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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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Interesting interviews from the Comms team. Busy day for them. Well done. Hope to see a lot more of that.
The senior management seem to be trying to explain in more detail how the recruitment works and who does what, possibly in response to criticism.Certainly Martin Sandgaard’s role is being slightly downplayed from previous remarks.
Whether that is just a clarification or a change as a result of lessons learnt and/or Garner getting a bigger say I'm not sure.It's a move forward for me in that we didn't have a manager and now we do. And potentially a very good one. Time will tell but he does, to repeat the cliche, tick a lot of boxes.I think his two coaches will also come but TS rightly playing that down while still negotiating with them and Swindon.
But maybe Swindon will offer them their vacant managers gig?Also Gallen being front and centre and very much involved is a big positive for me.
He's a proven successful recruiter when allowed to do his job.
Note how he completely failed to acknowledge Driesen. That was because Gallen and Bowyer very effectively "managed up" with the Driesen.
I hope Gallen and Garner can do the same with the Sandgaards.29 -
He also said some on the final shortlist have taken other jobs. Assume Beale is one of those, not sure who the others would be, not that it matters now.Valley11 said:
I wonder who the experienced managers who have premier league experience were who made it to the last 5/6 shortlist that TS mentioned?Callumcafc said:Just had a chance to watch the three interviews on YouTube. Very pleased with all of them.
- Garner speaks well, calm demeanour, knows what needs to be done. Looking forward to seeing what the team looks like in a couple of months time.
- Gallen set a few rumours straight re: our transfer policy etc. Good to hear it from him, a face and name that the fanbase as a whole respects.
- Sandgaard’s switch of focus is undeniable. Not more talk of blowing the league out of the water. Every decision is being made to help give the team the best foundations and the best opportunity to gain as many points as they can.
Whether it all pans out, we’ll find out by summer 2023 but I can’t poke holes in anything the club put out today.
Welcome Ben Garner. Hopefully it’s a long and successful era.
Immaterial now but…
Gary Monk?
Tony Pulis?
Tim Sherwood?
Stuart Pearce?
Others might be John Terry, Jonathan Woodgate?Not important now but interesting.2 -
To the tune of Lee Lee Lee Bow-yer it will be Ben Ben Ben Gar-ner which will be a bit of a low in creativity.
If the fans want the manager to up our game, then Garner has the right to expect the fans to up their game in chants.1 -
that’s fair enough mate. The 4 I think without a doubt are good enough are; Dobson, CBT, JFC and Fraser. Then you can make arguments that Stockley, Innis, Lavelle are good players and even Morgan/DJ/Kirk could be good players in the right setting. Only time will tell. I am certainly more glass half full if that helps hahawmcf123 said:
I'd love to be optimistic, although innate pessimism does mean that you are pleasantly surprised a lot. I don't see the 5-7 though. I can see CBT playing in an attacking side, plus Dobbo as insurance. I can't see any of our strikers playing in a high tempo, high pressing side. JFC would be good enough if he can stay fit; jury massively out on Fraser/Kirk etc.Braziliance said:
And we already have 5-7 before we have even got down to business, if he can get a side like Swindon playing ball with minimal investment, I’m sure he can get a side like ours playing with an owner who puts his money where his mouth iswmcf123 said:
You need good players to be dominant and play attacking football .Braziliance said:Welcome Ben Garner, got an extremely good feeling about this.Reckon we are gonna win by some big scorelines and look like a real dominant side.You’ll have to excuse me as I read a lot of posts, but a regular poster made an excellent point earlier. The last load of managers we have had sort of just fell into managing or did it for the sake of it, we have an experienced, passionate coach here who has been employed by reputable clubs and developed players. I reckon we will see some real improvement in our players individually and I can’t wait to see how we look on the first day of the season
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Good interviews, certainly, and Garner comes across as a bright guy who knows what he is talking about.
