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  • CAFCTrev
    CAFCTrev Posts: 5,977
    balham red said:
    CAFCTrev said:
    I thought Raelynn said Garner wasnt happening?
    Not what she said at all though is it?
    Oh I applied a twitter filter to it. 
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,219
    edited June 2022
    CAFCTrev said:
    I thought Raelynn said Garner wasnt happening?
    No, she never said that.

    She said that what Cawley said was not correct.

    She never said Garner wasn't happening or that what Cawley said was a lie or untrue or false.

    some people inferred that. 

    Others inferred that some but not all of what Cawley was correct and some  was incorrect ie that a two year deal had not been done as it was possible that the three year deal hadn't, at that point, been done although it was close to being done.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Raelynn Maloney is a tease
    Despite being Thomas's Squeeze
    As long as we are winning
    Let's forget about the sinning.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Redrobo said:
    seth plum said:
    I saw that and thought about the final say thing.
    If Martin Sandgaard says ‘you can sign such and such a player that I recommend if you like, but you have the final say, and if you say no…then you can’t sign anybody and will have to make do’ what happens then?
    You do know that they are all adults?

    I can’t believe you are making up scenarios to try and have a pop. They all have an interest in making us successful.
    I am making up scenarios that could happen, not in order to have a pop.
    I refer you to the Ronnie Schwartz episode.
  • Vincenzo
    Vincenzo Posts: 2,911
    Swisdom said:
    CAFCTrev said:
    I thought Raelynn said Garner wasnt happening?
    BORING!

    She said he hadn't signed a two year deal.  Because, and wait for the kicker.......he hadn't!

    It's quite simple
    It is. Lots of people on Twitter celebrating the manager signing by having a pop at Dr Raelynn, even though she was quite correct. People are weird.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    killerandflash said:
    Ben Garner, whoah
    Ben Garner, whoah
    He comes from Pembury
    And plays football progressively

     ;) 
    Can we have a songs thread?
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254
    thenewbie said:
    charltonbob said:
    Gribbo said:
    charltonbob said:
    Gribis hebo said:
    FAVADDICK said:
    The Red Robin said:
    https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/are-swindon-town-coaches-set-to-join-ben-garner-at-charlton-athletic-addicks-owner-thomas-sandgaard-responds/

    Sandgaard on Garner’s coaches joining.
    They should be here now with Ben to be honest, why wait 
    Garner's obviously happy with how things are. 
    Is he ? 
    Just going by the fact he's just signed a 3 year contract, I'd say he was happy. Maybe you know a fact that says he ain't happy, 48 hours into it??
    See this ? It's a question mark. I don't need to produce a fact when I'm asking a question.
    Yes it's a question. It's just a stupid question.
    Oh dear such a hurtful comment, you've ruined my day. Ok back to school now.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    Vincenzo said:
    Swisdom said:
    CAFCTrev said:
    I thought Raelynn said Garner wasnt happening?
    BORING!

    She said he hadn't signed a two year deal.  Because, and wait for the kicker.......he hadn't!

    It's quite simple
    It is. Lots of people on Twitter celebrating the manager signing by having a pop at Dr Raelynn, even though she was quite correct. People are weird.
    Charlton Twitter has become a nasty place. Anger and hatred all over the shop. 
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,127
    I'm puzzled by those that are excited that Charlton might establish an identity.
    We've always had an identity, we are "plucky little Charlton".
    That's why we never bring in winners obnoxious thugs, maverick game changers or masters of shithousery etc.
    I remember in our Third Division promotion season of 1974/75 we supplemented our squad with the purchase of Millwall legend Harry Cripps .
    I've never got over the shock, it was so stark in it's wrongness.
    It was like Charles Hawtrey inviting the Kray twins to tea.
    (Mind you we also brought in Charles Hawtrey as part of the deal, although he was calling himself Eamonn Dunphy by then.)
    "Passive Demise" should be our motto. What is the latin for that?  ;)

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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,303
    JamesSeed said:
    Vincenzo said:
    Swisdom said:
    CAFCTrev said:
    I thought Raelynn said Garner wasnt happening?
    BORING!

    She said he hadn't signed a two year deal.  Because, and wait for the kicker.......he hadn't!

