Posting without reading since the announcement at midday.
The more I think about it, the more I read and listen and learn, the more this addresses so many issues I brought up in my previews last season.
One thing that has really stuck out to me, away from the whole attacking, possession, shots and all that data, is the one word I hoped would be used from Garner early on. Identity.
What we have lacked since our last promotion season was an identity. I don’t think any of us could say we knew what we were, we knew what our identity was and our approach and a true style of play. Because of that lack of identity, along with the frustrations that occurred throughout last season, and the season before, and the season before that, I truly believe it played a big factor in the lack of discipline that ran throughout the club.
No one in football is successful without a true identity, whatever that may be. And instilling an identity and recognising that process and each step that needs to be made within it is a fundamental part of our pre-season plans.
Getting recruitment right is going to be so crucial, but we all know that. But getting it right to allow Garner to implement his identity on the team in a successful and smooth way is actually even more integral.
Now is really where all the talking needs to stop and we go out and do our business. Now all the moaning and whining needs to stop and we go out and support the team, the players, and the management as much as possible with the knowledge that this process will have lows and it’s not all going to be domination and free flowing every week. Now we need to look forward and as each day goes by, leading up to the opening game of the season, I hope the excitement and anticipation grows with it.
This type of appointment, creating an identity throughout the club that we are going to take forward and improve on, is exactly what we needed as we were unfortunately heading for the abyss. The tide has turned and brighter futures could be round the corner.
Good luck, Ben.
Sage your name is so accurate you wise fellow ! Hopefully the fans will indeed get behind the team this season even when we lose 2-3 to accrington after 3 suicidal balls across the back line give goals away 🙄 it will take a little bit of time to adapt and implement but I'm sure it's the right way to move forward as a club.
Big red flag then, especially when they’d been mentioned as very much part of Garner’s success.
Stop being alarmist. It really is not a red flag, it is probably just negotiation anyway.
Spin it round and look at things from Swindon Towns perspective. They will now be trying to recruit a manager who will no doubt want to bring his back room boys in with him. What are they going to do with the coaches in place at the moment? Pay them off?
Getting rid without having to pay up their contracts then looks a good option. The less paid to Swindon the better IMO and the pressure is now all on them now that Garner has actually signed.
I am not convinced we need both either. I personally would not like JE binned as I think he is a talented coach.
Garner’s success has by several Swindon fans been attributed to him AND his coaching team. As has already been mentioned, the compensation would likely be in the 10’s of thousands, so in what is a crucial period in the future of this club, such relatively minimal costs should be expended to get the coaching team needed, especially if that’s what BG wants and it sounds like it is.
With our need for more coaches as we move toward Cat 1 status I would suggest Euell will find a role but tbh like a number of others I don’t have an issue with a full sweep of the coaching team.
I wonder if those are the same Swindon fans who complain that they just pass the ball around all game and never shoot...despite having the most shots on target of any team in League 2 last season. You can't trust fans of the manager's previous club. If I wanted an honest opinion on how Jackson did last season the last person I would ask would be a Charlton fan
Right. So it's now official and he's come out and said how he wants to play. I don't think there's many fans who don't want to see us play in a more attractive manner. To see us play with players who are confident of having the ball. Players who actually want the ball.
All we, as fans, need to remember is there will be times it doesn't work. There will be times we concede goals from "fucking about with it" and times where we won't just "knock it forwards" but as BG himself has said, we want to change the ethos of the club and to play like this throughout the ages groups. The U18's particularly play nice and neat football and take the occasional risks and anyone who has seen them in the last couple of seasons has said how refreshing they are to watch. Won't it be nice if the first team can replicate that!
I particularly like the way he says we will have a style of play that is the same both home and away. It's now going to be up to the opposition to nullify us whereas we have been far too predictable previously. I look forward to seeing us playing it around the opponents and watching them get knackered and watching players like JFC and Fraser pulling the strings. I also wonder if BG will be able to harness Albie Morgan and get the best value out of him
Obviously there will need to be a number of new bodies and a change in the way the existing ones train and play but if it improves them, and us, I'm all for it.
I'm mildly excited and hope he gets a bit of time and patience, from fans and TS alike, to deliver
We played a similar style under Bowyer at times, especially in our promotion season.