However, to achieve the vision of effective high press attacking football in this division requires good athletic players, with strong mentalities who are probably younger too. This will not come cheap and we need 5 or 6 of this ilk who can walk straight into the 1st team.1 -
Not entirely true. Coaching and tactics play a big part as well. Things like starting position, closing off passing routes, and acting in unity are important.charente addick said:Good interviews, certainly, and Garner comes across as a bright guy who knows what he is talking about.
However, to achieve the vision of effective high press attacking football in this division requires good athletic players, with strong mentalities who are probably younger too. This will not come cheap and we need 5 or 6 of this ilk who can walk straight into the 1st team.
I would also argue that the attributes you list apply are basic requirements for any footballer we would want to see at our Club.0 -
So a question.
When was the last time we took a in work manager from another club?
Dowie had resigned, the Belgian network moving the deckchairs on the Titanic doesn't count.
Tarbuck was unemployed as were Slade, Mullery and Parkinson, Jacko and Bowyer inhouse as were Bailey, Craggs, Lawrence, Curbs and Gritt, Firmani and Foley. Powell was employed but as a coach not a manager.
So I make it that the last manager we took from another club was Andy Nelson in 1974!
Before that I'm not sure about Stokoe but otherwise it might be Jimmy Seed.16 -
JamesSeed said:
The 45 minutes v Forest at The Valley?CAFCsayer said:
No we didn’t. We had players breaking forward quickly and scored a lot of goals on the counter. At no point under bowyer were we playing patient, intricate footballThe Red Robin said:
We played a similar style under Bowyer at times, especially in our promotion season.Swisdom said:Right. So it's now official and he's come out and said how he wants to play. I don't think there's many fans who don't want to see us play in a more attractive manner. To see us play with players who are confident of having the ball. Players who actually want the ball.
All we, as fans, need to remember is there will be times it doesn't work. There will be times we concede goals from "fucking about with it" and times where we won't just "knock it forwards" but as BG himself has said, we want to change the ethos of the club and to play like this throughout the ages groups. The U18's particularly play nice and neat football and take the occasional risks and anyone who has seen them in the last couple of seasons has said how refreshing they are to watch. Won't it be nice if the first team can replicate that!
I particularly like the way he says we will have a style of play that is the same both home and away. It's now going to be up to the opposition to nullify us whereas we have been far too predictable previously. I look forward to seeing us playing it around the opponents and watching them get knackered and watching players like JFC and Fraser pulling the strings. I also wonder if BG will be able to harness Albie Morgan and get the best value out of him
Obviously there will need to be a number of new bodies and a change in the way the existing ones train and play but if it improves them, and us, I'm all for it.
I'm mildly excited and hope he gets a bit of time and patience, from fans and TS alike, to deliver
The football geeks(proud to wear that badge) on CL agreed it was the best passing and link up play we had seen for ? We will say decades.
Now that 1st half was brilliant but when Forest finally woke up in the 2nd half the game ended up 1-1.
It was great that the rose coloured glasses were on yesterday, even by Golfie and the reality is that we want to emulate the excellent passing side of Brighton under Gus Poyet that totally out played Charlton at the Valley in League 1 and WON, also Bournemouth that played an attacking game under Howe and had an identity as they rose up the divisions which culminated in that master class at the valley with their Championship win.
If we win like Rotherham managed in League 1 in a functional manner it's not going to be enough for many judging by the comments on CL. And they are playing in the Championship before coming right back down again.
It's can't just be possession football as we had 67% against Morecambe but we gave away 3 bad goals so our 2 goals from good build up play counted for nothing.
I would love it, really love it(thanks Kevin) if we could have an identity under Garner and play some sweet passing moves and Score but you know that the old clichés of Tatically naive and no plan B will be seen on CL or heard at the ground when we get hit in transition and lose games as night follows day.
Enjoy the Honey moon Ben Garner because the Charlton crowd turn quicker than Johan Cruyff in his pomp.
It's 100% support from me as this journey to the promised land takes place on good and bad result days.
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As far as I am concerned if we do what Rotherham did last season I will be well satisfied.5
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Karel Fraeye joined from VW Hamme, a Belgian third tier club at the time and not part of Roland’s network.Henry Irving said:So a question.
