to put it up at the other end of the wall. I said NO.
Sadly with the PPI contracts theres actually a lot the NHS can get for free as part of the contract. Replacements when things break down, i say sadly because that aspect of the contract is rarely used and when things break down they are binned without making a claim. No one manages those contracts from the NHS side of things sadly not properly atleast.
Not exactly on topic I know but more factual then all the speculation flying around on this thread
I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it.
Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus.
I’m defending or attacking it, it’s just a little surprising to me, but if his tactic is to make sure it’s the absolute right one then so be it.
Doesn't take a semi competent league one club 5 weeks to appoint a manager, in the off season.
Why though? What’s wrong with negotiating a deal to suit us as well as them, if I could drag the purchase of something expensive out to save a few quid I probably would, it’s not critical right now, I’ll admit I was nervous but I don’t see why haggling over compensation makes us incompetent.
Because we fucked up last season due to our inactivity all summer and lack of preparation. Jackson has been sacked nearly 5 weeks ago, seemingly without any sort of succession plan as we still have no manager on June 7th.
Since Jackson has left, he's gone on holiday, interviewed for / got a new job, and made his first signing.
Fleetwood sacked their manager May 4th, they have a new manager in place and have already made their first signing.
Can't disagree with this but Swindon's last game was 16 May (about 3 weeks ago) and Cawley broke the storey about Garner being agreed on 25 May (9 days later). Since then negotians seem to be with the two coaches and not the manager. If Cawley was right and it just hasn't been announced yet then there will be things going on behind the scenes with Garner involved.
I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it.
Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus.
I’m defending or attacking it, it’s just a little surprising to me, but if his tactic is to make sure it’s the absolute right one then so be it.
Doesn't take a semi competent league one club 5 weeks to appoint a manager, in the off season.
Why though? What’s wrong with negotiating a deal to suit us as well as them, if I could drag the purchase of something expensive out to save a few quid I probably would, it’s not critical right now, I’ll admit I was nervous but I don’t see why haggling over compensation makes us incompetent.
Because we fucked up last season due to our inactivity all summer and lack of preparation. Jackson has been sacked nearly 5 weeks ago, seemingly without any sort of succession plan as we still have no manager on June 7th.
Since Jackson has left, he's gone on holiday, interviewed for / got a new job, and made his first signing.
Fleetwood sacked their manager May 4th, they have a new manager in place and have already made their first signing.
I get all that but you know full well we have a plan as at today, they’re obviously cross t’s and dotting i’s. I get all the frustration and I’m with you, but I think some are getting too panicked, there’s so so much time to get this summer right, the players aren’t even in the building.
I’ll fully agree with you “if” we end up with a shit squad and are looking at deadbeats come midnight deadline day. But for now I’m happy to see if he’s leant from last season.
I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it.
Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus.
I’m defending or attacking it, it’s just a little surprising to me, but if his tactic is to make sure it’s the absolute right one then so be it.
Doesn't take a semi competent league one club 5 weeks to appoint a manager, in the off season.
Why though? What’s wrong with negotiating a deal to suit us as well as them, if I could drag the purchase of something expensive out to save a few quid I probably would, it’s not critical right now, I’ll admit I was nervous but I don’t see why haggling over compensation makes us incompetent.
Because we fucked up last season due to our inactivity all summer and lack of preparation. Jackson has been sacked nearly 5 weeks ago, seemingly without any sort of succession plan as we still have no manager on June 7th.
Since Jackson has left, he's gone on holiday, interviewed for / got a new job, and made his first signing.
Fleetwood sacked their manager May 4th, they have a new manager in place and have already made their first signing.
It’s probable that we’ve got our man, and he’s working behind the scenes before it’s announced. It’s also possible we have signings ready to go when the window opens. Garner could well have had a hand in recruitment as he probably ‘signed’ a couple of weeks ago.
While we’d all have liked it to be announced as well, I don’t think it’s the big disaster some feel it is. Yes, for football insiders a few eyebrows may have been raised about the optics/coms, which is a shame.
I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it.
Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus.
I’m defending or attacking it, it’s just a little surprising to me, but if his tactic is to make sure it’s the absolute right one then so be it.
Doesn't take a semi competent league one club 5 weeks to appoint a manager, in the off season.
Why though? What’s wrong with negotiating a deal to suit us as well as them, if I could drag the purchase of something expensive out to save a few quid I probably would, it’s not critical right now, I’ll admit I was nervous but I don’t see why haggling over compensation makes us incompetent.
Because we fucked up last season due to our inactivity all summer and lack of preparation. Jackson has been sacked nearly 5 weeks ago, seemingly without any sort of succession plan as we still have no manager on June 7th.
Since Jackson has left, he's gone on holiday, interviewed for / got a new job, and made his first signing.