    It's quite simple
    It is. Lots of people on Twitter celebrating the manager signing by having a pop at Dr Raelynn, even though she was quite correct. People are weird.
    Twitter has become a nasty place. Anger and hatred all over the shop. 
  • sholland
    sholland Posts: 484
    My theory with the Cawley tweet is he was told Garner wanted 5 year contract and he was offered 2 years less than that. 

    He is just really crap at maths. 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Billy_Mix said:
    I'm looking forward to attacking football and goal mouth action, I really am, who wouldn't?
    But isn't this constant insistence on it being the only way to play and win all a bit one - eyed and dogmatic?
    There's another team on the pitch, they're allowed to compete, they'll each provide their own challenges.
    The whole management/ownership/recruitment team are singing from the same hymn sheet but it's Sandgaard's hymn sheet, innit?
    Sandgaard's derision of "the high balls to the big bloke" is troubling - There's always a time and place for that, that's why it's so popular and effective.
    Steve Gallen's a decent and knowledgeable chap but I'm concerned by his revelation that Martin S was in on all the manager interviews.  Doing what?  What does he bring?  Was he just Thomas's eyes and ears on the day, taking notes?
    Garner's credentials look fine to me, let's hope he has the players, time, players, space and players to succeed here at Charlton.  

    Watch this, Russell Martin gives a different perspective on managers not having a “plan B” and “typical Brits” wanting long balls up to a big man when plan A isn’t working.
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,350
    Slap head in place - check
    Agonising wait for signings... - AAAARRRRGGH!
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,651
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Scoham said:
    Billy_Mix said:
    I'm looking forward to attacking football and goal mouth action, I really am, who wouldn't?
    But isn't this constant insistence on it being the only way to play and win all a bit one - eyed and dogmatic?
    There's another team on the pitch, they're allowed to compete, they'll each provide their own challenges.
    The whole management/ownership/recruitment team are singing from the same hymn sheet but it's Sandgaard's hymn sheet, innit?
    Sandgaard's derision of "the high balls to the big bloke" is troubling - There's always a time and place for that, that's why it's so popular and effective.
    Steve Gallen's a decent and knowledgeable chap but I'm concerned by his revelation that Martin S was in on all the manager interviews.  Doing what?  What does he bring?  Was he just Thomas's eyes and ears on the day, taking notes?
    Garner's credentials look fine to me, let's hope he has the players, time, players, space and players to succeed here at Charlton.  

    Watch this, Russell Martin gives a different perspective on managers not having a “plan B” and “typical Brits” wanting long balls up to a big man when plan A isn’t working.
    I am really not worried about a plan B. 

    Not many teams have a Chuks.
    Not many teams have a 'Chuks' including us during his considerable injury lay offs.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,007
    Braziliance said:
    We have some right tits for fans on social media, Twitter in particular. 

    Loads of posts about ‘cheap option’ when we paid compensation to get him and have heard he was the prime candidate. The cheap option would have been Euell or a manager out of work. Who else did these people expect? Sean Dyche?

    We have to be one of the most entitled fan bases surely 
    I think that's just social media full stop. Twitter can be good for info, but in general is an absolute cesspit.

    Every club has them, i've even seen City and Liverpool fans moaning about Pep and Klopp after a defeat.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,559
    Crusty54 said:
    CAFCTrev said:
    I thought Raelynn said Garner wasnt happening?
    No. She said it hadn't been agreed at that time which turns out to be true. The Steve Gallen interview explains a lot.
    all semantics though. TS said yesterday that Garner had agreed to join two weeks ago but it's been with the lawyers since. Raelynn denied anyone had been appointed. Better off saying nothing. She must think we are all stupid.
  • paulfox
    paulfox Posts: 2,356
    LargeAddick said:
    Crusty54 said:
    CAFCTrev said:
    I thought Raelynn said Garner wasnt happening?
    No. She said it hadn't been agreed at that time which turns out to be true. The Steve Gallen interview explains a lot.
    all semantics though. TS said yesterday that Garner had agreed to join two weeks ago but it's been with the lawyers since. Raelynn denied anyone had been appointed. Better off saying nothing. She must think we are all stupid.
    Seriously though ffs!!!  So what!!!!!
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  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    ForeverAddickted said:
    JamesSeed said:
    Vincenzo said:
    Swisdom said:
    CAFCTrev said:
    I thought Raelynn said Garner wasnt happening?
    BORING!