When was the last time we took a in work manager from another club?
Dowie had resigned, the Belgian network moving the deckchairs on the Titanic doesn't count.
Tarbuck was unemployed as were Slade, Mullery and Parkinson, Jacko and Bowyer inhouse as were Bailey, Craggs, Lawrence, Curbs and Gritt, Firmani and Foley. Powell was employed but as a coach not a manager.
So I make it that the last manager we took from another club was Andy Nelson in 1974!
Before that I'm not sure about Stokoe but otherwise it might be Jimmy Seed.4 -
aliwibble said:
Thankfully things have moved on since you posted that this morning @soapboxsam, cos my brain is mush at the moment, so I've generally been skipping big chunks of this thread. And that was before the dodgy perm posts started.soapboxsam said:If only someone could do a summary of the verbatim quotes from Thomas Sandgaard and a Bona fide Journalist on the SLP or the Swindon roundabout sports advertiser but not posters who say they have a mate who told them or folk on the internet called Sausage or Conor just in case it turns out to be attention seekers who just rehash what they hear from each other.Both Airman Brown and buttleJR are good sources as the former has a track record of garnering info from the inner circle over the years and the latter has a connection with Thomas who tells him information which may be smoke and mirrors but young JR passes on in good faith.There is only one person who is a course and distance winner in this skill on CL ?I call for super woman @aliwibble to separate out the wheat from the chaff.
Ali, I'm so pleased the impasse finished and you never have to start an abridged version that you undertook when breaking down the Guinness book of records thread. Your green perm will never be mentioned again.
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The event which explains our fierce rivalry with VW Hamme, whose fans still haven’t forgiven us.Scoham said:
Karel Fraeye joined from VW Hamme, a Belgian third tier club at the time and not part of Roland’s network.Henry Irving said:So a question.
When was the last time we took a in work manager from another club?
Dowie had resigned, the Belgian network moving the deckchairs on the Titanic doesn't count.
Tarbuck was unemployed as were Slade, Mullery and Parkinson, Jacko and Bowyer inhouse as were Bailey, Craggs, Lawrence, Curbs and Gritt, Firmani and Foley. Powell was employed but as a coach not a manager.
So I make it that the last manager we took from another club was Andy Nelson in 1974!
Before that I'm not sure about Stokoe but otherwise it might be Jimmy Seed.13 -
Did they give us compensation?Scoham said:
Karel Fraeye joined from VW Hamme, a Belgian third tier club at the time and not part of Roland’s network.Henry Irving said:So a question.
When was the last time we took a in work manager from another club?
Dowie had resigned, the Belgian network moving the deckchairs on the Titanic doesn't count.
Tarbuck was unemployed as were Slade, Mullery and Parkinson, Jacko and Bowyer inhouse as were Bailey, Craggs, Lawrence, Curbs and Gritt, Firmani and Foley. Powell was employed but as a coach not a manager.
So I make it that the last manager we took from another club was Andy Nelson in 1974!
Before that I'm not sure about Stokoe but otherwise it might be Jimmy Seed.20 -
Totally agree in theory, but plenty of owners are on the phone almost every day and want to have their say on the footballing side, it’s just they don’t speak to the press or post on social media.shirty5 said:
Take a lesson from the American owner at Millwall. Hardly hear from him and let’s people get on with their businessElfsborgAddick said:I wish Sandgaard would button it regards matters on the field, he should leave it to the coaches.0 -
My daughter brought her Tottenham supporting boyfriend to that game and he left with a completely false impression of what it’s like to support Charlton.soapboxsam said:JamesSeed said:
The 45 minutes v Forest at The Valley?CAFCsayer said:
No we didn’t. We had players breaking forward quickly and scored a lot of goals on the counter. At no point under bowyer were we playing patient, intricate footballThe Red Robin said:
We played a similar style under Bowyer at times, especially in our promotion season.Swisdom said:Right. So it's now official and he's come out and said how he wants to play. I don't think there's many fans who don't want to see us play in a more attractive manner. To see us play with players who are confident of having the ball. Players who actually want the ball.