No we didn’t. We had players breaking forward quickly and scored a lot of goals on the counter. At no point under bowyer were we playing patient, intricate football
In league 1 we usually had a lot of the ball, didn't have that much pace in the team (especially when Grant left) and didn't play with wingers. Wouldn't say we were a counter attacking team at all. We played out from the back, usually had good possession and Taylor was brilliant at pressing from the front (as was Parker although quite shit at football). We played at a very high intensity early on in games and then would see them out often by keeping the ball, we even scored a lot of late goals ourselves as oppositions were tired at chasing the ball (which then happened to us a lot in the championship)
Big red flag then, especially when they’d been mentioned as very much part of Garner’s success.
Stop being alarmist. It really is not a red flag, it is probably just negotiation anyway.
Spin it round and look at things from Swindon Towns perspective. They will now be trying to recruit a manager who will no doubt want to bring his back room boys in with him. What are they going to do with the coaches in place at the moment? Pay them off?
Getting rid without having to pay up their contracts then looks a good option. The less paid to Swindon the better IMO and the pressure is now all on them now that Garner has actually signed.
I am not convinced we need both either. I personally would not like JE binned as I think he is a talented coach.
Garner’s success has by several Swindon fans been attributed to him AND his coaching team. As has already been mentioned, the compensation would likely be in the 10’s of thousands, so in what is a crucial period in the future of this club, such relatively minimal costs should be expended to get the coaching team needed, especially if that’s what BG wants and it sounds like it is.
With our need for more coaches as we move toward Cat 1 status I would suggest Euell will find a role but tbh like a number of others I don’t have an issue with a full sweep of the coaching team.
I wonder if those are the same Swindon fans who complain that they just pass the ball around all game and never shoot...despite having the most shots on target of any team in League 2 last season. You can't trust fans of the manager's previous club. If I wanted an honest opinion on how Jackson did last season the last person I would ask would be a Charlton fan
Who would you ask then (as a fan I mean)? Genuine question. The Swindon fans will often have differing opinions, like many Charlton fans but I still think you’ll get some semblance of how things have occurred listening to them as like society things tend to balance out when it comes to views.
Gallen confirms that for every transfer since Sandgaard has come in, the Manager has been asked does he want them or not.
Some people on this thread should hang their head in shame.
Recruitment process is completely clarified in Gallen's interview for those interested.
Every time Gallen explains the recruitment it's different.
A veto is only worth while if you have a choice.
They have changed what they are saying. The questions are were they all failing to explain the process correctly? Perhaps, they are telling us what we want to hear? Maybe, they are giving Garner more say than Adkins and Jackson?
I'm actually really excited about this one. No-one can guarantee success but at the very least we appear to have brought in a manager who will try and introduce an attacking style after the turgid dreck we've had for the past few years. He's got very recent experience of coming into a club in need of a big squad rebuild and very quickly getting results. Was 3 points off automatics last season. Swindon fans can talk about a lack of plan B all they want but when you score more goals than anyone else in the division wondering why you don't just lump it up top for once is a pretty decent summary of how ridiculous football fans are. The recruitment will be important now but that's our next challenge. Fingers crossed even if we don't have total success we can still enjoy some of the football next season
If Josh Davison scores his penalty they’re probably not talking about ‘plan B’ and they may get promoted and Garner isn’t our new manager. Funny world.
Right. So it's now official and he's come out and said how he wants to play. I don't think there's many fans who don't want to see us play in a more attractive manner. To see us play with players who are confident of having the ball. Players who actually want the ball.
All we, as fans, need to remember is there will be times it doesn't work. There will be times we concede goals from "fucking about with it" and times where we won't just "knock it forwards" but as BG himself has said, we want to change the ethos of the club and to play like this throughout the ages groups. The U18's particularly play nice and neat football and take the occasional risks and anyone who has seen them in the last couple of seasons has said how refreshing they are to watch. Won't it be nice if the first team can replicate that!
I particularly like the way he says we will have a style of play that is the same both home and away. It's now going to be up to the opposition to nullify us whereas we have been far too predictable previously. I look forward to seeing us playing it around the opponents and watching them get knackered and watching players like JFC and Fraser pulling the strings. I also wonder if BG will be able to harness Albie Morgan and get the best value out of him
Obviously there will need to be a number of new bodies and a change in the way the existing ones train and play but if it improves them, and us, I'm all for it.
I'm mildly excited and hope he gets a bit of time and patience, from fans and TS alike, to deliver
We played a similar style under Bowyer at times, especially in our promotion season.