    She said he hadn't signed a two year deal.  Because, and wait for the kicker.......he hadn't!

    It's quite simple
    It is. Lots of people on Twitter celebrating the manager signing by having a pop at Dr Raelynn, even though she was quite correct. People are weird.
    Twitter has become a nasty place. Anger and hatred all over the shop. 
    Was that like a retweet? 👍
    It’s not just the anti Sandgaard vitriol, but there’s also a lot of political grooming going on, conspiracy theories being spread etc. It’s quite sinister. 
  • fenlandaddick
    fenlandaddick Posts: 1,768
    After watching the interview, Ben comes across extremely well. Hope their time in Spain helps build a real unity in the squad. New season is not far away, but until then time to enjoy the British Summer 😉
  • balham red
    balham red Posts: 1,278
    LargeAddick said:
    Crusty54 said:
    CAFCTrev said:
    I thought Raelynn said Garner wasnt happening?
    No. She said it hadn't been agreed at that time which turns out to be true. The Steve Gallen interview explains a lot.
    all semantics though. TS said yesterday that Garner had agreed to join two weeks ago but it's been with the lawyers since. Raelynn denied anyone had been appointed. Better off saying nothing. She must think we are all stupid.
    He also said they were keeping a couple of other managers "warm" while the final details with Garner were being negotiated. Hence why news getting out Garner was confirmed would have poured ice on the warm backup plans.

    Or you would rather we had no backup manager in case Garner did a U turn last minute and joined a different club?
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,353
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Braziliance said:
    We have some right tits for fans on social media, Twitter in particular. 

    Loads of posts about ‘cheap option’ when we paid compensation to get him and have heard he was the prime candidate. The cheap option would have been Euell or a manager out of work. Who else did these people expect? Sean Dyche?

    We have to be one of the most entitled fan bases surely 
    I think that's just social media full stop. Twitter can be good for info, but in general is an absolute cesspit.

    Every club has them, i've even seen City and Liverpool fans moaning about Pep and Klopp after a defeat.
    Agreed but those are two massive clubs with huge social media presence, no suspense to see a few fairweather fans give it a bit

    considering how we fair as a club size in comparison we seem to have far too many toxic fans on social media for how many of us there are 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,559
    balham red said:
    LargeAddick said:
    Crusty54 said:
    CAFCTrev said:
    I thought Raelynn said Garner wasnt happening?
    No. She said it hadn't been agreed at that time which turns out to be true. The Steve Gallen interview explains a lot.
    all semantics though. TS said yesterday that Garner had agreed to join two weeks ago but it's been with the lawyers since. Raelynn denied anyone had been appointed. Better off saying nothing. She must think we are all stupid.
    He also said they were keeping a couple of other managers "warm" while the final details with Garner were being negotiated. Hence why news getting out Garner was confirmed would have poured ice on the warm backup plans.

    Or you would rather we had no backup manager in case Garner did a U turn last minute and joined a different club?
    of course not but they should have just kept quiet and neither confirm or deny anything until you make an announcement. 
  • Arthur_Trudgill
    Arthur_Trudgill Posts: 464
    Scoham said:
    Billy_Mix said:
    I'm looking forward to attacking football and goal mouth action, I really am, who wouldn't?
    But isn't this constant insistence on it being the only way to play and win all a bit one - eyed and dogmatic?
    There's another team on the pitch, they're allowed to compete, they'll each provide their own challenges.
    The whole management/ownership/recruitment team are singing from the same hymn sheet but it's Sandgaard's hymn sheet, innit?
    Sandgaard's derision of "the high balls to the big bloke" is troubling - There's always a time and place for that, that's why it's so popular and effective.
    Steve Gallen's a decent and knowledgeable chap but I'm concerned by his revelation that Martin S was in on all the manager interviews.  Doing what?  What does he bring?  Was he just Thomas's eyes and ears on the day, taking notes?
    Garner's credentials look fine to me, let's hope he has the players, time, players, space and players to succeed here at Charlton.  