All we, as fans, need to remember is there will be times it doesn't work. There will be times we concede goals from "fucking about with it" and times where we won't just "knock it forwards" but as BG himself has said, we want to change the ethos of the club and to play like this throughout the ages groups. The U18's particularly play nice and neat football and take the occasional risks and anyone who has seen them in the last couple of seasons has said how refreshing they are to watch. Won't it be nice if the first team can replicate that!
I particularly like the way he says we will have a style of play that is the same both home and away. It's now going to be up to the opposition to nullify us whereas we have been far too predictable previously. I look forward to seeing us playing it around the opponents and watching them get knackered and watching players like JFC and Fraser pulling the strings. I also wonder if BG will be able to harness Albie Morgan and get the best value out of him
Obviously there will need to be a number of new bodies and a change in the way the existing ones train and play but if it improves them, and us, I'm all for it.
I'm mildly excited and hope he gets a bit of time and patience, from fans and TS alike, to deliver
The football geeks(proud to wear that badge) on CL agreed it was the best passing and link up play we had seen for ? We will say decades.
Now that 1st half was brilliant but when Forest finally woke up in the 2nd half the game ended up 1-1.7 -
Henry Irving said:So a question.
When was the last time we took a in work manager from another club?
Dowie had resigned, the Belgian network moving the deckchairs on the Titanic doesn't count.
Tarbuck was unemployed as were Slade, Mullery and Parkinson, Jacko and Bowyer inhouse as were Bailey, Craggs, Lawrence, Curbs and Gritt, Firmani and Foley. Powell was employed but as a coach not a manager.
So I make it that the last manager we took from another club was Andy Nelson in 1974!
Before that I'm not sure about Stokoe but otherwise it might be Jimmy Seed.
Millwall Bob is a grey area, he was waasland manager while we were linked with him and pretty much nailed on for the job with us, BUT he did technically quit then join us a week later. Waasland claimed there may have been and illegal approach made.
So, Peeters maybe, kinda, yes.. no.1 -
Scoham said:
Karel Fraeye joined from VW Hamme, a Belgian third tier club at the time and not part of Roland’s network.Henry Irving said:So a question.
When was the last time we took a in work manager from another club?
Dowie had resigned, the Belgian network moving the deckchairs on the Titanic doesn't count.
Tarbuck was unemployed as were Slade, Mullery and Parkinson, Jacko and Bowyer inhouse as were Bailey, Craggs, Lawrence, Curbs and Gritt, Firmani and Foley. Powell was employed but as a coach not a manager.
So I make it that the last manager we took from another club was Andy Nelson in 1974!
Before that I'm not sure about Stokoe but otherwise it might be Jimmy Seed.
It's comedy time.
The compensation for Karel Fraeye was....1 -
Nail on head moment right there.soapboxsam said:JamesSeed said:
The 45 minutes v Forest at The Valley?CAFCsayer said:
No we didn’t. We had players breaking forward quickly and scored a lot of goals on the counter. At no point under bowyer were we playing patient, intricate footballThe Red Robin said:
We played a similar style under Bowyer at times, especially in our promotion season.Swisdom said:Right. So it's now official and he's come out and said how he wants to play. I don't think there's many fans who don't want to see us play in a more attractive manner. To see us play with players who are confident of having the ball. Players who actually want the ball.
All we, as fans, need to remember is there will be times it doesn't work. There will be times we concede goals from "fucking about with it" and times where we won't just "knock it forwards" but as BG himself has said, we want to change the ethos of the club and to play like this throughout the ages groups. The U18's particularly play nice and neat football and take the occasional risks and anyone who has seen them in the last couple of seasons has said how refreshing they are to watch. Won't it be nice if the first team can replicate that!
I particularly like the way he says we will have a style of play that is the same both home and away. It's now going to be up to the opposition to nullify us whereas we have been far too predictable previously. I look forward to seeing us playing it around the opponents and watching them get knackered and watching players like JFC and Fraser pulling the strings. I also wonder if BG will be able to harness Albie Morgan and get the best value out of him
Obviously there will need to be a number of new bodies and a change in the way the existing ones train and play but if it improves them, and us, I'm all for it.
