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5 subs in EFL?

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  • Starters and Finishers? 

    Squads of 45 with Rolling Substitutes?

    Imagine a marathon or triathlon race with substitutions permitted. Or a tennis match for that matter. It becomes pointless.

    The whole idea of football is that you assume you must play for 90 minutes and pace yourself so you don't get tired. 

    Hate the whole idea but I'm sure the game will survive.

    The big change will be when heading is not permitted ! 
  • I think 4 subs would've been a decent compromise. 5 was brought in because of a condensed, shorter season due to covid, what's the reason now?

    Personally i think 5 is too many, especially if they also keep the 'extra sub in extra time' for cup games rule, as it means you can then change more than half your team.

    Will definitely benefit the bigger clubs though, as they can then rotate and keep more squad players happy.
  • We already see three substitutes used one at a time as a means to waste time or slow down the pace the game, having five makes that legitimate tactic a very negative and boring process.

  • Is football the only team sport with such few substitutions? 


    Rugby has 8.
    Basketball, American Football and Baseball have an unlimited number. 
    Hockey and Ice Hockey have unlimited too. 
  • We already see three substitutes used one at a time as a means to waste time or slow down the pace the game, having five makes that legitimate tactic a very negative and boring process.

    The 5 subs can only be made at 3 intervals/stoppages though, so technically that hasn't changed from when teams could only make 3 subs.
  • The 5 subs can only be made at 3 intervals/stoppages though, so technically that hasn't changed from when teams could only make 3 subs.
    Oh…..I didn’t realise that, thanks for the info CfS.
  • I hate all the subs in rugby, it's created a culture where forwards automatically go off after 60 minutes

    And not good for injuries too, as those players on the pitch get battered by fresh bodies
  • Then ball is in play for 60 odd minutes now, and the players aren’t exactly standing around doing nothing in those other 30 minutes.

    player welfare is important, I know there are a few on here who think they should just suck up injuries and mental health problems, but I’d far rather they had the opportunity of the best players being available more of the time
  • Is football the only team sport with such few substitutions? 


    Rugby has 8.
    Basketball, American Football and Baseball have an unlimited number. 
    Hockey and Ice Hockey have unlimited too. 
    Cricket? Why not have 11 batters and 11 fielders. Much more fun!

    Football is also one of the few team games where you can't touch the ball with your hands!  May be it's worth trying that out. Seems to work in American football.
  • Cricket? Why not have 11 batters and 11 fielders. Much more fun!

    Football is also one of the few team games where you can't touch the ball with your hands!  May be it's worth trying that out. Seems to work in American football.
    Thankfully cricket has avoided the sub route, having occasionally tried this out, and quickly changed their minds. The all rounder would be rendered a bit pointless really if you could pick speciality batsmen and bowlers/fielders, and sub them in and out.
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  • In play 60 minutes.  The last survey I saw was more like 30 . 

    An old article but way more than 30 minutes.

    https://talksport.com/football/315919/average-ball-play-time-each-premier-league-side-201718-season-171127263506/
  • We already see three substitutes used one at a time as a means to waste time or slow down the pace the game, having five makes that legitimate tactic a very negative and boring process.

    FA should introduce time limits in making subs. Player must run off the pitch and the change should take no more than say 45 seconds or a yellow card, unless legit injury is involved. Easy rule change and stop a lot of the antics. 
  • The ball spends more time out of play than it does in play. How come they are so knackered. I bet the ball is in play for 35 mins max and thatbincludes keepers wasting time from the 2nd minute on. The ba barely stays in play 15 seconds from ko before it goes out off after kick off. 
    Everyone in a real job spend 10 hours a day including travel. What a joke. 
    Are you seriously comparing the effects on the body of professional football to Dave who spends 8 hours at a desk and 2 sat on a train?
  • The ball spends more time out of play than it does in play. How come they are so knackered. I bet the ball is in play for 35 mins max and thatbincludes keepers wasting time from the 2nd minute on. The ba barely stays in play 15 seconds from ko before it goes out off after kick off. 
    Everyone in a real job spend 10 hours a day including travel. What a joke. 
    Players travel to games, that’s not a realistic comparison.

    during a 7 to 8 hr working day, how much time is lost to go to the toilet, make a hot drink, chatting to the guy next to you, flirt with the office junior, looking at WhatsApp desktop or other websites?

    proactive time is what, 5 hours?

    maybe companies should implement a new rule, 8 hours at your desk, all time spent away from a desk is added on as stoppage time at the end of the day.
  • It had to happen given it was introduced in the leagues above. It SHOULD suit us in League One and it does represent an opportunity to blood youngsters e.g. when you are comfortable in a game. I am not opposed.
  • In our players marks thread will we have to make changes? As in give everybody who appears a mark, but those that appear for less than half an hour get ‘second class’ marks?
    It would reward habitual impact substitutes like possibly Aneke.
  • seth plum said:
    In our players marks thread will we have to make changes? As in give everybody who appears a mark, but those that appear for less than half an hour get ‘second class’ marks?
    It would reward habitual impact substitutes like possibly Aneke.
    Last season a number of players who started a match and played the full game were awarded 'second class' marks.

    And that was being incredibly generous.
  • Are you seriously comparing the effects on the body of professional football to Dave who spends 8 hours at a desk and 2 sat on a train?
    No, he's  just trolling for attention as usual 
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  • Not really a fan of this change. Football matches usually get better as they open up later on in the game with tired legs meaning more mistakes. Don’t think it’s needed in league 1 with fixtures probably going to be spread out more this season with starting season early and not stopping for the World Cup I’m expecting less Saturday - Tuesday weeks 
  • It will probably suit us though, especially if we are going to be a pressing side then being able to make 5 subs could come in handy
  • been well discussed .. a bad idea i m, o, it will change the whole structure of a game, but we are stuck with it
  • NabySarr said:
    It will probably suit us though, especially if we are going to be a pressing side then being able to make 5 subs could come in handy
    Increases the chances of getting Glassman Aneke on the pitch for an aggregate 20 minutes per week.
  • Will impact on squad sizes.
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    I think that's exciting, fresher legs towards end of games and will suit our pressing style 
  • I think it'll change further. The only way to ensure clubs remove players who may have concussion is to ensure they are not disadvantaged by doing so. The only way to achieve that without the risk of cheating (like in blood-gate in the rugby) will be to allow all subs to be used, and players taken off to re-enter the game if there are no subs remaining.
  • I think we should just go back to 1 sub. 😄
  • It's suits us when we have a player in Chuks who's ideally suited to be a 30 minute sub, but I don't like it. Rugby to me hasn't been improved by allowing large numbers of subs, forwards are conditioned to just play 60 minutes, and tired players are now suffering massive hits from fresh players.
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