    Watch this, Russell Martin gives a different perspective on managers not having a “plan B” and “typical Brits” wanting long balls up to a big man when plan A isn’t working.
    Very happy with Garner, but I don't want to get too carried away, so ...
    If we don't play 'attractive, attacking football', what are the the alternatives? 
    From my limited tactics knowledge, they are:

    - Long ball to a tall forward: good if you have Crouch
    - Tiki-Taka: good if you have Iniesta
    - Lie deep and counter: good if you are Italy
    - Total football: good if you are the Netherlands in the old days

    What else?
    My point is, you have to adapt and if the opposition knows 100% what you are going to do, they can prepare for that, so flexibility surely should be part of Garner/TS's plans.
  • reserves
    reserves Posts: 795
    Don't know if this has been posted, but a great insight into Ben Garner from 2021.

    Talks about:

    Clubs having a clear playing philosophy from ground up
    Clubs using data to sign players becoming more and more prevalent (he brought a external team in for this at Bristol)

    He's been very consistent, doesn't seem like he changed his beliefs to fit Charlton, seems that the fit was quite a natural one and I can see why Charlton went for him

  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    edited June 2022
    Arthur_Trudgill said:
    Scoham said:
    Billy_Mix said:
    I'm looking forward to attacking football and goal mouth action, I really am, who wouldn't?
    But isn't this constant insistence on it being the only way to play and win all a bit one - eyed and dogmatic?
    There's another team on the pitch, they're allowed to compete, they'll each provide their own challenges.
    The whole management/ownership/recruitment team are singing from the same hymn sheet but it's Sandgaard's hymn sheet, innit?
    Sandgaard's derision of "the high balls to the big bloke" is troubling - There's always a time and place for that, that's why it's so popular and effective.
    Steve Gallen's a decent and knowledgeable chap but I'm concerned by his revelation that Martin S was in on all the manager interviews.  Doing what?  What does he bring?  Was he just Thomas's eyes and ears on the day, taking notes?
    Garner's credentials look fine to me, let's hope he has the players, time, players, space and players to succeed here at Charlton.  

    Watch this, Russell Martin gives a different perspective on managers not having a “plan B” and “typical Brits” wanting long balls up to a big man when plan A isn’t working.
    Very happy with Garner, but I don't want to get too carried away, so ...
    If we don't play 'attractive, attacking football', what are the the alternatives? 
    From my limited tactics knowledge, they are:

    - Long ball to a tall forward: good if you have Crouch
    - Tiki-Taka: good if you have Iniesta
    - Lie deep and counter: good if you are Italy
    - Total football: good if you are the Netherlands in the old days

    What else?
    My point is, you have to adapt and if the opposition knows 100% what you are going to do, they can prepare for that, so flexibility surely should be part of Garner/TS's plans.
    I agree, but if we know that, don’t you think he does?

    In that 90 minute chat he talks about giving players the back up plans in training so they know exactly what to do in certain circumstances and practice them in training.

    If you haven’t watched it is worth watching.
  • PratleyArmy
    PratleyArmy Posts: 5
    Seems like a decent appointment for you guys.

    Sounds like he's cut from the same cloth as Ian Evatt for us, likes to be on the front foot and keep a lot of possession but maybe some defensive frailties too.

    Step in the right direction however, but patience is required as is the cliché. Instilling the possession style, with a bunch of players who you maybe feel aren't the right profile for that type of football won't be easy and he'll need backing in the transfer market.

    I was a bit concerned for you lot after this season but I think getting rid of JJ and bringing in BG could prove to be a shrewd move. Be prepared to have your heart in your mouth playing out from the back and patient build up which brings cries of "GERRIT IN THE BOX", when you're 1-0 down.
  • thickandthin63
    thickandthin63 Posts: 2,952
    Flexibility in the case of things maybe not going so well in a certain match is essential,but the idea is,get so good at what you are doing and no matter how the opposition counters that ,carry on you will prevail.Everybody knows how Man City, and Liverpool play,few have been able to do anything about it.I do think we have the spine of a good side,Lavelle,Dobson Stockley,
    are as good as anyone in this division,throw in Fraser,Blackett Taylor,Chucks ,get DJ and Kirk firing,utilise Clare as a utility man and that could be the basis of a good side.

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