No we didn’t. We had players breaking forward quickly and scored a lot of goals on the counter. At no point under bowyer were we playing patient, intricate football
In league 1 we usually had a lot of the ball, didn't have that much pace in the team (especially when Grant left) and didn't play with wingers. Wouldn't say we were a counter attacking team at all. We played out from the back, usually had good possession and Taylor was brilliant at pressing from the front (as was Parker although quite shit at football). We played at a very high intensity early on in games and then would see them out often by keeping the ball, we even scored a lot of late goals ourselves as oppositions were tired at chasing the ball (which then happened to us a lot in the championship)
This is year one. If we have a decent playing style and look like we know what we're doing by the end of the year I will be happy.
People demanding promotion on day one of Ben being in the role don't really have a clue about the mountain he's facing. Trying to rebuild the club which hasn't really had any changes since the Bowyer days.
Has last year just been wiped from the anals of history?
Gallen confirms that for every transfer since Sandgaard has come in, the Manager has been asked does he want them or not.
Some people on this thread should hang their head in shame.
Recruitment process is completely clarified in Gallen's interview for those interested.
This is good but some have rumoured that Adkins didn’t want Dobson and Clare. That means that he was asked but over ridden. This is a rumours board after all.
Or he was offered them, someone he wanted less, or no one, and thought better to go for the least worst (in his opinion) option.
There’s a bit of flip flopping of the narrative going on, all the interviews are put to us in a positive tense, throughout there is an acceptance of mistakes and how they are going to try to put things right, everything people have been moaning about has been addressed within the interviews and explained how they intend to learn lessons. I think it really is time we as fans collectively do what we do best and get behind our club and help get out of this shit league, I think some attractive signings will really give us hope we can push on with.
I just watched both interviews. Thank goodness for Steve Gallen; the guy talks so much sense and it's clear that TS has complete confidence in him. Hopefully some of the players that he's been "keeping warm" meet Ben's requirements and we can get moving on getting signings done.
I just watched both interviews. Thank goodness for Steve Gallen; the guy talks so much sense and it's clear that TS has complete confidence in him. Hopefully some of the players that he's been "keeping warm" meet Ben's requirements and we can get moving on getting signings done.
Interesting that Gallen blamed HM The Queen for much of the delay.
Big red flag then, especially when they’d been mentioned as very much part of Garner’s success.
Stop being alarmist. It really is not a red flag, it is probably just negotiation anyway.
Spin it round and look at things from Swindon Towns perspective. They will now be trying to recruit a manager who will no doubt want to bring his back room boys in with him. What are they going to do with the coaches in place at the moment? Pay them off?
Getting rid without having to pay up their contracts then looks a good option. The less paid to Swindon the better IMO and the pressure is now all on them now that Garner has actually signed.
I am not convinced we need both either. I personally would not like JE binned as I think he is a talented coach.
Garner’s success has by several Swindon fans been attributed to him AND his coaching team. As has already been mentioned, the compensation would likely be in the 10’s of thousands, so in what is a crucial period in the future of this club, such relatively minimal costs should be expended to get the coaching team needed, especially if that’s what BG wants and it sounds like it is.
With our need for more coaches as we move toward Cat 1 status I would suggest Euell will find a role but tbh like a number of others I don’t have an issue with a full sweep of the coaching team.
I wonder if those are the same Swindon fans who complain that they just pass the ball around all game and never shoot...despite having the most shots on target of any team in League 2 last season. You can't trust fans of the manager's previous club. If I wanted an honest opinion on how Jackson did last season the last person I would ask would be a Charlton fan
Who would you ask then (as a fan I mean)? Genuine question. The Swindon fans will often have differing opinions, like many Charlton fans but I still think you’ll get some semblance of how things have occurred listening to them as like society things tend to balance out when it comes to views.
I'd make my own decision based on the data rather than anecdotes from people who think emotionally. You've talked about the coaching team that is 'needed' based on a few noisy Swindon fans. What's your sample size, 3? 4? Is a couple of Twitter posts really worth tens of thousands of pounds? These coaches might be the best in the world but if that's the case it's not because some fan on Twitter diminishes the role the manager had in their relative success. Especially that these are opinions fans are giving on a manager who has just walked out on them.
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The questions are were they all failing to explain the process correctly?
Perhaps, they are telling us what we want to hear?
Maybe, they are giving Garner more say than Adkins and Jackson?
When the universe stops expanding and then shrinks back again (as in theory will happen) then I'll get back to you on this one.
Good luck.
I'd keep away from Tower Hill, Steve.
Pleased to now hear him say that the manager decides what type of player he wants first. That's the one thing I haven't heard him say before.