I'm mildly excited and hope he gets a bit of time and patience, from fans and TS alike, to deliver
The football geeks(proud to wear that badge) on CL agreed it was the best passing and link up play we had seen for ? We will say decades.
Now that 1st half was brilliant but when Forest finally woke up in the 2nd half the game ended up 1-1.
It was great that the rose coloured glasses were on yesterday, even by Golfie and the reality is that we want to emulate the excellent passing side of Brighton under Gus Poyet that totally out played Charlton at the Valley in League 1 and WON, also Bournemouth that played an attacking game under Howe and had an identity as they rose up the divisions which culminated in that master class at the valley with their Championship win.
If we win like Rotherham managed in League 1 in a functional manner it's not going to be enough for many judging by the comments on CL. And they are playing in the Championship before coming right back down again.
It's can't just be possession football as we had 67% against Morecambe but we gave away 3 bad goals so our 2 goals from good build up play counted for nothing.
I would love it, really love it(thanks Kevin) if we could have an identity under Garner and play some sweet passing moves and Score but you know that the old clichés of Tatically naive and no plan B will be seen on CL or heard at the ground when we get hit in transition and lose games as night follows day.
Enjoy the Honey moon Ben Garner because the Charlton crowd turn quicker than Johan Cruyff in his pomp.
It's 100% support from me as this journey to the promised land takes place on good and bad result days.
That Forest game was so entertaining. I recall a similar performance against Bristol City when we won 4-1 I think - such excellent flowing football. But isnt it sad that I really vividly remember a couple of standout games from the 40 years of supporting this club. I sincerely hope the days of us being entertaining to watch will be more frequent but im also really excited about us forming an identity as a club. Feels like a new start3 -
We gave a statue of Karel Fraeye Winking; I have put the ball in the area so I want the assist when that is edited !
Two new Laundry baskets for VW Hammer changing room.0 - Sponsored links:
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Glad it’s done and we can move forward to building the squad and hopefully fixing the balance of it as well.Good interviews from all 3 Yesterday just hope that the plans discussed are implemented and this is the start of a structure being put in place, if I was TS I would want Ben Chorley to come in as well to help with that but can’t see it.I have voiced concerns of how things are going under TS but always believe he is doing what he thinks is best for the club and is desperate to be successful, I really hope it is.Can start looking forward to some new faces.0
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I'm not sure that it was a pop at Stockley. JJ, probably. Stockley scores goals and wins his fair share of headers. But in my opinion, his hold up play, back to goal, is not his strength. Playing the ball long up to him was not a good tactic and rarely gave us possession in the attacking third. Carl Leaburn he is not. Under the new regime he is likely to still have a role if we play out wide and put his A-game to work.Braziliance said:On another note, watching the TS interviews? Is he having a pop at JJ/Stockley? Obviously there’s whispers of Stockley wanting out and Wednesday being linked by one of their local journos, TS says something along the lines of ‘the days of knocking it up to a big striker are over’. Feels like a bit of a pop when you consider that was our previous managers style and our main strikers strength..
I am not opposed to selling Stockley if it means it makes way for other strikers who have looked good like Alfie May or Stockton.
Get the feeling based on our owner, manager and style we we trying to implement that Stockley will be off0 -
Well I tried my best! What did you expect .... from a fish! 🐟seth plum said:To the tune of Lee Lee Lee Bow-yer it will be Ben Ben Ben Gar-ner which will be a bit of a low in creativity.
If the fans want the manager to up our game, then Garner has the right to expect the fans to up their game in chants.
I'm looking at BeeGee songs for inspiration now because of his initials, but I think another club uses 'Islands in the Stream', so that's out.
There's always 2Unlimited's, 'There's no Limit' to fall back on.
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Ben BenBen Ben Ben BenBen Ben Ben BenBen Ben Ben, Ben Garner!