Fleetwood sacked their manager May 4th, they have a new manager in place and have already made their first signing.
I get all that but you know full well we have a plan as at today, they’re obviously cross t’s and dotting i’s. I get all the frustration and I’m with you, but I think some are getting too panicked, there’s so so much time to get this summer right, the players aren’t even in the building.
I’ll fully agree with you “if” we end up with a shit squad and are looking at deadbeats come midnight deadline day. But for now I’m happy to see if he’s leant from last season.
I dunno mate, 7 & a half weeks until the first game of the season doesn’t seem like a lot of time when we need 7/8 players for the first xi + x amount as squad players.
I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it.
Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus.
I’m defending or attacking it, it’s just a little surprising to me, but if his tactic is to make sure it’s the absolute right one then so be it.
Doesn't take a semi competent league one club 5 weeks to appoint a manager, in the off season.
Why though? What’s wrong with negotiating a deal to suit us as well as them, if I could drag the purchase of something expensive out to save a few quid I probably would, it’s not critical right now, I’ll admit I was nervous but I don’t see why haggling over compensation makes us incompetent.
Because we fucked up last season due to our inactivity all summer and lack of preparation. Jackson has been sacked nearly 5 weeks ago, seemingly without any sort of succession plan as we still have no manager on June 7th.
Since Jackson has left, he's gone on holiday, interviewed for / got a new job, and made his first signing.
Fleetwood sacked their manager May 4th, they have a new manager in place and have already made their first signing.
I get all that but you know full well we have a plan as at today, they’re obviously cross t’s and dotting i’s. I get all the frustration and I’m with you, but I think some are getting too panicked, there’s so so much time to get this summer right, the players aren’t even in the building.
I’ll fully agree with you “if” we end up with a shit squad and are looking at deadbeats come midnight deadline day. But for now I’m happy to see if he’s leant from last season.
I dunno mate, 7 & a half weeks until the first game of the season doesn’t seem like a lot of time when we need 7/8 players for the first xi + x amount as squad players.
Fair point but that’s where we’ll probably disagree. Im not saying he will get it right I'm saying there is plenty of time and chances to get it right.
I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it.
Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus.
I’m defending or attacking it, it’s just a little surprising to me, but if his tactic is to make sure it’s the absolute right one then so be it.
Doesn't take a semi competent league one club 5 weeks to appoint a manager, in the off season.
Semi competent you say. I think I see the problem.
I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it.
Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus.
I’m defending or attacking it, it’s just a little surprising to me, but if his tactic is to make sure it’s the absolute right one then so be it.
Doesn't take a semi competent league one club 5 weeks to appoint a manager, in the off season.
Why though? What’s wrong with negotiating a deal to suit us as well as them, if I could drag the purchase of something expensive out to save a few quid I probably would, it’s not critical right now, I’ll admit I was nervous but I don’t see why haggling over compensation makes us incompetent.
Because we fucked up last season due to our inactivity all summer and lack of preparation. Jackson has been sacked nearly 5 weeks ago, seemingly without any sort of succession plan as we still have no manager on June 7th.
Since Jackson has left, he's gone on holiday, interviewed for / got a new job, and made his first signing.
Fleetwood sacked their manager May 4th, they have a new manager in place and have already made their first signing.
I get all that but you know full well we have a plan as at today, they’re obviously cross t’s and dotting i’s. I get all the frustration and I’m with you, but I think some are getting too panicked, there’s so so much time to get this summer right, the players aren’t even in the building.
I’ll fully agree with you “if” we end up with a shit squad and are looking at deadbeats come midnight deadline day. But for now I’m happy to see if he’s leant from last season.
I dunno mate, 7 & a half weeks until the first game of the season doesn’t seem like a lot of time when we need 7/8 players for the first xi + x amount as squad players.
Fair point but that’s where we’ll probably disagree. Im not saying he will get it right I'm saying there is plenty of time and chances to get it right.
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Since Jackson has left, he's gone on holiday, interviewed for / got a new job, and made his first signing.
Fleetwood sacked their manager May 4th, they have a new manager in place and have already made their first signing.
I get the bit about journalistic freedom....but there has always been a right of reply...TS replied and at the time didnt support the narrative of "I understand a 2 yr deal has been agreed" I really don't get what the 'beef' is all about.....we will in the fullness of time find out what's happening.....as I previously stated.
And not the Swindon squad as a job lot
Followed by Thomas moaning to the camera about Steve Gallen jumping in like that, and that he would have got a better deal by himself. And bringing it up again with Lord Sugar in the Boardroom slanging match the next day.
Yes, for football insiders a few eyebrows may have been raised about the optics/coms, which is a shame.
I think I see the problem.