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yes but an amateur club and he'd been part of his newtwork before as Riga's assistant. I refuse to accept that we paid any compensation or that Fraeye even had a contract with the Dog and Duck XIScoham said:
Karel Fraeye joined from VW Hamme, a Belgian third tier club at the time and not part of Roland’s network.Henry Irving said:So a question.
When was the last time we took a in work manager from another club?
Dowie had resigned, the Belgian network moving the deckchairs on the Titanic doesn't count.
Tarbuck was unemployed as were Slade, Mullery and Parkinson, Jacko and Bowyer inhouse as were Bailey, Craggs, Lawrence, Curbs and Gritt, Firmani and Foley. Powell was employed but as a coach not a manager.
So I make it that the last manager we took from another club was Andy Nelson in 1974!
Before that I'm not sure about Stokoe but otherwise it might be Jimmy Seed.0 -
All this talk focusing on attacking exciting football which is what Thomas wants. But we also need to defend which is the basis of a good strong team. Are we to see our first game result winning 4-0 or losing 4-5
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Sometimes we may think certain aspects of a players game is not a strength but when he plays with different players it becomes less evident. A premier league passer may have to change his game in League One as a pinged pass may not be controlled by the recipient at a lower level. A visionary ball requires the runners. I have noticed in recent times how we are not great at finding space to make a pass easy and we don't win enough second balls. If this can be addressed we ought to see a major improvement.1
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Now it's been confirmed I'm still hoping for the "he's got no hair but we don't care" revival, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.swordfish said:
Well I tried my best! What did you expect .... from a fish! 🐟seth plum said:To the tune of Lee Lee Lee Bow-yer it will be Ben Ben Ben Gar-ner which will be a bit of a low in creativity.
If the fans want the manager to up our game, then Garner has the right to expect the fans to up their game in chants.
I'm looking at BeeGee songs for inspiration now because of his initials, but I think another club uses 'Islands in the Stream', so that's out.
There's always 2Unlimited's, 'There's no Limit' to fall back on.
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Ben BenBen Ben Ben BenBen Ben Ben BenBen Ben Ben, Ben Garner!
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Welcome to the madhouse Ben.
Now the soap opera of the appointment is over how nice is it to look forward to the chit chat, transfer rumours and my Newport County supporting mate says he's mustard/rubbish of the summer.
We've got some catching up to do.0 -
Yes I saw your earlier effort which was actually very good. Was it a bit complex though?swordfish said:
Well I tried my best! What did you expect .... from a fish! 🐟seth plum said:To the tune of Lee Lee Lee Bow-yer it will be Ben Ben Ben Gar-ner which will be a bit of a low in creativity.
If the fans want the manager to up our game, then Garner has the right to expect the fans to up their game in chants.
I'm looking at BeeGee songs for inspiration now because of his initials, but I think another club uses 'Islands in the Stream', so that's out.
There's always 2Unlimited's, 'There's no Limit' to fall back on.
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Ben BenBen Ben Ben BenBen Ben Ben BenBen Ben Ben, Ben Garner!
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This ‘no limit’ one is good.
Fish or not you ought to be a founder member of the chants ideas lab.1 -
The problem here is ‘Ben Garner’ does not really scan like ‘Stevie Gritt’.aliwibble said:
Now it's been confirmed I'm still hoping for the "he's got no hair but we don't care" revival, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.swordfish said:
Well I tried my best! What did you expect .... from a fish! 🐟seth plum said:To the tune of Lee Lee Lee Bow-yer it will be Ben Ben Ben Gar-ner which will be a bit of a low in creativity.
If the fans want the manager to up our game, then Garner has the right to expect the fans to up their game in chants.
I'm looking at BeeGee songs for inspiration now because of his initials, but I think another club uses 'Islands in the Stream', so that's out.
There's always 2Unlimited's, 'There's no Limit' to fall back on.
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Ben BenBen Ben Ben BenBen Ben Ben BenBen Ben Ben, Ben Garner!
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Either way, welcome to the chants ideas lab.1
